One by one, the lockdown myths are crumbling

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

Not PP, but Arlington. Woodstock Park had police tape around the playground, swings tied up around the horizontal pole, and the tops of the basketball hoops were covered with wood so people couldn’t shoot hoops. The Arlington County Board at work, folks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

Not PP, but Arlington. Woodstock Park had police tape around the playground, swings tied up around the horizontal pole, and the tops of the basketball hoops were covered with wood so people couldn’t shoot hoops. The Arlington County Board at work, folks.

Ok that’s insane. They should not have done that. I hope the board was voted out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

This was in LA. Had to get out of there. The crazy existed in pockets of the US, if you didn't experience this you are a lucky one. Our next-door and neighbor Facebook groups regularly posted pics of neighbors breaking "rules" or not masking outside to shame them.

That’s insane! But I’m not sure I would care. Our neighborhood listserv has some pretty nutty busybodies but they didn’t do this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i think lockdown measures worked. who knows what would've happened if we didn't lockdown? why this sh*t again OP? got nothing to do?

Um, the article I linked was published within the last day. 13 hours ago.

You didn’t read it, did you.

dp. i read it. columnist erected a straw man.

Lockdowns were never about preventing COVID or eliminating it. The stated purpose was to slow down its spread. To that end, they were highly effective.

I don’t understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp. As a hospital nurse who was working when the SHTF, it’s surreal how people downplay COVID. It was like nothing else we had seen—so many people dying left and right. So many people sick. It’s like having lived in a different reality than so many people
like the PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think lockdown measures worked. who knows what would've happened if we didn't lockdown? why this sh*t again OP? got nothing to do?

Um, the article I linked was published within the last day. 13 hours ago.

You didn’t read it, did you.

dp. i read it. columnist erected a straw man.

Lockdowns were never about preventing COVID or eliminating it. The stated purpose was to slow down its spread. To that end, they were highly effective.

I don’t understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp. As a hospital nurse who was working when the SHTF, it’s surreal how people downplay COVID. It was like nothing else we had seen—so many people dying left and right. So many people sick. It’s like having lived in a different reality than so many people
like the PP.

They should have filmed the nightmare. I’m stunned that people have forgotten the refrigerated semi-trucks functioning as morgues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

This was in LA. Had to get out of there. The crazy existed in pockets of the US, if you didn't experience this you are a lucky one. Our next-door and neighbor Facebook groups regularly posted pics of neighbors breaking "rules" or not masking outside to shame them.

That’s insane! But I’m not sure I would care. Our neighborhood listserv has some pretty nutty busybodies but they didn’t do this.

Certainly kills the vibe of friendly neighbors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think lockdown measures worked. who knows what would've happened if we didn't lockdown? why this sh*t again OP? got nothing to do?

Um, the article I linked was published within the last day. 13 hours ago.

You didn’t read it, did you.

dp. i read it. columnist erected a straw man.

Lockdowns were never about preventing COVID or eliminating it. The stated purpose was to slow down its spread. To that end, they were highly effective.

I don’t understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp. As a hospital nurse who was working when the SHTF, it’s surreal how people downplay COVID. It was like nothing else we had seen—so many people dying left and right. So many people sick. It’s like having lived in a different reality than so many people
like the PP.

what you need to understand is that most of the covid “mitigations” were not based on “the science” and in fact had a lot of costs. I can simultaneously agree that covid was serious pre-vaccine and that a lot of the prevention measures were unnecessary and harmful. and of course many other places didn’t do them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i think lockdown measures worked. who knows what would've happened if we didn't lockdown? why this sh*t again OP? got nothing to do?

Um, the article I linked was published within the last day. 13 hours ago.

You didn’t read it, did you.

dp. i read it. columnist erected a straw man.

Lockdowns were never about preventing COVID or eliminating it. The stated purpose was to slow down its spread. To that end, they were highly effective.

I don’t understand why this concept is so hard for people to grasp. As a hospital nurse who was working when the SHTF, it’s surreal how people downplay COVID. It was like nothing else we had seen—so many people dying left and right. So many people sick. It’s like having lived in a different reality than so many people
like the PP.

They should have filmed the nightmare. I’m stunned that people have forgotten the refrigerated semi-trucks functioning as morgues.

did masking 2 year olds prevent that? no it did not. ONE thing stopped it: immunity, via vaccines and infection. Every other mitigation measure was unscientific window-dressing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

Not PP, but Arlington. Woodstock Park had police tape around the playground, swings tied up around the horizontal pole, and the tops of the basketball hoops were covered with wood so people couldn’t shoot hoops. The Arlington County Board at work, folks.

Yeah that never made a lick of sense to me. Taping off outdoor areas like playgrounds and basketball hoops, but allowing indoor places like Walmart and Target to be packed shoulder to shoulder.

I read something that if the company was in the stock market, chances are that company did not close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

Not PP, but Arlington. Woodstock Park had police tape around the playground, swings tied up around the horizontal pole, and the tops of the basketball hoops were covered with wood so people couldn’t shoot hoops. The Arlington County Board at work, folks.

Yeah that never made a lick of sense to me. Taping off outdoor areas like playgrounds and basketball hoops, but allowing indoor places like Walmart and Target to be packed shoulder to shoulder.

I read something that if the company was in the stock market, chances are that company did not close.

Don't forget, they shut down churches but kept liquor stores open too!

[Anonymous]

The lockdowns made sense for about two months, and then they didn't. Covid was bad and unknown in March 2020, but by the end of May, it was clear that it was going to be like a very bad flu year, and not a plague. Those under 60 in reasonably good health had little to fear. Kids got a cold. At that point, a rational risk assessment would have been to reopen schools and businesses, and tell those at risk to stay somewhat isolated (voluntarily, which they were doing anyway) until the vaccine's arrival. However, irrationality had taken over. This was a combination of hysteria, politics, political correctness, virtue signaling, and poor ability to parse statistics. "Trust the science" became the ultimate post-modern oxymoron. Behind it all was Trump; not so much his actions, but the anti-Trump syndrome that still infects about half the country (he is bad, therefore I must be against anything he is for.) Because he was more liberal on reopening, it became virtuous to shut down. I firmly believe that if he had been rabidly pro-shutdown, the reaction would have been to do anything to reopen. The costs were stunning; the lockdowns resulted in a year-over-year 30% contraction in GDP without stimulus. The stimulus added $2T to our debt, which now costs us around $175M per day to finance. Monetary stimulus, in the form of 0% interest rates and bond buying, contributed to inflation. The damage to kids was staggering. Anyone denying the learning loss and psychological damage--particularly for girls--doesn't have or isn't around children. We made a bad mistake by not making rational decisions by the summer of 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lockdowns made sense for about two months, and then they didn't. Covid was bad and unknown in March 2020, but by the end of May, it was clear that it was going to be like a very bad flu year, and not a plague. Those under 60 in reasonably good health had little to fear. Kids got a cold. At that point, a rational risk assessment would have been to reopen schools and businesses, and tell those at risk to stay somewhat isolated (voluntarily, which they were doing anyway) until the vaccine's arrival. However, irrationality had taken over. This was a combination of hysteria, politics, political correctness, virtue signaling, and poor ability to parse statistics. "Trust the science" became the ultimate post-modern oxymoron. Behind it all was Trump; not so much his actions, but the anti-Trump syndrome that still infects about half the country (he is bad, therefore I must be against anything he is for.) Because he was more liberal on reopening, it became virtuous to shut down. I firmly believe that if he had been rabidly pro-shutdown, the reaction would have been to do anything to reopen. The costs were stunning; the lockdowns resulted in a year-over-year 30% contraction in GDP without stimulus. The stimulus added $2T to our debt, which now costs us around $175M per day to finance. Monetary stimulus, in the form of 0% interest rates and bond buying, contributed to inflation. The damage to kids was staggering. Anyone denying the learning loss and psychological damage--particularly for girls--doesn't have or isn't around children. We made a bad mistake by not making rational decisions by the summer of 2020.

No, that’s not what was clear in May 2020.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

Not PP, but Arlington. Woodstock Park had police tape around the playground, swings tied up around the horizontal pole, and the tops of the basketball hoops were covered with wood so people couldn’t shoot hoops. The Arlington County Board at work, folks.

That’s not a school playground, idiot.

The vast majority of playgrounds in Arlington were open. Stop spreading misinformation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Exactly.
Were perfect decisions made? of course not! Is it worth doing some after action/lessons learned analysis to improve actions for next time? Of course!
But this "gotcha" shit about myths crumbling is so offensive and stupid to people around the world who literally worked day and night doing their best to save lives.

+1

Fcking whiners.

why are we the whiners, and not the ones who insisted that 2 yr olds wear masks to make themselves feel better?

Nothing will ever top the whiners who screamed at their neighbors to wear a mask while walking outside, on the other side of the street. Now those same whiners are here crying "just forget about it, it's over!"

This didn’t happen troll.

Wow, you have amnesia already? How about the neighbors who called the cops on kids playing in the park? That didn't happen either, right? You are a fool. We remember. You don't want anyone to talk about this because you'd rather we all just forget.

Where on earth do you live?!

Not PP, but Arlington. Woodstock Park had police tape around the playground, swings tied up around the horizontal pole, and the tops of the basketball hoops were covered with wood so people couldn’t shoot hoops. The Arlington County Board at work, folks.

Yeah that never made a lick of sense to me. Taping off outdoor areas like playgrounds and basketball hoops, but allowing indoor places like Walmart and Target to be packed shoulder to shoulder.

I read something that if the company was in the stock market, chances are that company did not close.

Don't forget, they shut down churches but kept liquor stores open too!

And gyms closed too. As if the healthy people who regularly work out were going to be the ones dropping like flies. There was no rhyme or reason to what was closed and what was open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lockdowns made sense for about two months, and then they didn't. Covid was bad and unknown in March 2020, but by the end of May, it was clear that it was going to be like a very bad flu year, and not a plague. Those under 60 in reasonably good health had little to fear. Kids got a cold. At that point, a rational risk assessment would have been to reopen schools and businesses, and tell those at risk to stay somewhat isolated (voluntarily, which they were doing anyway) until the vaccine's arrival. However, irrationality had taken over. This was a combination of hysteria, politics, political correctness, virtue signaling, and poor ability to parse statistics. "Trust the science" became the ultimate post-modern oxymoron. Behind it all was Trump; not so much his actions, but the anti-Trump syndrome that still infects about half the country (he is bad, therefore I must be against anything he is for.) Because he was more liberal on reopening, it became virtuous to shut down. I firmly believe that if he had been rabidly pro-shutdown, the reaction would have been to do anything to reopen. The costs were stunning; the lockdowns resulted in a year-over-year 30% contraction in GDP without stimulus. The stimulus added $2T to our debt, which now costs us around $175M per day to finance. Monetary stimulus, in the form of 0% interest rates and bond buying, contributed to inflation. The damage to kids was staggering. Anyone denying the learning loss and psychological damage--particularly for girls--doesn't have or isn't around children. We made a bad mistake by not making rational decisions by the summer of 2020.

No, that’s not what was clear in May 2020.

DP. Yes, yes it was. By May 2020, it was known that the most impacted were the people with weak immune systems and the elderly. I remember when they sent that giant medical ship to the NYC harbor and it sat empty until they turned it back around. That was around the same time period.

It should’ve ended right there and then. There was no real reason to keep it going past those first two months.