Debate Moderator Fact Checks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:David Muir was talking to city managers, watching tape of Trump rallies, and studying Trumps legal woes before the debate all so he could be ready to fact check Trump. Find. But he could be bothered to push back on Kamala’s Charlottesville and bloodbath attacks which have long been debunked?

He was horrible.

We all watched Trump's "both sides" words live. We all knew exactly what he meant.

https://newrepublic.com/article/183082/nopes-trump-very-fine-people

Harris did not tell a lie, despite your assertion to the contrary.

[Anonymous]

Trump had every opportunity to win the debate with substance. He failed, which is completely on-brand for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When a lot of the focus in post-debate discussion is about the moderators, you know they have done a poor job.
We all remember Candy Crowley's fact check that was false during the Obama-Romney debate.

They did a poor job.

Trump did a poor job and started blaming the moderators from the word go because nothing is ever, EVER his own damn fault. That’s who did a poor job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans who are bothered by the moderators fact checking Trump but not Harris aren't looking at the big picture.

Trump lied about 30 times (possibly more), and was fact-checked about 6 times. So over 20 times he was not fact checked for his lies.

Harris possibly lied a handful of times, maybe as many as 5-6 times. And was not fact checked.

They still let Trump get away with about 3 times as many lies as Harris without fact checking them.

The moderator job is to make sure there is decorum and move questions along not fact check that is what the senators do to each other

Fact checking was specifically agreed upon and allowed at this debate by both campaigns. Don't whine because what they agreed to actually happened. And it's not ABC's fault one of the debate participants can't seem to stop blatantly lying at every turn.

A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion, holds participants to time limits and tries to keep them from straying off the topic of the questions being raised in the debate. Nothing to do with fact checking that is not what a moderator does. In fact it wasn't in the rules and is a violation

ABC News released the debate rules for "Kamala Harris and Donald Trump – ABC News Presidential Debate" on Tuesday, Sept. 10, at 9:00 p.m. EDT, which will air live on ABC and stream live on the 24/7 streaming network ABC News Live, Disney+ and Hulu, and is available for simulcast. The debate will take place at the National Constitution Center (525 Arch St., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 19106). "World News Tonight" anchor and managing editor David Muir and "World News Tonight" Sunday anchor and ABC News Live "Prime" anchor Linsey Davis will serve as moderators. Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump have qualified for the debate under the established criteria, and both have accepted the following debate rules, which include the following:

- The debate will be 90 minutes with two commercial breaks.

- The two seated moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, will be the only people asking questions.

- A coin flip was held virtually on Tuesday, Sept. 3, to determine podium placement and order of closing statements; former President Donald Trump won the coin toss and chose to select the order of statements. The former president will offer the last closing statement, and Vice President Harris selected the right podium position on screen (stage left).

- Candidates will be introduced by the moderators.

- The candidates enter upon introduction from opposite sides of the stage; the incumbent party will be introduced first.

- No opening statements; closing statements will be two minutes per candidate.

- Candidates will stand behind podiums for the duration of the debate.

- Props or prewritten notes are not allowed onstage.

- No topics or questions will be shared in advance with campaigns or candidates.

- Candidates will be given a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

- Candidates will have two-minute answers to questions, two-minute rebuttals, and one extra minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses.

- Candidates' microphones will be live only for the candidate whose turn it is to speak and muted when the time belongs to another candidate.

- Candidates will not be permitted to ask questions of each other.

- Campaign staff may not interact with candidates during commercial breaks.

- Moderators will seek to enforce timing agreements and ensure a civilized discussion.

- There will be no audience in the room.

I bolded where the fact-checking comes in, and that explains why it was only deployed when Trump was spewing dangerous outright lies.

The laughing the smiling the giggling while the other person is talking is all civilized. I wonder if that happens often in a workplace.

She was laughing at Trump for taking the bait. I was laughing too. That is called being a human.

+1 If I was golfing with a colleague, I would laugh if he drove the cart straight into a sand trap I built for him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:David Muir was talking to city managers, watching tape of Trump rallies, and studying Trumps legal woes before the debate all so he could be ready to fact check Trump. Find. But he could be bothered to push back on Kamala’s Charlottesville and bloodbath attacks which have long been debunked?

He was horrible.

Here are the people you support "on both sides" right?

(watch the whole string of videos, to the end)

[Anonymous]

Multiple teachers in my DC school outwardly support Trump (think water cooler conversations). Even students support Trump. I’m assuming their parents got stimulus checks and the parent ideology has rubbed off on their children. How can all these black me (and children of both genders) support such a vile, racist, sexist, radical person?? It makes me nervous to see the bravado of Trumpers in the community. It’s a lot easier to go about life thinking these MAGA are just online bots.


I don’t know if I should go to HR or not over the adult conversations. If I am in earshot of them and they belittle my beliefs (although not directly attacking me) can this be considered harassment?

It literally makes me physically uncomfortable to hear them praise that man

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:David Muir was talking to city managers, watching tape of Trump rallies, and studying Trumps legal woes before the debate all so he could be ready to fact check Trump. Find. But he could be bothered to push back on Kamala’s Charlottesville and bloodbath attacks which have long been debunked?

He was horrible.

We all watched Trump's "both sides" words live. We all knew exactly what he meant.

https://newrepublic.com/article/183082/nopes-trump-very-fine-people

Harris did not tell a lie, despite your assertion to the contrary.

Muir should have been all over this, but he just let it go. Total hack.

“He said in the same statement he wasn't talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be "condemned totally."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

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Anonymous wrote:The Republicans who are bothered by the moderators fact checking Trump but not Harris aren't looking at the big picture.

Trump lied about 30 times (possibly more), and was fact-checked about 6 times. So over 20 times he was not fact checked for his lies.

Harris possibly lied a handful of times, maybe as many as 5-6 times. And was not fact checked.

They still let Trump get away with about 3 times as many lies as Harris without fact checking them.

The moderator job is to make sure there is decorum and move questions along not fact check that is what the senators do to each other

Fact checking was specifically agreed upon and allowed at this debate by both campaigns. Don't whine because what they agreed to actually happened. And it's not ABC's fault one of the debate participants can't seem to stop blatantly lying at every turn.

A discussion moderator or debate moderator is a person whose role is to act as a neutral participant in a debate or discussion, holds participants to time limits and tries to keep them from straying off the topic of the questions being raised in the debate. Nothing to do with fact checking that is not what a moderator does. In fact it wasn't in the rules and is a violation

ABC News released the debate rules for "Kamala Harris and Donald Trump – ABC News Presidential Debate" on Tuesday, Sept. 10, at 9:00 p.m. EDT, which will air live on ABC and stream live on the 24/7 streaming network ABC News Live, Disney+ and Hulu, and is available for simulcast. The debate will take place at the National Constitution Center (525 Arch St., Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 19106). "World News Tonight" anchor and managing editor David Muir and "World News Tonight" Sunday anchor and ABC News Live "Prime" anchor Linsey Davis will serve as moderators. Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump have qualified for the debate under the established criteria, and both have accepted the following debate rules, which include the following:

- The debate will be 90 minutes with two commercial breaks.

- The two seated moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, will be the only people asking questions.

- A coin flip was held virtually on Tuesday, Sept. 3, to determine podium placement and order of closing statements; former President Donald Trump won the coin toss and chose to select the order of statements. The former president will offer the last closing statement, and Vice President Harris selected the right podium position on screen (stage left).

- Candidates will be introduced by the moderators.

- The candidates enter upon introduction from opposite sides of the stage; the incumbent party will be introduced first.

- No opening statements; closing statements will be two minutes per candidate.

- Candidates will stand behind podiums for the duration of the debate.

- Props or prewritten notes are not allowed onstage.

- No topics or questions will be shared in advance with campaigns or candidates.

- Candidates will be given a pen, a pad of paper and a bottle of water.

- Candidates will have two-minute answers to questions, two-minute rebuttals, and one extra minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses.

- Candidates' microphones will be live only for the candidate whose turn it is to speak and muted when the time belongs to another candidate.

- Candidates will not be permitted to ask questions of each other.

- Campaign staff may not interact with candidates during commercial breaks.

- Moderators will seek to enforce timing agreements and ensure a civilized discussion.

- There will be no audience in the room.

I bolded where the fact-checking comes in, and that explains why it was only deployed when Trump was spewing dangerous outright lies.

The laughing the smiling the giggling while the other person is talking is all civilized. I wonder if that happens often in a workplace.

Only when “the other person” lies, makes things up, and goes off the rails. Would you like some fries with that pet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:David Muir was talking to city managers, watching tape of Trump rallies, and studying Trumps legal woes before the debate all so he could be ready to fact check Trump. Find. But he could be bothered to push back on Kamala’s Charlottesville and bloodbath attacks which have long been debunked?

He was horrible.

Here are the people you support "on both sides" right?

(watch the whole string of videos, to the end)

Sobering. But not actually surprising.

Project 2025 comes out of this rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

Muir started the debate saying that Harris and President Trump won the election 4 years ago

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Multiple teachers in my DC school outwardly support Trump (think water cooler conversations). Even students support Trump. I’m assuming their parents got stimulus checks and the parent ideology has rubbed off on their children. How can all these black me (and children of both genders) support such a vile, racist, sexist, radical person?? It makes me nervous to see the bravado of Trumpers in the community. It’s a lot easier to go about life thinking these MAGA are just online bots.


I don’t know if I should go to HR or not over the adult conversations. If I am in earshot of them and they belittle my beliefs (although not directly attacking me) can this be considered harassment?

It literally makes me physically uncomfortable to hear them praise that man

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Are they actually saying discriminatory and derogatory remarks towards a protected class? Or are they simply stating their support for Trump and his policies? If the former, sure go to HR. If the latter, you just need to suck it up and accept that there are those who support Trump and his policies..which is not against any law or regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:David Muir was talking to city managers, watching tape of Trump rallies, and studying Trumps legal woes before the debate all so he could be ready to fact check Trump. Find. But he could be bothered to push back on Kamala’s Charlottesville and bloodbath attacks which have long been debunked?

He was horrible.

No, these problematic comments from your embarrassing former president haven’t been debunked. He’s made multiple “bloodbath” comments and his “fine people” comment about Charlottesville was on record. He’s dangerous and he’s an embarrassment— with dementia on top.

I’m open to being corrected though, PP. Attach some of the debunking materials. I’ll take a look, and I’m sure I won’t be the only one. I’m sure you get that comments like yours without the support of actual data don’t count for much. So: Your mission — should you choose to accept it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Multiple teachers in my DC school outwardly support Trump (think water cooler conversations). Even students support Trump. I’m assuming their parents got stimulus checks and the parent ideology has rubbed off on their children. How can all these black me (and children of both genders) support such a vile, racist, sexist, radical person?? It makes me nervous to see the bravado of Trumpers in the community. It’s a lot easier to go about life thinking these MAGA are just online bots.


I don’t know if I should go to HR or not over the adult conversations. If I am in earshot of them and they belittle my beliefs (although not directly attacking me) can this be considered harassment?

It literally makes me physically uncomfortable to hear them praise that man

.

Are they actually saying discriminatory and derogatory remarks towards a protected class? Or are they simply stating their support for Trump and his policies? If the former, sure go to HR. If the latter, you just need to suck it up and accept that there are those who support Trump and his policies..which is not against any law or regulation.

^Just because a co-worker expresses their political views or which POTUS they are supporting in the workplace, does not constitute a hostile work environment. However, typically there is a "don't discuss politics in the workplace" unwritten rule - at least that's how it is in my office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if I should go to HR or not over the adult conversations. If I am in earshot of them and they belittle my beliefs (although not directly attacking me) can this be considered harassment?

It literally makes me physically uncomfortable to hear them praise that man

What on earth makes you feel so entitled as to police opinions different from yours? And how did your parents let you become this fragile? They should be embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Muir started the debate saying that Harris and President Trump won the election 4 years ago

Ummm, what now?