One by one, the lockdown myths are crumbling

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

you are an unbearable b.

Truth hurts, huh?

the fact is, the places that actually modeled “resilience” reopened schools quickly or never closed them. it’s beyond ironic that you’re trying to argue with a straight face that doing things like masking 2 year olds somehow showed “resilience.”

Yes, 2 year old must learn to cope with disappointment. This is why the toddler years are tough. Where I live schools didn’t reopen. So I had to step up and parent… which is what I signed up for when I had my kids. God, the whining here is unreal.

Quit whining about whining. You are going to have to cope now that we aren’t going back to masks or ineffective measures that didn’t work and just made the health anxiety freaks like you feel better temporarily.

I’m not sure if PP is a health anxiety freak or one of those people who actually enjoyed lockdowns because it gave them a sense of identity. Even worse, PP could be one of those limousine liberals lecturing us on resilience while sending their kids to private school …

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Anonymous wrote:The school thing is highly dependent on money and parenting. The middle class and UMC kids with a SAHP or WAH parent with flexibility who gave a crap didn’t miss a beat.

I had flexibility and my kid still suffered.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.

you are so unbearably smug. there were plenty of places that did not close schools. this was a political choice, not some kind of phenomenon that could not be changed. your stance is basically that you’re so great and privileged, and your kids so low-need, that you could “roll with things.” others were not so lucky.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

you are an unbearable b.

Truth hurts, huh?

the fact is, the places that actually modeled “resilience” reopened schools quickly or never closed them. it’s beyond ironic that you’re trying to argue with a straight face that doing things like masking 2 year olds somehow showed “resilience.”

Yes, 2 year old must learn to cope with disappointment. This is why the toddler years are tough. Where I live schools didn’t reopen. So I had to step up and parent… which is what I signed up for when I had my kids. God, the whining here is unreal.

What’s unreal is you trying to make the case that forcing toddlers to mask was somehow an exercise in resiliance ..:

I’m not arguing that! I didn’t make my 2 yo wear a mask. No one ever sad anything to me in public because she was 2! Not sure where you are living? No one ever said anything to me in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

And people why people don’t want to go into the teaching profession. Who cares if they get sick. A mask should be sufficient to combat deadly virus from multiple sources for eight hours.

It works in hospitals.

WORK? UM no, people DIED!

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

you are an unbearable b.

Truth hurts, huh?

the fact is, the places that actually modeled “resilience” reopened schools quickly or never closed them. it’s beyond ironic that you’re trying to argue with a straight face that doing things like masking 2 year olds somehow showed “resilience.”

Yes, 2 year old must learn to cope with disappointment. This is why the toddler years are tough. Where I live schools didn’t reopen. So I had to step up and parent… which is what I signed up for when I had my kids. God, the whining here is unreal.

What’s unreal is you trying to make the case that forcing toddlers to mask was somehow an exercise in resiliance ..:

I’m not arguing that! I didn’t make my 2 yo wear a mask. No one ever sad anything to me in public because she was 2! Not sure where you are living? No one ever said anything to me in DC.

2 year olds had to mask in daycare in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.

you are so unbearably smug. there were plenty of places that did not close schools. this was a political choice, not some kind of phenomenon that could not be changed. your stance is basically that you’re so great and privileged, and your kids so low-need, that you could “roll with things.” others were not so lucky.

I’m not smug, I’m just not a big f**ing whiner. My stance is we went through a pandemic and I had to do more than usual as a parent. Don’t have kids if you can’t cope with sh*t. Plenty of parents were able to get through it and move on. Get it together and move on. I’m sure they will do things differently next time. Luckily, pandemics happen once every hundred years or so, so we won’t be here for the next one! Also be thankful you live in America where this is your biggest struggle and not Ukraine or some other war torn country! There things are closed and you hope you’re not getting killed by a bomb.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

you are an unbearable b.

Truth hurts, huh?

the fact is, the places that actually modeled “resilience” reopened schools quickly or never closed them. it’s beyond ironic that you’re trying to argue with a straight face that doing things like masking 2 year olds somehow showed “resilience.”

Yes, 2 year old must learn to cope with disappointment. This is why the toddler years are tough. Where I live schools didn’t reopen. So I had to step up and parent… which is what I signed up for when I had my kids. God, the whining here is unreal.

What’s unreal is you trying to make the case that forcing toddlers to mask was somehow an exercise in resiliance ..:

I’m not arguing that! I didn’t make my 2 yo wear a mask. No one ever sad anything to me in public because she was 2! Not sure where you are living? No one ever said anything to me in DC.

2 year olds had to mask in daycare in DC.

Ok. Well the daycare workers got to deal with it. Be thankful you had daycare!

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.

you are so unbearably smug. there were plenty of places that did not close schools. this was a political choice, not some kind of phenomenon that could not be changed. your stance is basically that you’re so great and privileged, and your kids so low-need, that you could “roll with things.” others were not so lucky.

I’m not smug, I’m just not a big f**ing whiner. My stance is we went through a pandemic and I had to do more than usual as a parent. Don’t have kids if you can’t cope with sh*t. Plenty of parents were able to get through it and move on. Get it together and move on. I’m sure they will do things differently next time. Luckily, pandemics happen once every hundred years or so, so we won’t be here for the next one! Also be thankful you live in America where this is your biggest struggle and not Ukraine or some other war torn country! There things are closed and you hope you’re not getting killed by a bomb.

Your stance is “political choices don’t matter because they don’t affect me! everyone just needs to cope like I, perfect mom, did.” this is literally “let them eat cake.”

what’s clear is that the pandemic restrictions created a set of challenges that you affirmatively enjoyed and now long for because it allowed you to
prove your superiority.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.

you are so unbearably smug. there were plenty of places that did not close schools. this was a political choice, not some kind of phenomenon that could not be changed. your stance is basically that you’re so great and privileged, and your kids so low-need, that you could “roll with things.” others were not so lucky.

I’m not smug, I’m just not a big f**ing whiner. My stance is we went through a pandemic and I had to do more than usual as a parent. Don’t have kids if you can’t cope with sh*t. Plenty of parents were able to get through it and move on. Get it together and move on. I’m sure they will do things differently next time. Luckily, pandemics happen once every hundred years or so, so we won’t be here for the next one! Also be thankful you live in America where this is your biggest struggle and not Ukraine or some other war torn country! There things are closed and you hope you’re not getting killed by a bomb.

Your stance is “political choices don’t matter because they don’t affect me! everyone just needs to cope like I, perfect mom, did.” this is literally “let them eat cake.”

what’s clear is that the pandemic restrictions created a set of challenges that you affirmatively enjoyed and now long for because it allowed you to
prove your superiority.

I did not enjoy the pandemic. My kids should have been in school. But I didn’t outsource my responsibilities as a parent to politicians. Many parents met the challenge, sorry it was tough for you. Your need to revisit how tough things were for you is self-centered. Your online temper tantrum about things outside of your control is unbecoming. Honestly, you should know by now that as an American there isn’t a social safety net and no one cares about your personal struggles as a parent. But by all means, keep carrying on with your complaints into cyberspace. Whine it out. I’m not posting anymore because there is nothing more to say to you. You were given a challenge, like us all, and you failed.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.

you are so unbearably smug. there were plenty of places that did not close schools. this was a political choice, not some kind of phenomenon that could not be changed. your stance is basically that you’re so great and privileged, and your kids so low-need, that you could “roll with things.” others were not so lucky.

I’m not smug, I’m just not a big f**ing whiner. My stance is we went through a pandemic and I had to do more than usual as a parent. Don’t have kids if you can’t cope with sh*t. Plenty of parents were able to get through it and move on. Get it together and move on. I’m sure they will do things differently next time. Luckily, pandemics happen once every hundred years or so, so we won’t be here for the next one! Also be thankful you live in America where this is your biggest struggle and not Ukraine or some other war torn country! There things are closed and you hope you’re not getting killed by a bomb.

Your stance is “political choices don’t matter because they don’t affect me! everyone just needs to cope like I, perfect mom, did.” this is literally “let them eat cake.”

what’s clear is that the pandemic restrictions created a set of challenges that you affirmatively enjoyed and now long for because it allowed you to
prove your superiority.

I did not enjoy the pandemic. My kids should have been in school. But I didn’t outsource my responsibilities as a parent to politicians. Many parents met the challenge, sorry it was tough for you. Your need to revisit how tough things were for you is self-centered. Your online temper tantrum about things outside of your control is unbecoming. Honestly, you should know by now that as an American there isn’t a social safety net and no one cares about your personal struggles as a parent. But by all means, keep carrying on with your complaints into cyberspace. Whine it out. I’m not posting anymore because there is nothing more to say to you. You were given a challenge, like us all, and you failed.

We get it. Which is why next time we're not going to follow the nonsensical rules to protect the so called vulnerable. Every man for himself, right? Isn't that what you're preaching? I will do what works for me, thanks very much, never mind about you.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.

you are so unbearably smug. there were plenty of places that did not close schools. this was a political choice, not some kind of phenomenon that could not be changed. your stance is basically that you’re so great and privileged, and your kids so low-need, that you could “roll with things.” others were not so lucky.

I’m not smug, I’m just not a big f**ing whiner. My stance is we went through a pandemic and I had to do more than usual as a parent. Don’t have kids if you can’t cope with sh*t. Plenty of parents were able to get through it and move on. Get it together and move on. I’m sure they will do things differently next time. Luckily, pandemics happen once every hundred years or so, so we won’t be here for the next one! Also be thankful you live in America where this is your biggest struggle and not Ukraine or some other war torn country! There things are closed and you hope you’re not getting killed by a bomb.

Your stance is “political choices don’t matter because they don’t affect me! everyone just needs to cope like I, perfect mom, did.” this is literally “let them eat cake.”

what’s clear is that the pandemic restrictions created a set of challenges that you affirmatively enjoyed and now long for because it allowed you to
prove your superiority.

I did not enjoy the pandemic. My kids should have been in school. But I didn’t outsource my responsibilities as a parent to politicians. Many parents met the challenge, sorry it was tough for you. Your need to revisit how tough things were for you is self-centered. Your online temper tantrum about things outside of your control is unbecoming. Honestly, you should know by now that as an American there isn’t a social safety net and no one cares about your personal struggles as a parent. But by all means, keep carrying on with your complaints into cyberspace. Whine it out. I’m not posting anymore because there is nothing more to say to you. You were given a challenge, like us all, and you failed.

lol you keep on missing the point. and what kind of utter narcissist is still going on and on about what a perfect parent they are because they enjoyed school shut-downs?

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.

you are so unbearably smug. there were plenty of places that did not close schools. this was a political choice, not some kind of phenomenon that could not be changed. your stance is basically that you’re so great and privileged, and your kids so low-need, that you could “roll with things.” others were not so lucky.

I’m not smug, I’m just not a big f**ing whiner. My stance is we went through a pandemic and I had to do more than usual as a parent. Don’t have kids if you can’t cope with sh*t. Plenty of parents were able to get through it and move on. Get it together and move on. I’m sure they will do things differently next time. Luckily, pandemics happen once every hundred years or so, so we won’t be here for the next one! Also be thankful you live in America where this is your biggest struggle and not Ukraine or some other war torn country! There things are closed and you hope you’re not getting killed by a bomb.

Your stance is “political choices don’t matter because they don’t affect me! everyone just needs to cope like I, perfect mom, did.” this is literally “let them eat cake.”

what’s clear is that the pandemic restrictions created a set of challenges that you affirmatively enjoyed and now long for because it allowed you to
prove your superiority.

I did not enjoy the pandemic. My kids should have been in school. But I didn’t outsource my responsibilities as a parent to politicians. Many parents met the challenge, sorry it was tough for you. Your need to revisit how tough things were for you is self-centered. Your online temper tantrum about things outside of your control is unbecoming. Honestly, you should know by now that as an American there isn’t a social safety net and no one cares about your personal struggles as a parent. But by all means, keep carrying on with your complaints into cyberspace. Whine it out. I’m not posting anymore because there is nothing more to say to you. You were given a challenge, like us all, and you failed.

We get it. Which is why next time we're not going to follow the nonsensical rules to protect the so called vulnerable. Every man for himself, right? Isn't that what you're preaching? I will do what works for me, thanks very much, never mind about you.

+100. I bet you ANYTHING this smug PP was posting all over social media pious bromides about “supporting teachers” and “my mask protects you …” They were very gratified by it all. Never again.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

It's ok to admit you were wrong. Why is that so hard? Bad decisions were made based on feelings and politics. That is wrong, agree?