Biden commutes all but 3 federal death sentences

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Love Joe!!

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

The death penalty is an extension of the principle of self defense as applied to society at large and most Americans agree with our use of it and its morality. It is a killing but it is not murder. Now the families have to stress that another president could come along and allow for their release. Maybe another president will not agree with the morality of life in prison. It’s not Biden’s place to prioritize his personal morality about the death penalty over that of the American people and its courts.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people. Even families of victims disagree on this. You have no idea what they believe or how they feel. Life without parole instead of death at the hands of the government is still a life sentence of hell on earth. Some would argue that it’s worse. They are not getting away with anything or being told what they did is ok.

Biden has been a devout Catholic his whole life. Many would argue that Christmas is exactly the time that someone would choose to stop more death.

Where are the leftists out to condemn Biden’s decision as forcing his Christian nationalism on all of us? Why is it ok for him and not MAGA?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why he had to do this right before Christmas. All these poor families probably struggle with the holidays every single year and he just pour hot fresh pain into their hearts. He is such a scumbag. Such a morally bankrupt horrible man. Literally the complete opposite of the facade he pushed. Just a terrible man.

I know, I was thinking the same thing. No matter what you think about this, why couldn’t he have waited until after the holidays. The timing seems exceptionally cruel, almost deliberately so. It’s as if he hates the families of the victims and wants them to suffer.

You have a distorted perspective. These people are still going to live out their days and die in prison. They just won’t be killed by the government. It’s really nothing to get worked up about.

It is absolutely cruel to make the families of the victims deal with this right before the holidays. Biden could have waited until January and did not. He forced those poor families to have to grapple with this just before the holidays. It is grotesquely cruel behavior from Biden.

I can tell this will come as a surprise to you, but not everyone thinks it’s ok for the government to murder people.

With all due respect, who cares? Biden said he would uphold the laws. Instead he commuted the sentences.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die.

You can’t predict the future and prove that.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die. The only difference is that the government won’t commit a planned murder now too. Is murder wrong or not?

Agree - state sanctioned murder it citizens is plain wrong.

It is also very expensive (>$1m per death row inmate) as there are usually 10-20 years of exhausting legal appeals before they are executed and it does not deter violent crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Who were the 3 people he did not commute their death sentences?

Dylan Roof, who killed several people in a South Carolina church, the Boston marathon bomber, and the shooter who killed people at the synagogue in Pittsburgh.

It seems like what made these three different is they were probably terrorism charges. Hard to disagree that terrorism should carry a maximum penalty.

Hard to disagree that child murderers should carry a maximum penalty.

Hard to argue that it’s hard to protect federal prison guards from inmates already experiencing a life sentence without the threat of a death penalty.

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Anonymous wrote:Death penalty costs taxpayers more than life w/o parole. Biden saved us money AND did the civilized thing. Win, win.

Just going to ignore that the death penalty is expensive because death penalty opponents make it so?

If the goal is to make things cheaper then we could start with all the resources put into defending horrendous criminals who already received due process.

Every legal mechanism should be available in death penalty cases. If there is a mistake at any step you can’t just undo it. So yeah I fully support legal challenges.

And being provided a defense is a constitutional right.

At trial. And to meet rather low due process standards on appeal. Nothing actually requires the decades of legal process before execution. Again - look at Texas.

Texas has exonerated 50 people on death row.

Also - do any of those whose sentences were commuted claim to be legally and factually innocent - worthy of exoneration?

Commuted and exonerated are two different things.

Yes, big people are justifying Biden’s (or who ever is actually acting as President’s) actions by straw men arguments about court processes and innocent people being put to death. These 37 men are all guilty murderers.

And they will all still be in prison until they die.

You can’t predict the future and prove that.

DP - sentences of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole suggests that no guess work is required.

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t have the death penalty when the legal system is as twisted as it is.

You can and we do. Both at the federal level and the state. And we will continue to have them once Biden is (thankfully) gone.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this the thread where “conservative Christians” pretend to be Pro Life?

I believe in the sanctity of life and the appropriateness of the death penalty in specific circumstances as authorized in the Bible. Thanks for your faux concern.

The Bible says a lot of stupid shit, and contradicts itself on capital punishment numerous times.

Who cares if you believe in it or not? I don’t. But don’t attempt to tell practicing Christians what their own theology is.

DP Don't bring it up if you don't want people to give their thoughts and opinions. Just keep it moving because King James book is full of contradictions

I didn’t it up. The previous poster did. Read.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet the Biden Administration is pursuing the death penalty against the kid who shot the health insurance CEO.

It's interesting how establishment Democrats think mass murder is forgivable. But touch an oligarch, and it's still the death penalty. Out of all the crimes, a crime against the rich is evidently the very worst. The Biden Administration will put you to death for it.

This is not true. Biden will not be President when Mangione faces sentencing.

His administration is pursuing the death penalty today.

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting but typical of Biden. He agreed to enforce the laws when he made his oath. It’s one thing to issue a pardon out of mercy and another because you don’t agree with the law.

Aren’t Republicans the party of life?

They are also the party of accountability.

And let's face it, their pro-life position is based at least in part on an accountability argument.

Accountability for whom? For women, and for the poor, and for immigrants. Not for rich white men.

Wrong, we believe in the death penalty for the rich white CEO killer too.

Accountability.

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Anonymous wrote:Love Joe!!

You and maybe Jill.