Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Access to women’s healthcare discussed extensively here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/4935/1066380.page

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Hello low-information non-medical professional making false statements about medical terms. This is just to inform you that just because you don’t like the actual medical category for a procedure does not mean you get to change the name of it.

Abortion means the early termination of a pregnancy before a fetus can live outside the womb - whether spontaneous or medically induced by pill or surgery. Even if that pregnancy was doomed. It is an abortion. This is why miscarriages are labeled abortion in a patient’s file. Ask me how I know.

I am a medical professional. You know exactly what she meant here. Removing a dead fetus is not an elective abortion.
I see women who have had more than 10 elective abortions. I see women who refuse to start prenatal vitamins because "I'm not sure if I'm keeping it. Depends on if the father steps up." This procedure is treated glibly and without the required seriousness. I started my career fully pro-choice but I've seen too much now.

I try not to judge, I really do but back in highschool I had a friend who had 7 yes 7 elective abortions. I faded out of her life. I understand where you are coming from pp I get it.

How many pregnancies and births have you endured? You think the stork brings you a nice big bouncing healthy baby? Pregnancy and birth is difficult and bloody and things can go sideways very quickly and they do. Mind your own damn business is very good advice.

Your comment makes zero sense. They had a choice of something called "birth control" instead of 8 abortions.

If you think birth control is important then do not vote for Donald Trump. Do you have a brain or is it just like a pile of mush inside your skull?.

Do you have a brain? He hasn’t proposed banning birth control. He hasn’t proposed banning IVF either. He hasn’t even proposed a nationwide abortion ban. Harris and Democrats are saying those things to frighten women into voting for them. You are too dumb to see it. Harris knows she won’t be able to do anything for abortion rights as President, but she will use it as a wedge issue to scare dumb women like you into voting for her.

He doesn't need to propose banning IVF to put the IVF clinics out of business . Overturning roe was enough to start this process . If you know anything about IVF, you know that sometimes all of the embryos do not make it. In an "embryos are people" state, clinics would rather not offer IVF then have to risk being charged with murder.

Why don't you go through a few IVF cycles before you start spouting your ignorant nonsense.

Republicans are full of sht.

They won’t protect IVF.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/17/republicans-block-ivf-bill-00179626

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I am vehemently pro choice but I’m not obsessed with abortion rights. And no pun intended, but some of the rhetoric surrounding this issue is hysteria. If you’re one of the celibate or lesbian women over forty who started shrieking about needing an IUD when Roe was overturned, and there were many of them, I’m referring to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

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A D&C is not abortion. Managing an etopic pregnancy is not abortion.

Abortion isn't healthcare, despite the new spin.

Hello low-information non-medical professional making false statements about medical terms. This is just to inform you that just because you don’t like the actual medical category for a procedure does not mean you get to change the name of it.

Abortion means the early termination of a pregnancy before a fetus can live outside the womb - whether spontaneous or medically induced by pill or surgery. Even if that pregnancy was doomed. It is an abortion. This is why miscarriages are labeled abortion in a patient’s file. Ask me how I know.

I am a medical professional. You know exactly what she meant here. Removing a dead fetus is not an elective abortion.
I see women who have had more than 10 elective abortions. I see women who refuse to start prenatal vitamins because "I'm not sure if I'm keeping it. Depends on if the father steps up." This procedure is treated glibly and without the required seriousness. I started my career fully pro-choice but I've seen too much now.

I try not to judge, I really do but back in highschool I had a friend who had 7 yes 7 elective abortions. I faded out of her life. I understand where you are coming from pp I get it.

How many pregnancies and births have you endured? You think the stork brings you a nice big bouncing healthy baby? Pregnancy and birth is difficult and bloody and things can go sideways very quickly and they do. Mind your own damn business is very good advice.

Your comment makes zero sense. They had a choice of something called "birth control" instead of 8 abortions.

If you think birth control is important then do not vote for Donald Trump. Do you have a brain or is it just like a pile of mush inside your skull?.

Do you have a brain? He hasn’t proposed banning birth control. He hasn’t proposed banning IVF either. He hasn’t even proposed a nationwide abortion ban. Harris and Democrats are saying those things to frighten women into voting for them. You are too dumb to see it. Harris knows she won’t be able to do anything for abortion rights as President, but she will use it as a wedge issue to scare dumb women like you into voting for her.

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I'm genuinely concerned that people are this ignorant AND voting.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/opinion/kristl-tomlin-dobbs-children.html

This kid came in, and she was a 13-year-old kid. And she had been walking down the street, and this guy pulled up in the car. And he said, hey, you want to get in the car? I’ll buy you some food. And she went, OK. And she got in his car, and he took her to his apartment, where he locked her in, and he raped her in every available orifice.

And then the neighbors heard her screaming, and they called the police. And the police battered down the door and caught this guy in the act, arrested him, thankfully, and took her to the emergency room. And then, as part of her follow-up, she had a positive pregnancy test a couple of weeks later.

And when she came to my office, she’d had an ultrasound because this is part of this law, right? There’s a huge emphasis on ultrasound. There has to be, because this emphasis is on fetal heart rate, right? And you can only assess that through ultrasound, except through ultrasound, at small gestational ages like that, you typically need to do a transvaginal ultrasound.

So if you’ve never had that before, that is a probe that is stuck up your vagina and moved around until we can get the images that we need. So not amazing at the best of times, but definitely not amazing when you’re a child who’s just been abducted and raped. And the kid had an ultrasound, and there was no heart rate yet.

...And the mom was like, I don’t believe in abortion. I believe in adoption.


But then, a few weeks after that first appointment, the girl came back with her mom and wanted to get an abortion. And remember, the clock is ticking.

I had everything ready to go. I called the lawyers, and the lawyers went, mm, I don’t think so. ... we need to know whether or not there’s a heartbeat. I was like, but we don’t, right? Oh, and then she said, not only does she need an ultrasound, you need to wait 24 hours before you can give her medicine.

And it’s interesting because the advice you got was not necessarily following the letter of the law. But what the law does is create this culture of anxiety around what is supposed to be done at this very critical moment.

I think this is part of where the problem is. These laws are so ambiguous. This isn’t necessarily a criticism of the lawyers who are helping me. They were being hugely conservative in their advice to me. They were trying to help me.

But the issue is, what a lawyer interprets as conservative and what I then have to live on the ground when I’m telling this to a family, it’s they’re just different things.

So I had to go back into this room and tell this family. And I took the kid and her mom to the ultrasound suite. And it was, without a doubt, one of the worst experiences of my life because this kid just sobbed through the whole thing. And her mom sobbed through the whole thing, and my nurse sobbed through the whole thing. And of course, now, it’s been three weeks, and now there is a heartbeat.

And I have to say all this junk — I’m obligated to inform you that there is a heartbeat. And this kid just can’t even get words out. And she’s just shaking her head. I’m obligated to let you know that you may have pictures of this. Would you like your picture? ...none of that was necessary.

Dr. Tomlin asked them to come back the next day, following the lawyer’s advice. They did, and she gave the patient abortion medication.

And so, we did it. Great. Now I have to call the sheriff.

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Anonymous wrote:I am vehemently pro choice but I’m not obsessed with abortion rights. And no pun intended, but some of the rhetoric surrounding this issue is hysteria. If you’re one of the celibate or lesbian women over forty who started shrieking about needing an IUD when Roe was overturned, and there were many of them, I’m referring to you.

Cue the “I KNOW a perimenopausal woman who had an ectopic pregnancy from incestuous rape!!! comments.

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Anonymous wrote:Complications are inherent risk in all medical procedures.

Yes, but patients who are diagnosed with sepsis are usually treated immediately, not the next day. The standard of care for sepsis was denied to Amber because of Georgia’s abortion laws. Someone who is pro-life should be very upset that doctors were discouraged from saving her life. A medical panel ruled that her death was preventable, despite her abortion complications. She was denied the standard of care.

Propublica’s own publication acknowledges that there is no evidence that doctors waited because of legal risk, noting that abortion to save the life of the mother is legal: “There is also an exception, included in most bans, to allow abortions “necessary in order to prevent the death of the pregnant woman or the substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.””

“It is not clear from the records available why doctors waited to provide a D&C to Thurman.“

“The committee does not interview doctors involved with the case or ask hospitals to respond to its findings. “

So you are just completely speculating about why the doctors acted as they did when Amber experienced rare but serious complications from an abortion pill.

It is not always black a white whether someone is having a life threatening medical emergency. Doctors do not want to lose their medical licenses, lose their job, or go to jail. They will be hesitant to perform necessary medical procedures or wait too long to perform them when there is a risk that aggressive prosecutors will try to jail them to treating their patients.

I would love to see the number of cases where men were determined to have sepsis from a known cause, but the appropriate treatment was withheld for 20 hours.

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I’m pro choice and will be voting blue regardless, but am I the only woman who has never worried about getting pregnant?

I remember a high school health class (in the early 90s, amid nonstop AIDS hysteria, in an urban liberal secular area) when we were asked what we feared more: pregnancy or HIV. I was the only girl out of dozens who was more concerned about the thing that could kill me.

Obviously there were points in my life when I would not have welcomed a pregnancy, but so many women seem to be in a constant state of terror over it, and I’ve simply never understood it. There are so many ways to avoid pregnancy (I remember being 23, horny but a student with big plans, and I was on birth control, used a condom, made him pull out, AND made sure it wasn’t during my ovulation window; iuds weren’t even a thing back then), and yes, of course shit sometimes happens and it’s necessary or a good idea to abort, and I think it should be accessible and safe to do so, but there’s no reason to fret over it 24/7. I feel like I missed some fundamental part of being a woman in that I didn’t spend thirty years obsessing over possibly getting pregnant.