So ECNL announcements are leaking out

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Anonymous wrote:All the move does for Loudoun and McLean is weaken the current NVA and FVU teams...you will end up with 2 weak GA teams (the good players on current will stay ECNL and the fringe players will have opportunity to play on the 2 new GA teams).

I'm talking strictly on girls side.

The GA teams in this area are very weak...the ECNL teams in this area are strong.

Loudoun GA and McLean GA will be weak GA teams, wait until you see the final rosters...I'm all for a little disruption, but the good, impact players will find new homes at VDA, Arlington, possibly Bethesda...will be interesting also to see who the "new" coached will be for the 4 teams.

That's interesting. I thought NVA would go to GA. But if Loudoun goes to GA, then we will have more "elite" soccer teams. So everything in VA becomes more diluted.

I couldn't imagine a scenario where Loudoun goes to GA and NVA just remains in ECNL, especially based on how they use their facilities and all of that. IF Loudoun Soccer goes GA, it would be NVA moving to GA or the 'Alliance' would dissolve and it will be LS as GA. All of this lines up especially with the rumors of Mclean moving to GA as well. That dissolves the alliances for Loudoun and Mclean, Union could remain and absorb GFR as another partner since NVA will be done with. This makes a lot more sense when you look at all the parts that would be moving.

NVA = Dissolved, Loudoun Soccer will be standalone as GA/MLSN
Union = New alliance would be BRYC/VYS/GFR following departure of Mclean
Mclean = GA/MLSN

This is exactly what I said days ago lol! And this is exactly what’s happening….

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. Now imagine the girls side getting automatic invite to Generation Adidas Cup.. playing against academies around the world.

Why would they want to? Goal of soccer on the girl's side is college. I don't see how this would help.

That was the original goal with ECNL but that is not the goal with GA. And with the GA-blessing-by-US-Soccer and the MLSN clubs affiliating with GA, GA will be positioned as the NWSL/pro pathway, because folks think GA will mirror the MLSN-to-pro/MLS pathway.

I am glad it is not GA's goal because they suck at it.

Their is no pathway --- there is a loose alliance that means zero today at least. It is what people enter into to see if there might be something to do in the future. The PP who said 3-8 years is right. And if they wanted to build something the alliance would be with NWSL not MSL.

Did anyone tell NWSL about this pathway? The girls that go play pro now come from ECNL? NWSL is not going to enter into anything that changes that over the next several years. They do not have the money to do that. If NWSL did do anything it would be an arrangement with ECNL.

The key on the girl's side is college. Going pro is less than 1% of the girls. Most would not want it in any event. Certainly not on the UMC/UC teams in this area. Look at where people are going -- Ivies, Vandy, G'Town, even the high academic D3s. Pro is not a priority except for a small few.

If you listen to what people are saying on here they would be building a pathway for 40 girls a year to the exclusion of the rest.

Do you actually know any college-bound or college soccer players?

It may not be realistic, but I don't know any who'd say they'd turn down a professional opportunity.

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2) Is GA then all ready oversaturated in the DMV market going from one badge to five in two years?

In general there is oversaturation of "elite" clubs because of the presence of both GA and ECNL.
MLSN is making it worse with MLSN2
So instead of ECNL-G and ECNL B there is now
ECNL-G and GA
MLSN and ECNL-B
ECNL-RL and MLSN2/GA2

For now local teams will compete on national level in GA but with the rapid expansion soon they won't be able to do so any longer.
And on the boys side not even the Samba Boyz will be relevant any longer nationally.

Agreed that this is diluting the talent pool further. Also note that of the 32 2011 girls invited to the regional US soccer talent ID center today only six are from GA clubs. None are from SYC or TSJ. The top ECNL girls from NVA and FVU should try to make it onto the remainingECNL clubs instead of go GA.

How could SYC not have a single 2009/2010/2011 training center invitation? The self proclaimed best girls club in virginia!

You do realize these "invites" are largely through connections. Big clubs are given an allocation and the club decides who they want to reward with an invite. Talent is only a small piece of it.

[Anonymous]

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2) Is GA then all ready oversaturated in the DMV market going from one badge to five in two years?

In general there is oversaturation of "elite" clubs because of the presence of both GA and ECNL.
MLSN is making it worse with MLSN2
So instead of ECNL-G and ECNL B there is now
ECNL-G and GA
MLSN and ECNL-B
ECNL-RL and MLSN2/GA2

For now local teams will compete on national level in GA but with the rapid expansion soon they won't be able to do so any longer.
And on the boys side not even the Samba Boyz will be relevant any longer nationally.

Agreed that this is diluting the talent pool further. Also note that of the 32 2011 girls invited to the regional US soccer talent ID center today only six are from GA clubs. None are from SYC or TSJ. The top ECNL girls from NVA and FVU should try to make it onto the remainingECNL clubs instead of go GA.

Agree but I think you’re missing the small part where FVU still exists. They will get girls from NVA too just based on proximity….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yup. Now imagine the girls side getting automatic invite to Generation Adidas Cup.. playing against academies around the world.

Why would they want to? Goal of soccer on the girl's side is college. I don't see how this would help.

That was the original goal with ECNL but that is not the goal with GA. And with the GA-blessing-by-US-Soccer and the MLSN clubs affiliating with GA, GA will be positioned as the NWSL/pro pathway, because folks think GA will mirror the MLSN-to-pro/MLS pathway.

I am glad it is not GA's goal because they suck at it.

Their is no pathway --- there is a loose alliance that means zero today at least. It is what people enter into to see if there might be something to do in the future. The PP who said 3-8 years is right. And if they wanted to build something the alliance would be with NWSL not MSL.

Did anyone tell NWSL about this pathway? The girls that go play pro now come from ECNL? NWSL is not going to enter into anything that changes that over the next several years. They do not have the money to do that. If NWSL did do anything it would be an arrangement with ECNL.

The key on the girl's side is college. Going pro is less than 1% of the girls. Most would not want it in any event. Certainly not on the UMC/UC teams in this area. Look at where people are going -- Ivies, Vandy, G'Town, even the high academic D3s. Pro is not a priority except for a small few.

If you listen to what people are saying on here they would be building a pathway for 40 girls a year to the exclusion of the rest.

Sorry let me clarify--they are creating the illusion of a pathway. You know, for the $$$$ ppl will pay for the badges.

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We need a list of ECNL girls that have MLSN boys programs associated nationwide to see if there could really be a sea change. IF MLSN says all new entrants to the platform must be girls GA or GA2, that could be meaningful. MLSN has the biggest stick of all platforms, boys or girls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need a list of ECNL girls that have MLSN boys programs associated nationwide to see if there could really be a sea change. IF MLSN says all new entrants to the platform must be girls GA or GA2, that could be meaningful. MLSN has the biggest stick of all platforms, boys or girls.

That list would be interesting. However, I don't see MLS demanding that. Now if MLS has an ownership stake in GA I could. It is only a loose marketing partnership. To me it is similar to believing MLS would require all players in it subscribe to Apple+ if they want to play.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2) Is GA then all ready oversaturated in the DMV market going from one badge to five in two years?

In general there is oversaturation of "elite" clubs because of the presence of both GA and ECNL.
MLSN is making it worse with MLSN2
So instead of ECNL-G and ECNL B there is now
ECNL-G and GA
MLSN and ECNL-B
ECNL-RL and MLSN2/GA2

For now local teams will compete on national level in GA but with the rapid expansion soon they won't be able to do so any longer.
And on the boys side not even the Samba Boyz will be relevant any longer nationally.

Agreed that this is diluting the talent pool further. Also note that of the 32 2011 girls invited to the regional US soccer talent ID center today only six are from GA clubs. None are from SYC or TSJ. The top ECNL girls from NVA and FVU should try to make it onto the remainingECNL clubs instead of go GA.

How could SYC not have a single 2009/2010/2011 training center invitation? The self proclaimed best girls club in virginia!

You do realize these "invites" are largely through connections. Big clubs are given an allocation and the club decides who they want to reward with an invite. Talent is only a small piece of it.

VAR and Coppermine have invites. Wipe your tears, SYC hat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So lets assume the rumor of McLean and Loudoun going to GA is true.

1) is this national shift towards GA or is it just a localized DMV shift as a result of those two legacy clubs being crapped on by ECNL and forced into "alliances"?

2) Is GA then all ready oversaturated in the DMV market going from one badge to five in two years?

This is revenge by legacy clubs forced into alliances by a league that bullied them into destroying their clubs. That’s it. Not some national movement for GA. I am sorry but that’s the reality.

McLean started Union with SYC because they needed a player pool. Then SYC applied for MLSNext and left.

Nobody forced Loudoun to do NVA. They did it to acquire Valor players.

Tell me you know nothing about any of this without telling me you know nothing about any of this. NM the scammer strikes again!

How many Valor players displaced LS players from going to NVA?

None on the 07 team I am aware of

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So lets assume the rumor of McLean and Loudoun going to GA is true.

1) is this national shift towards GA or is it just a localized DMV shift as a result of those two legacy clubs being crapped on by ECNL and forced into "alliances"?

2) Is GA then all ready oversaturated in the DMV market going from one badge to five in two years?

This is revenge by legacy clubs forced into alliances by a league that bullied them into destroying their clubs. That’s it. Not some national movement for GA. I am sorry but that’s the reality.

McLean started Union with SYC because they needed a player pool. Then SYC applied for MLSNext and left.

Nobody forced Loudoun to do NVA. They did it to acquire Valor players.

Tell me you know nothing about any of this without telling me you know nothing about any of this. NM the scammer strikes again!

How many Valor players displaced LS players from going to NVA?

I think 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need a list of ECNL girls that have MLSN boys programs associated nationwide to see if there could really be a sea change. IF MLSN says all new entrants to the platform must be girls GA or GA2, that could be meaningful. MLSN has the biggest stick of all platforms, boys or girls.

I think there's like 6, but all from the immediate collaspe of DA... Bethesda, PDA, FC Delco, FC Dallas, Colorado Rapids, and Phoenix Rising.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need a list of ECNL girls that have MLSN boys programs associated nationwide to see if there could really be a sea change. IF MLSN says all new entrants to the platform must be girls GA or GA2, that could be meaningful. MLSN has the biggest stick of all platforms, boys or girls.

I think there's like 6, but all from the immediate collaspe of DA... Bethesda, PDA, FC Delco, FC Dallas, Colorado Rapids, and Phoenix Rising.

It might be 6.2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need a list of ECNL girls that have MLSN boys programs associated nationwide to see if there could really be a sea change. IF MLSN says all new entrants to the platform must be girls GA or GA2, that could be meaningful. MLSN has the biggest stick of all platforms, boys or girls.

I think there's like 6, but all from the immediate collaspe of DA... Bethesda, PDA, FC Delco, FC Dallas, Colorado Rapids, and Phoenix Rising.

Real Colorado, Scott Gallagher St Louis, and De Anza Force also

[Anonymous]

So like 9 maybe 10 total with ECNL girls, and MLSN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2) Is GA then all ready oversaturated in the DMV market going from one badge to five in two years?

In general there is oversaturation of "elite" clubs because of the presence of both GA and ECNL.
MLSN is making it worse with MLSN2
So instead of ECNL-G and ECNL B there is now
ECNL-G and GA
MLSN and ECNL-B
ECNL-RL and MLSN2/GA2

For now local teams will compete on national level in GA but with the rapid expansion soon they won't be able to do so any longer.
And on the boys side not even the Samba Boyz will be relevant any longer nationally.

Agreed that this is diluting the talent pool further. Also note that of the 32 2011 girls invited to the regional US soccer talent ID center today only six are from GA clubs. None are from SYC or TSJ. The top ECNL girls from NVA and FVU should try to make it onto the remainingECNL clubs instead of go GA.

How could SYC not have a single 2009/2010/2011 training center invitation? The self proclaimed best girls club in virginia!

Source? Or, are you just a $hit talker?