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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Thank you for taking the time to write this out. I appreciate your eloquence in saying what I have a hard time voicing.

Im so sorry. I hope you know that you didn’t do anything wrong and isn’t alone.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

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What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Again this is about silencing alternative viewpoints, not your kid transitioning post-puberty.

That’s ridiculous. Of course it’s about my child. “Alternative viewpoints” are the exact things that are leading to anti trans laws around the county. “Alternative viewpoints” have real repercussions for real people and real families. I’m so sorry that your desire to talk about things that don’t actually impact you at all is being inconvenienced by my desire for my child to have civil rights.

No child medically transitions PRE puberty. That’s what blockers are used for. They delay puberty.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Again this is about silencing alternative viewpoints, not your kid transitioning post-puberty.

That’s ridiculous. Of course it’s about my child. “Alternative viewpoints” are the exact things that are leading to anti trans laws around the county. “Alternative viewpoints” have real repercussions for real people and real families. I’m so sorry that your desire to talk about things that don’t actually impact you at all is being inconvenienced by my desire for my child to have civil rights.

No child medically transitions PRE puberty. That’s what blockers are used for. They delay puberty.

What civil rights are people trying to remove for your child?

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Again this is about silencing alternative viewpoints, not your kid transitioning post-puberty.

That’s ridiculous. Of course it’s about my child. “Alternative viewpoints” are the exact things that are leading to anti trans laws around the county. “Alternative viewpoints” have real repercussions for real people and real families. I’m so sorry that your desire to talk about things that don’t actually impact you at all is being inconvenienced by my desire for my child to have civil rights.

No child medically transitions PRE puberty. That’s what blockers are used for. They delay puberty.

When it has to do with research and policy, no, it is not about any individual.

And since almost all kids who take puberty blockers go on to cross-sex hormones, that is indeed transitioning.

Since your child is trans you should be more adamant about solid research and protocols; not less.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

Support doesn’t equal blindly agreeing with children that there’s something medically wrong with them.

Strawman.

Ok, support doesn’t equal [/b]agreeing with children that there’s something physically medically wrong with them when there isn’t.[b]

Still strawman…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Again this is about silencing alternative viewpoints, not your kid transitioning post-puberty.

Valid viewpoints? Sure.

Transgender haters trying to ban treatments, etc? F that noise.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

conversion therapy is actually when gender nonconforming kids are pushed into a binary through medical intervention.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

.

What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

So conversion therapy.

Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Again this is about silencing alternative viewpoints, not your kid transitioning post-puberty.

That’s ridiculous. Of course it’s about my child. “Alternative viewpoints” are the exact things that are leading to anti trans laws around the county. “Alternative viewpoints” have real repercussions for real people and real families. I’m so sorry that your desire to talk about things that don’t actually impact you at all is being inconvenienced by my desire for my child to have civil rights.

No child medically transitions PRE puberty. That’s what blockers are used for. They delay puberty.

When it has to do with research and policy, no, it is not about any individual.

And since almost all kids who take puberty blockers go on to cross-sex hormones, that is indeed transitioning.

Since your child is trans you should be more adamant about solid research and protocols; not less.

Of course policy affects individuals. Look at Arizona? You’re going to deny that government affects individuals? That’s the entire point of laws.

No. It is not transitioning any more than using puberty blockers for precocious puberty is transitioning. What you’re objecting to is the idea that the blockers themselves are somehow causing the transitioning? Then why don’t they do that for kid with precocious puberty? Why aren’t all kids with precocious puberty who are treated with blockers trans? No. You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead. I would never deny that there are situations where kids shouldn’t rush into blockers or HRT but those decisions should be made by individual families —not random people.

I am very interested in research, and I did more than my share. But I’m not interested in bias and bad faith arguments. And frankly, we made our choices and they were the right ones. I don’t need to second guess when I see my child thriving.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what a high ranking HHS official has consistently said about puberty blockers & hormones for kids:

“ Gender-affirming care is medical care. It is mental health care. It is suicide prevention care. It improves quality of life, and it saves lives. It is based on decades of study. It is a well-established medical practice... The positive value of gender-affirming care is not in serious scientific or medical dispute.”

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/04/30/remarks-by-hhs-assistant-secretary-for-health-adm-rachel-levine-for-the-2022-out-for-health-conference.html

Ok…and? That’s how science/medicine works. You act based on the current guidelines. Those change over time - obviously.

No, false claims of certainty are not “how science/medicine works.”

Just because some random food doctor doesn’t agree doesn’t mean they are “false claims”.

Have you lost your marbles entirely? What on earth are you going on about with random food doctors? The Cass review was authored by one of the most well-respected pediatricians in the entire UK and her analysis has the explicit endorsement of some of the UKs most well-respected physicians.

It seems like you’re having trouble following. We are discussing the link above.

Great quote from it:
“Those who now attack our LGBTQI+ community are driven by an agenda that has nothing to do with medicine, nothing to do with science, and nothing to do with warmth, empathy, compassion or understanding. “

Warmth, empathy and understanding should not be in the same sentence as medicine and science.

Well, there you have it, folks! Social and emotional factors are of no relevance to medicine and consideration of them cannot affect outcomes in ways measurable via science. You heard it here first.

Excellent! So glad we agree. Science is about facts, not feelings. So nice that we are on the same side. Progress!

You’re showing your butthole here, you know. Keep doing it if you want to!

No, we don’t agree.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Again this is about silencing alternative viewpoints, not your kid transitioning post-puberty.

That’s ridiculous. Of course it’s about my child. “Alternative viewpoints” are the exact things that are leading to anti trans laws around the county. “Alternative viewpoints” have real repercussions for real people and real families. I’m so sorry that your desire to talk about things that don’t actually impact you at all is being inconvenienced by my desire for my child to have civil rights.

No child medically transitions PRE puberty. That’s what blockers are used for. They delay puberty.

What civil rights are people trying to remove for your child?

Seriously? Do you know how many anti trans bills were passed just last year? It’s literally illegal for my kid to pee in the right bathroom in Florida. She looks just like an average teenage girl and they want her in the men’s bathroom. Look for yourself if you want to pretend you actually care.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/anti-trans-laws-by-state

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

I have an older teen trans kid who was miserable and transitioned several years ago and is now thriving and happy, going to an excellent college. We banked sperm should she ever want kids, which she says she does not. There has been no surgery and I don't know if there will ever be. She came out after most of puberty, so we didn't have to make any decisions about blockers, but looking back I think it would have been the right thing to do since she does have a few male characteristics, such as a deeper voice, which she has had to train to try and sound more feminine. If she had not gone through any male puberty she would be indistinguishable from cis female peers. However, because she was not THAT far through puberty she almost always passes, which will make life a lot easier for her. She was not a "child" when she came out, but she was under 18. Children are not being given HRT OR surgeries. Older teens are given HRT and sometimes (pretty rarely) surgeries, obviously with parents' permissions.

The people who are obsessed with this are the same people who will then call trans women predators who are trying to "invade women's spaces." And "take over" women's sports. They want it both ways--to deny trans people the ability to pass and then harass and vilify them when they don't. There is no winning. They want trans people to suffer. There is no legitimate reason for concern about what a tiny minority of people regarding these medical decisions unless you are the parent of a trans kid.

These arguments are never in good faith. They never come from a place of genuine concern. You can see right from the beginning of this thread the OP just wanted to talk about how bad it is to give minors HRT and used this study as a way to do it. Honestly, it's weird. It's a weird obsession.

I don't have to read that study because this is my life and my kid's life. It wasn't an easy decision to make and it wasn't made lightly. I feel angry when I see people trying to act like this matters to them when they have no skin in the game. It would be like me telling a bunch of people whose kids have an eating disorder that everything they're doing is wrong when my kid has never had an eating disorder. But I don't feel defensive--I feel annoyed and angry and just wish people would live their own lives and stay. out of our family's choices. It doesn't feel very different to me than people trying to take away abortion rights and get into people's reproductive freedoms.

We made the right decision for our kid. Thankfully we live in a state that has not just used this as a culture war issue to gin up votes.

Again this is about silencing alternative viewpoints, not your kid transitioning post-puberty.

That’s ridiculous. Of course it’s about my child. “Alternative viewpoints” are the exact things that are leading to anti trans laws around the county. “Alternative viewpoints” have real repercussions for real people and real families. I’m so sorry that your desire to talk about things that don’t actually impact you at all is being inconvenienced by my desire for my child to have civil rights.

No child medically transitions PRE puberty. That’s what blockers are used for. They delay puberty.

When it has to do with research and policy, no, it is not about any individual.

And since almost all kids who take puberty blockers go on to cross-sex hormones, that is indeed transitioning.

Since your child is trans you should be more adamant about solid research and protocols; not less.

Of course policy affects individuals. Look at Arizona? You’re going to deny that government affects individuals? That’s the entire point of laws.

No. It is not transitioning any more than using puberty blockers for precocious puberty is transitioning. What you’re objecting to is the idea that the blockers themselves are somehow causing the transitioning? Then why don’t they do that for kid with precocious puberty? Why aren’t all kids with precocious puberty who are treated with blockers trans? No. You’re objecting to the idea that the parents of these kids are validating their kids feelings and you think they should be putting kids in conversion therapy instead. I would never deny that there are situations where kids shouldn’t rush into blockers or HRT but those decisions should be made by individual families —not random people.

I am very interested in research, and I did more than my share. But I’m not interested in bias and bad faith arguments. And frankly, we made our choices and they were the right ones. I don’t need to second guess when I see my child thriving.

Well, it’s been lost in the debate, but I think that puberty blockers are understudied for precocious puberty, and I also think early normal puberty is being pathologized as “precocious,” almost exclusively in girls.

For gender questioning kids, puberty blockers are absolutely the first step in transition because they are intended to stop normal puberty and almost inevitably lead to cross-sex hormones.

Anyway, your just being dishonest when you claim that there was open debate and the Cass Report is a biased interloper. There was NO debate allowed in the US establishment until the news started to come out of Europe - just look at what happened to Dr Littman.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I didn’t read it because I’m not obsessed about what other families choose to do with their medical decisions—especially ones approved by the American Association of Pediatrics.

Did you know that vaccines cause autism? I read it somewhere. It must be true.

So just because a family approves of a certain treatment for gender dysphoria, we all have to shut up, regardless of the harm it may cause? What about faith healing parents who deny their children medical care because it's "against their religion"? Should they be excused?

If it's not YOUR kid, shut up. There are a lot of things I disagree with other parents about. It's not your business and ask yourself why you're so obsessed with this instead of the thousand other medical decisions parents make for and with their children.

Children are taken from homes and sent into foster care for less. The bottom line is that children cannot consent to life altering surgery and drugs.

And there you have it.

They want to make it illegal to support transgender kids.

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What exactly does “support” trans kids mean to you?

To me, it means helping them sort through their gender issues and helping them align with their thinking with their physical body, thus avoiding a lifetime of treatment as a medical patient

1. You do realize this was exactly the misguided idea behind conversion therapy that never worked and just caused trauma to gay people?

2. You do realize that most people have a “lifetime of treatment as a medical patient” as you describe it? Have you been on birth control? If so, you’ve basically been on what my kid is on. So where is the outcry over teens and older women on birth control or using HRT for perimenopause and menopause? And while we’re at it, better take away anti depressants, heart medication, diabetes, ADHD, etc….all the medications that people take throughout their lives.

conversion therapy is actually when gender nonconforming kids are pushed into a binary through medical intervention.

I think you can google conversion therapy. It’s well known what it is and that it fails and has hurt many people.

Being gender non conforming is not the same thing as being transgender. So you’re showing your lack of knowledge here. My child was always allowed to express gender any way she wanted to. Her dysphoria was not related to how she was allowed to act but by her actual body, which did not align with her perception of herself. There was no one pushing her into the binary. If anything, there was a lot of questioning and reflection which she had spent several years doing alone and then months of therapy and many many many conversations.

What you’re saying are just typical anti trans tropes meant to scare people. The reality is much more banal.