New OPM memo on RTO

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I agree with this.

Yes something else may have been *done* to make Feds quit/retire, but it probably would have been a lot harder to implement. This one was a gift to the new Administration, and an incredibly easy win.

None of this matters. The House and Senate reports being used to justify this decision were already full of objectively false statistics. OPM has given the numbers. The Republicans just ignore them. They spent four hours last week berating the SSA commissioner, and when he showed exact data about productivity increases over his term, they simply said he was lying.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just to be clear, I don’t even mind the idea of being in the office so much. I can live with RTO. What is making me absolutely crazy is the hostility. For example, suggesting that we just haven’t been showing up since Covid. First, my office has had some telework for more than 20 years so if we are getting rid of it entirely that’s really taking us back to the dark ages. Second, we’ve had pretty liberal telework since Covid but that’s because the office went through a whole analysis and concluded that’s what made sense and we were told we could telework. We weren’t awol. We were following instructions. So, fine, change the policy but don’t make it sound like we’ve been disobedient children.

Voight says he wants us to feel trauma and well I guess I am. I feel incredibly insulted after working hard for the govt for years.

The crazy thing is that in his testimony last week he praised the civil servants he worked with when he was last at OMB. I totally don’t get why he is making a statement like that on the one hand, and saying he wants to inflict trauma on civil servants on the other.

Yes. It is really sad. I am so sad. I have worked hard for 20 years and to be treated with such utter disrespect and vitriol is awful. We are emergency responders and step up during times of need so this is a really crappy feeling.

I feel the same way.

I’m honestly so sad. Not about RTO. I thought we might be back more even under Harris, but sad about the contempt and ignorance about government and its workers. Are there some duds? Absolutely. I haven’t had to deal with HR much but I understand it’s ridiculous. But I’ve dealt with 100s of agency staff on issues of substance and approx 60 percent are excellent, 20 percent good, 15 fair and maybe 5 percent I think are not good. People work weekends, long hours, on vacation…

Yes we put in long hours. During COVID the crew of us who were online until midnight after our kids went to bed. Coming in to work on holidays because we had briefs due. I've had over a decade straight of Outstanding ratings.

I feel the same as you all. It’s truly the bad apples and our inability to handle them that’s gotten us where we are. I have watched managers handle and try to fire certain employees for years without succeeding. I too have trouble with it.

No, I don't concede that. There could be zero bad apples and they'd still do this. If we were 100% in person they'd do something else. Because the only point is to scapegoat and hobble the government.

Do you actually know any republican voters?

I ask because I frequently receive questions about remote work and there is a general consensus that private sector workers go into the office, but federal workers do not.

It’s repeated on here over and over again that it’s about hate. I disagree. Yes, there are some people who simply hate federal workers. But if you think it’s about hate you’re missing the point. It’s about perceived fairness.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Aww, are you mad because HQ in St. Petersburg made you RTO?

Nah, you're just butthurt you won't be able to do laundry and bake bread at home while on the clock.

The whining is truly astounding. Feds getting paid $150,000 per year to be chief diversity officers while sitting at home in their jammies baking bread. Meanwhile, the nursing staff during COVID had to work in person during 10 hour shifts. The CNAs making $38,000 per year who have to wipe the arses of you senior parents in the long-term care facility have to go to work every day. Or the teachers making $52,000 per year going into work every day while barely being able to afford rent so they can reach your kids. As if nurses, teachers, and CNAs don't have kids to deal with, chores at home, and commutes to deal with.

Pathetic feds. Get back to work like the rest of America.

Got it. So who is running your office now that Prigozhin died in that plane crash?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just to be clear, I don’t even mind the idea of being in the office so much. I can live with RTO. What is making me absolutely crazy is the hostility. For example, suggesting that we just haven’t been showing up since Covid. First, my office has had some telework for more than 20 years so if we are getting rid of it entirely that’s really taking us back to the dark ages. Second, we’ve had pretty liberal telework since Covid but that’s because the office went through a whole analysis and concluded that’s what made sense and we were told we could telework. We weren’t awol. We were following instructions. So, fine, change the policy but don’t make it sound like we’ve been disobedient children.

Voight says he wants us to feel trauma and well I guess I am. I feel incredibly insulted after working hard for the govt for years.

The crazy thing is that in his testimony last week he praised the civil servants he worked with when he was last at OMB. I totally don’t get why he is making a statement like that on the one hand, and saying he wants to inflict trauma on civil servants on the other.

Yes. It is really sad. I am so sad. I have worked hard for 20 years and to be treated with such utter disrespect and vitriol is awful. We are emergency responders and step up during times of need so this is a really crappy feeling.

I feel the same way.

I’m honestly so sad. Not about RTO. I thought we might be back more even under Harris, but sad about the contempt and ignorance about government and its workers. Are there some duds? Absolutely. I haven’t had to deal with HR much but I understand it’s ridiculous. But I’ve dealt with 100s of agency staff on issues of substance and approx 60 percent are excellent, 20 percent good, 15 fair and maybe 5 percent I think are not good. People work weekends, long hours, on vacation…

Yes we put in long hours. During COVID the crew of us who were online until midnight after our kids went to bed. Coming in to work on holidays because we had briefs due. I've had over a decade straight of Outstanding ratings.

I feel the same as you all. It’s truly the bad apples and our inability to handle them that’s gotten us where we are. I have watched managers handle and try to fire certain employees for years without succeeding. I too have trouble with it.

No, I don't concede that. There could be zero bad apples and they'd still do this. If we were 100% in person they'd do something else. Because the only point is to scapegoat and hobble the government.

Do you actually know any republican voters?

I ask because I frequently receive questions about remote work and there is a general consensus that private sector workers go into the office, but federal workers do not.

It’s repeated on here over and over again that it’s about hate. I disagree. Yes, there are some people who simply hate federal workers. But if you think it’s about hate you’re missing the point. It’s about perceived fairness.

There is nothing unfair about it. Some people have one leg. Should we chop off everyone else’s to make it fair?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just to be clear, I don’t even mind the idea of being in the office so much. I can live with RTO. What is making me absolutely crazy is the hostility. For example, suggesting that we just haven’t been showing up since Covid. First, my office has had some telework for more than 20 years so if we are getting rid of it entirely that’s really taking us back to the dark ages. Second, we’ve had pretty liberal telework since Covid but that’s because the office went through a whole analysis and concluded that’s what made sense and we were told we could telework. We weren’t awol. We were following instructions. So, fine, change the policy but don’t make it sound like we’ve been disobedient children.

Voight says he wants us to feel trauma and well I guess I am. I feel incredibly insulted after working hard for the govt for years.

The crazy thing is that in his testimony last week he praised the civil servants he worked with when he was last at OMB. I totally don’t get why he is making a statement like that on the one hand, and saying he wants to inflict trauma on civil servants on the other.

Yes. It is really sad. I am so sad. I have worked hard for 20 years and to be treated with such utter disrespect and vitriol is awful. We are emergency responders and step up during times of need so this is a really crappy feeling.

I feel the same way.

I’m honestly so sad. Not about RTO. I thought we might be back more even under Harris, but sad about the contempt and ignorance about government and its workers. Are there some duds? Absolutely. I haven’t had to deal with HR much but I understand it’s ridiculous. But I’ve dealt with 100s of agency staff on issues of substance and approx 60 percent are excellent, 20 percent good, 15 fair and maybe 5 percent I think are not good. People work weekends, long hours, on vacation…

Yes we put in long hours. During COVID the crew of us who were online until midnight after our kids went to bed. Coming in to work on holidays because we had briefs due. I've had over a decade straight of Outstanding ratings.

I feel the same as you all. It’s truly the bad apples and our inability to handle them that’s gotten us where we are. I have watched managers handle and try to fire certain employees for years without succeeding. I too have trouble with it.

No, I don't concede that. There could be zero bad apples and they'd still do this. If we were 100% in person they'd do something else. Because the only point is to scapegoat and hobble the government.

Do you actually know any republican voters?

I ask because I frequently receive questions about remote work and there is a general consensus that private sector workers go into the office, but federal workers do not.

It’s repeated on here over and over again that it’s about hate. I disagree. Yes, there are some people who simply hate federal workers. But if you think it’s about hate you’re missing the point. It’s about perceived fairness.

Yes, I live in Virginia with Republican neighbors who not only work remotely but have no daily hours like I do. They work whenever. They think it's OK because "they earned it." They know I'm not slacking but they're certain lots of other people are. Because everyone knows government workers are lazy.

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I love how the thread has devolved to the point where RTO Biden’s fault. We’re so screwed.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

You are crazy to think that federal remote work was the motivating issue in the last election.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the thread has devolved to the point where RTO Biden’s fault. We’re so screwed.

Classic fascist play book. “I’m not hurting you. You’re making me hurt you.”

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the thread has devolved to the point where RTO Biden’s fault. We’re so screwed.

More than one thing can be true. Trump is out to punish feds. But also RTO under Biden was meal and gave Trump an extra special opening.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

And when they hear another how much it will cost them to do this..

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Where exactly does the funding come from??

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

You are crazy to think that federal remote work was the motivating issue in the last election.

Definitely not, but everyone on my street - nurses, professors, attorneys, business executives, etc. have been back in the office a minimum of 3 days/week for years, and it hasn’t gone unnoticed that my Fed neighbors walk their dogs, pick up and drop off their kids, cut their lawn, etc., regularly, during the work day. Additionally, many of them “work” remotely from vacation destinations for multiple weeks of the year. I know of no other large group of workers - blue collar or professional that are able to abuse the system in that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really annoyed. If people had just gone in 3 days a week like they wanted us to, I think they wouldn’t have gone to such extremes.

I feel the same.

Yes. I blame Biden. He didn’t come down hard enough. Heck even his own EOP offices were TW more than we were. He let agencies get away with hardly complying with RTO and well here we are.

I'm tired of Democrats getting blamed because Republicans are cruel. Republicans have been attacking feds.for decades, Biden isn't responsible for this.

Agree. Plus it isn’t like other sectors aren’t teleworking. I know tons of remote and telework people who work with private companies.

Agree. I will be the only one going in full time. Most of my private sector neighbors cant fathom my current 3 times a week in the office.

Seriously. I am the only person on my street who goes to an office of any kind. Even my Trump supporting neighbor works remotely.

Here’s the thing - this isn’t most of the US. Even where I live in the DMV most of my street is blue collar, or in medical, law enforcement, etc. jobs. They’ve been in-person the entire time and spare absolutely zero tears for feds complaining about having to do what they’ve been doing all along.

And yes you can say, “but I’m more productive at home!” Or “my job doesn’t require me to be in the office” but people outside of your bubble don’t care. And they spoke with their vote.

Now they may change their mind when their commutes are miserable with that many more cars on the road, sometimes the dog chases the car and then doesn’t know what to do with it. But next time let’s ensure the Dems have a viable candidate.

You are crazy to think that federal remote work was the motivating issue in the last election.

I didn’t mean to imply it was *the* motivating factor, or even high on the list. But if there had been a solid Dem candidate, we wouldn’t be here right now.

Or if Biden hadn’t done the “return to the office, pretty please, but oh yeah I don’t really mean it” and we went to pre-Covid work arrangements, we probably wouldn’t either and Ernst and co. couldn’t be screaming that only 6% of Feds work in-person. Incorrect or not.

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Anonymous wrote:You're not legalesing you're way out of this people. It's back to the office. 5 days per week. So many snowflakes when the grocery store worker has to go in everyday or the mechanic fixing your car does too. Big whoop, you have to click a computer mouse for a few hours per day in the office so you can't sleep at home and use time on the clock to babysit your kids. Welcome to the real world like the rest of America.

Aww, are you mad because HQ in St. Petersburg made you RTO?

Nah, you're just butthurt you won't be able to do laundry and bake bread at home while on the clock.

The whining is truly astounding. Feds getting paid $150,000 per year to be chief diversity officers while sitting at home in their jammies baking bread. Meanwhile, the nursing staff during COVID had to work in person during 10 hour shifts. The CNAs making $38,000 per year who have to wipe the arses of you senior parents in the long-term care facility have to go to work every day. Or the teachers making $52,000 per year going into work every day while barely being able to afford rent so they can reach your kids. As if nurses, teachers, and CNAs don't have kids to deal with, chores at home, and commutes to deal with.

Pathetic feds. Get back to work like the rest of America.

Not all of America is a minimum wage Pizza Hut driver like you are. Their whole lot of people teleworking across the nation. They’re also a whole lot of mouse clickers across the nation, working in luxurious offices. But he probably deliver pizza in a roll area so don’t even know about shiny pretty cities.