One by one, the lockdown myths are crumbling

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the UK seems to acknowledge what many of us have come to realize: many of the protocols imposed in response to Covid were simply wrong:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/one-by-one-the-lockdown-myths-are-crumbling/

What Covid measure do you feel was the most harmful to society, and are we doomed to repeat it next time?

The most harmful COVID measure was former president Trump’s anti science denialism … his reckless disregard for facts, science and evidence continues to undermine society.

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the UK seems to acknowledge what many of us have come to realize: many of the protocols imposed in response to Covid were simply wrong:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/one-by-one-the-lockdown-myths-are-crumbling/

What Covid measure do you feel was the most harmful to society, and are we doomed to repeat it next time?

Due to the way the pandemic was mishandled- no one will listen next time. So- no.

I agree with this; any attempt at lockdowns, school closures, etc. in the event of a future pandemic will be met with hostility and/or refusal. I think in that way, we will not repeat the past mistakes.

Yeah, the doors may stay open, but who will be there to teach the kids that show up?

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

Exactly. They should’ve been STAYING HOME and SAVNG LIVES. My god, how many grandmas did this poster kill??????

But seriously, I was told by my PTA that organizing ANY pod was disgusting and would kill Black people. I’m not exaggerating.

So a pod of something like 20 people? Not a “pod” and certainly not containing risk.

I can’t speak about your PTA but our pod was 75% black families. Why were you discussing your parenting with your PTA? People can voice their opinion doesn’t mean you have to take it.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

NNP: We did this too, and more (tons of outdoor sports practices and get togethers etc). My kids were fine and actually kind of enjoyed the school shutdown. They socialized a ton (as normal) yet didn’t have to go to school. They thought it was pretty great. However- it kind of defeated the whole purpose of a “shutdown” no? We were doing everything as normal- well, everything except for school. At least half of the families we know were socializing tons, resuming sports and traveling a lot etc by summer 2020. The remainder were very conservative and largely isolating etc. The school shutdowns made no sense to me by Fall 2020 TBH. The kids were mostly all hanging out together by then anyway, and bars, restaurants and more were open etc.

People made personal choices based on their risk tolerance. The shutdown avoided large groups from gathering in enclosed spaces to prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed. They still got overwhelmed and we had refrigerated trucks as temporary morgues but it could have been much worse.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG--let it rest. People made the best decisions they could with the information they had.

Why is it so important to let it rest? It RUINED some people financially and otherwise. We study everything else so we can glean lessons. What makes a pandemic (that’s still ongoing, by the way) any different?

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Anonymous wrote:This article from the UK seems to acknowledge what many of us have come to realize: many of the protocols imposed in response to Covid were simply wrong:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/31/one-by-one-the-lockdown-myths-are-crumbling/

What Covid measure do you feel was the most harmful to society, and are we doomed to repeat it next time?

The most harmful COVID measure was former president Trump’s anti science denialism … his reckless disregard for facts, science and evidence continues to undermine society.

I am no fan of Trump, but he actually initiated Operation Warpspeed to get a viable vaccine out to the general public. Lest we forget.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Kids were not harmed. Parents attitudes were the problem and parents who could not handle or be responsible for their kids. Stop throwing vulnerable kids under the bus when they did fine. It was people like you who struggled as you never really spent much real time with your kids and now you were forced to and forced to see what was really going on.

Vulnerable kids did not do fine. They are still struggling.

Also, among the parents who could not "handle" school closures were working parents who could not afford childcare for school age kids, which is an enormous number of families.

We are working parents with two kids. Our kids did fine during the pandemic. We had to make an extra effort to organize things for our kids but that’s life. And let’s face it, pandemic or not, our society doesn’t make being a parent easy. It’s expensive and no social safety net. I don’t understand a lot of the whining on this thread. You chose to have kids and as a parent you need to step up sometimes. No one is going to do it for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

you are an unbearable b.

Truth hurts, huh?

the fact is, the places that actually modeled “resilience” reopened schools quickly or never closed them. it’s beyond ironic that you’re trying to argue with a straight face that doing things like masking 2 year olds somehow showed “resilience.”

Yes, 2 year old must learn to cope with disappointment. This is why the toddler years are tough. Where I live schools didn’t reopen. So I had to step up and parent… which is what I signed up for when I had my kids. God, the whining here is unreal.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

And people why people don’t want to go into the teaching profession. Who cares if they get sick. A mask should be sufficient to combat deadly virus from multiple sources for eight hours.

It works in hospitals.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

you are an unbearable b.

Truth hurts, huh?

the fact is, the places that actually modeled “resilience” reopened schools quickly or never closed them. it’s beyond ironic that you’re trying to argue with a straight face that doing things like masking 2 year olds somehow showed “resilience.”

Yes, 2 year old must learn to cope with disappointment. This is why the toddler years are tough. Where I live schools didn’t reopen. So I had to step up and parent… which is what I signed up for when I had my kids. God, the whining here is unreal.

Quit whining about whining. You are going to have to cope now that we aren’t going back to masks or ineffective measures that didn’t work and just made the health anxiety freaks like you feel better temporarily.

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The school thing is highly dependent on money and parenting. The middle class and UMC kids with a SAHP or WAH parent with flexibility who gave a crap didn’t miss a beat.

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

Yeah but if those are the metrics you go by, the children never have been fine.

Covid made those numbers much worse. Come on.

+1, it is so weird to me to hear progressives, including educators, refuse to acknowledge the link between school shut downs and the issues we are now seeing with learning loss, juvenile crime, and behavioral issues in school. Of course school shutdowns didn't create these problems, but especially in places (like DC) where shutdowns lasted for over a year, it's obvious they had a significant negative impact.

It's weird to me because as a progressive, I have long viewed public education as an essential service provided by government. When people argue that shutdowns had no impact, I get confused because how can removing an essential government service have no impact? This is like saying you really value Medicare as a government program but also if they just denied all claims for a year, it would have no impact on the well being of elderly people in this country. What?

And don't tell me "there was school, just the buildings were closed." That's only true for kids who had the kind of supports at home to make remote learning possible. Meaning it's not true for poor kids, kids with single parents, kids with certain learning disorders and special needs, homeless kids, etc. You know, the kids that usually progressives work hard to help and protect.

I'm not saying schools should never have shut down for any length of time. I think closing them was the obvious choice initially and there was an argument for keeping them closed for a certain length of time (not as long as they were closed in DC). But that's different from acknowledging that the shutdowns had a negative impact on kids. At a minimum it should be possible to say "I think shut downs were necessary to save lives but now we need to do everything in our power to address the negative impacts." Instead a lot of progressives will argue there simply were no negative impacts. It's baffling. It makes me feel like Alice at the Madhatter's Tea Party.

These things were happening before Covid. You just choose to ignore then. School was not closed. It was virtual.

You are delusional. Absolutely delusional. It must be because you need to be delusional in order to live with yourself.

What is wrong with you? Were you just blind to what was going on due to your charmed life?

I’m not the one pretending that millions of kids across the US, overwhelmingly the most vulnerable already, weren’t permanently harmed by useless school closures. What is wrong with you and your need to deny reality? Why do you despise the most vulnerable kids in the country?

Parents were supposed to parent and teach their kids resiliency. Life isn’t always perfect. Kids should have learned how to cope. But clearly there are many parents out there who cannot cope, cannot adjust to the situation, and just crumble at the slightest effort to parent. Some parents clearly couldn’t assess their risk appetite and make decisions to provide their kids with what they need. I think there are some fragile people who shouldn’t have had kids if they can’t provide what their kids need emotionally.

you are an unbearable b.

Truth hurts, huh?

the fact is, the places that actually modeled “resilience” reopened schools quickly or never closed them. it’s beyond ironic that you’re trying to argue with a straight face that doing things like masking 2 year olds somehow showed “resilience.”

Yes, 2 year old must learn to cope with disappointment. This is why the toddler years are tough. Where I live schools didn’t reopen. So I had to step up and parent… which is what I signed up for when I had my kids. God, the whining here is unreal.

What’s unreal is you trying to make the case that forcing toddlers to mask was somehow an exercise in resiliance ..:

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Anonymous wrote:Shutting schools down for an extended period was definitely harmful especially for younger kids for whom remote learning was a joke. In many states it was the teachers unions who did a real disservice. An early on shut down was understandable given the level of fear but soon it became know that the risk to children was much lower than adults. Yes, the teachers were adults but masks etc proved to be effective.

school was a super spreader site. these policies was never about protecting children from getting the disease and the notion that it was is some kind of weird revisionist history.

Also, the children are fine.

Test scores and juvenile crime rates suggest that the children are not fine.

+1. The children are not fine. My son was in kindergarten in March 2020. The learning loss and behavior issues among young elementary kids is immense. So many kids in 3rd-6th grade now lacking basic social skills and unaware of behavioral norms.

NP. I don’t understand why you didn’t do a friends’ pod?! I did it with my 5th and 7th grader because they needed to be around friends. My 5th grader had a pod of 5 friends and they rotated houses during the school shutdown. My 7th grader had meet ups at parks and different houses with friends. My younger kid isn’t as far ahead in math because zoom math was tough. It was on parents to organize these things.

Ma’am a pod of 5 families is a super spreader event. Shame on you.

No one got Covid but I see you’re trolling.

Ma’am you didn’t contain the spread. Your kids were not podded.

The problem is that you are explaining what you did like it was the good and honorable thing.

Yes, being a responsible parent is a good thing. Assessing personal risk is a good thing. Remarkably, there were many, many people just like me who didn’t completely freak out and move to the fringes of anti or pro anything. We just rolled with things and focused on what we could do so that our kids’ needs were met while recognizing the world was going through a pandemic.