Probationaries getting fired today

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Anonymous wrote:Long term looking out 20-50 years firing everyone hired in 2023 and 2024 and if no new hires occur in 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028 solves down the road a big part of huge pension liability cliff coming down the road.

That’s not at all how this works. The civil service pensions are covered by a fund that each worker adds to while they are working. At the moment, the pension fund is well funded and increasing because of the higher deductions from recent hires, so if anything, the elimination of federal workers will cause a pension liability problem today, not in the future.

Even better let it collapse.

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Anonymous wrote:So, Musk is going after the "low hanging fruit" with firing probationary employees and term limited appointments. But, when it comes to career and SES positions, management IS required to use RIFs/VERA programs, right?

They can't just "fire" all the career/SES people on the spot and tell them to leave at 3pm like they did to the probationary people????

Are you sure? Lots of career civil servants have been fired in the past few weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:So, Musk is going after the "low hanging fruit" with firing probationary employees and term limited appointments. But, when it comes to career and SES positions, management IS required to use RIFs/VERA programs, right?

They can't just "fire" all the career/SES people on the spot and tell them to leave at 3pm like they did to the probationary people????

They aren't supposed to, but who knows what these people will try to do.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s the largest layoff in US history - could affect 200,000 employees. The largest to this point was IBM in the 90s that affected around 60,000 people.

That’s alot of people. My dad was impacted by those IBM layoffs. He never really recovered.

I wonder how this will impact local unemployment offices, do they have the funding and resources in place right now to support so many people being let go at one time??

200,000 is the total number of probationaries across the whole government, but there appear to be a lot so agencies exempt. All of DoD appears to be exempt and that probably half of them right there. I’m sure a lot is DHS is exempt and that’s likely another 20% or more. Lots of new people at BP, ICE, and TSA since they’ve been non hiring surges the last couple years.

I'd like this to be true, but do you have any solid information/links to back this up?

I'd like it to be true also but this is in the WSJ today.

"And some Republican lawmakers—and Trump administration officials—have indicated they didn’t want to see wholesale cuts of weapons systems or personnel. One place where there could be a target of cuts is at headquarters units, particularly at the Pentagon. The potential for layoffs at the Pentagon, whose hallways feature large posters with messages like “Loose lips sink ships,” has sparked trepidation about DOGE’s arrival among some in the building. "

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/doge-department-of-defense-budget-cuts-prepares-0f7073fa?st=Ek3H3m&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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Anonymous wrote:3000 at NIH today.

Source? I heard 5200 across HHS, with NIH less impacted than other OpDivs.

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Anonymous wrote:Long term looking out 20-50 years firing everyone hired in 2023 and 2024 and if no new hires occur in 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028 solves down the road a big part of huge pension liability cliff coming down the road.

That’s not at all how this works. The civil service pensions are covered by a fund that each worker adds to while they are working. At the moment, the pension fund is well funded and increasing because of the higher deductions from recent hires, so if anything, the elimination of federal workers will cause a pension liability problem today, not in the future.

Even better let it collapse.

May not be a good idea… borrowing against these deposits is a large part of how we soften the debt ceiling deadlines.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard secondhand that attorneys in the probationary period are exempt from the cuts. Is that correct?

No, only at certain agencies. SEC is the only one I heard this about and even am not sure that’s confirmed. CFPB just fired a ton of newer attorneys earlier this week.

So did DOE.

State Department attorneys were told they were exempt.

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Anonymous wrote:So, Musk is going after the "low hanging fruit" with firing probationary employees and term limited appointments. But, when it comes to career and SES positions, management IS required to use RIFs/VERA programs, right?

They can't just "fire" all the career/SES people on the spot and tell them to leave at 3pm like they did to the probationary people????

They aren't supposed to, but who knows what these people will try to do.

They will schedule F people and then fire without the protections.

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Anonymous wrote:So, Musk is going after the "low hanging fruit" with firing probationary employees and term limited appointments. But, when it comes to career and SES positions, management IS required to use RIFs/VERA programs, right?

They can't just "fire" all the career/SES people on the spot and tell them to leave at 3pm like they did to the probationary people????

They aren't supposed to, but who knows what these people will try to do.

They will schedule F people and then fire without the protections.

Oh right. I asked the question, but forgot about the schedule F stuff. That's the real kryptonite.

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Also, federal employees aren’t eligible for unemployment insurance, are they?

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Anonymous wrote:My 40-year-old DH got layoff from the Dept. of VA as a doctor, and he joined the VA less than a year ago. He attended Yale pre-med, Johns Hopkins for medical school, and many years for his medical specialty. He spent three years volunteering for Doctors without Borders. He could have made a lot of money in the private sector, but he chose to work for the VA because he loved this country, and wanted to give back what it had given him as an immigrant from Vietnam. What the Trump administration is doing right now is nothing short of criminal.

I thought medical was exempt?

Nope. they just fired 1k from VA. https://news.va.gov/press-room/va-dismisses-more-than-1000-employees/

MDs are mission critical and exempt so this doesnt make sense unless this person was hired for admin work

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Anonymous wrote:Also, federal employees aren’t eligible for unemployment insurance, are they?

Yes they are but not if they're also collecting severance. Depending on the state, they can collect unemployment after their severance is depleted.

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Anonymous wrote:3000 at NIH today.

Source? I heard 5200 across HHS, with NIH less impacted than other OpDivs.

Reddit Fednews.

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Anonymous wrote:Long term looking out 20-50 years firing everyone hired in 2023 and 2024 and if no new hires occur in 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028 solves down the road a big part of huge pension liability cliff coming down the road.

That’s not at all how this works. The civil service pensions are covered by a fund that each worker adds to while they are working. At the moment, the pension fund is well funded and increasing because of the higher deductions from recent hires, so if anything, the elimination of federal workers will cause a pension liability problem today, not in the future.

Even better let it collapse.

Sure, you throw your retirement into the fire first, then I'll do it.

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Anyone hear anything from the IC? Hoping all agencies were spared.