Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and this is probably more what it looked like.

https://community.whattoexpect.com/forums/may-2020-babies/topic/i-think-i-just-had-a-miscarriage-in-the-toilet-84147841.html

That's a miscarriage at a few weeks not a stillborn baby at 22 weeks that weights a pound and is 11 inches and was large enough to clog the toilet. She used a plugger to get the baby down the pipe. Police we're called. That was in fact "abuse of a corpse" which is what she was charged with.

Plugging your dead baby down the toilet=abuse of a corpse for those of you who seem to be very confused by this.

you’re absolutely disgusting

You're disgusted by the facts? Yet not about the lady who did this? Who was able to do this. She literally did just that. That is what you should be outraged at but....you're not. Strange huh?

No, I am not disgusted by what a woman did with the dead fetus after she was sent home to deliver it at home. I’m disgusted by people trying to send her to jail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

[Anonymous]

https://www.tribtoday.com/news/local-news/2023/11/womans-abuse-of-corpse-case-heads-to-grand-jury/

"no law requires a mother suffering from a miscarriage of a non-viable fetus to bury or cremate the remains"

yet

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should definitely be suing the hospital(s) and the state. This is a complete horror.

The facts that people are just simply making up here to fit their agenda is astounding. She is not being arrested for having a stillbirth. She is being charged with attempting to flush a dead baby down the toilet. And it doesn't sound like that fact is in dispute. What is in dispute here is whether or not it is fine and dandy to flush a dead baby down the toilet. Those of you who keep saying she had a "miscarriage" into the toilet are getting that wrong. One previous poster accurately described the size and appearance of a baby at 22 weeks gestation (and yes, the facts seem to indicate that it was a baby at 22 weeks gestation, not that she had been carrying a fetus that had already stopped gestating weeks earlier as at least one poster claims--that is not the fact. The baby was 22 weeks). Also, at 22 weeks it is not really a miscarriage. Some will call it that. Mine was diagnosed officially as spontaneous abortion, not miscarriage. There was a reason the police were called, and maybe we will learn of that some day, maybe we won't. But OP, you need to stop using this story to promote your pro-abortion agenda. This woman is not charged with a felony for a stillbirth. She is charged with a felony for attempting to flush her stillborn baby down the toilet. It sounds horrible for her and I can sympathize somewhat, having also had a mid-term birth of a baby. I think that's why I find OP's and other's attempts to use this story to fit their own agendas so offensive. They have absolutely no idea what a baby is like at 22 weeks gestation. I do.

And some of us also do. Did you have to stick your hand in bloody toilet water to pull your 22 week out?

[Anonymous]

I also pooped while giving birth. So yeah that'd be a fun toilet to fish through for my dead fetus.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t “don’t flush a corpse” common knowledge? I mean it’s not a goldfish it’s a human.

My “common knowledge “ doesn’t cover miscarriages or stillbirths outside of a hospital setting.
Since yours apparently does, please describe, in as detailed a way as you can manage, what exactly “common knowledge “ would have someone do in this situation.

I would probably call 911 and ask for help, and follow their instructions. But I get that after going through something traumatic and being turned away from from the hospital, the poor woman was in shock, and didn’t know what to do.

Really, common sense doesn’t tell you not to add a dead baby to the public water supply? It was apparently large enough that she tried plunging it and it didn’t go down so we’re not talking about just a large glob of cells…

Since you bothered to respond, why ignore the point of my post? Let’s try CAPS. Instead of burbling on about what this traumatized woman actually did, what does your undoubtedly idiosyncratic “common sense” suggest that someone should actually DO in this situation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

So basically you do think women need to fish out their miscarriages from the toilet?

This is a still birth. Don't forget it. She should have called for help. Duh. Stop acting like you don't know the difference between a miscarriage and a stillbirth.

She did and was sent home.

Show me where it says she was sent home.

J/k. You can’t. BECAUSE IT DOESN’T SAY THAT

Was the toilet in the hospital? Because if it wasn’t, she was sent home.

Holy fu@kballs you are a moron. There are other possibilities. They could have offered to admit her and SHE refused. But that conveniently doesn’t fit in with your agenda.
So go ahead and keep assuming you know exactly what happened at the hospital.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

I think you meant to say the hospital did nothing about it. Why didn’t they give her a d&c? Did they even tell her what to do if the fetus came out into the toilet?

Have you ever stuck your hand into a toilet bowl to fish out what just passed out of your vagina?

Well, IF WE WAIT FOR ALL THR FACTS TO COME OUT we will certainly know the answer to this question.

I don’t feel like I need to know “ALL THR FACTS” about this poor woman’s stillbirth and wish law enforcement had just left her alone like the handcuffed doctors did.

Really? What if they offered to admit her to deliver the baby in the hospital and she refused? What if they told her what to expect, and exactly what to do if she delivered the baby at home, and she did something else? What if she completely ignored all medical advice?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

So basically you do think women need to fish out their miscarriages from the toilet?

This is a still birth. Don't forget it. She should have called for help. Duh. Stop acting like you don't know the difference between a miscarriage and a stillbirth.

She did and was sent home.

Show me where it says she was sent home.

J/k. You can’t. BECAUSE IT DOESN’T SAY THAT

Was the toilet in the hospital? Because if it wasn’t, she was sent home.

Holy fu@kballs you are a moron. There are other possibilities. They could have offered to admit her and SHE refused. But that conveniently doesn’t fit in with your agenda.
So go ahead and keep assuming you know exactly what happened at the hospital.

Interesting that she went TWICE to the hospital if they had offered to admit her the first time and do a d&c.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why'd she leave it in the toilet?

So your daughter goes to the hospital, twice, and they tell her her fetus is dead. But they can't help because they'd be participating in (whatever crime) and send her home. So as many of us agree we would do, she sits on the toilet as she strains and labors and bleeds and makes a bloody mess. Plop, out comes the dead baby. (per google, Your baby, or foetus, is around 27.8cm long from head to toe. That's approximately the size of a sweet potato.)

So genius, what does your daughter do next? Hopefully she calls you in her moment of need. What do you tell her to do? Call 911? An undertaker? Fish it out? Keeping in mind that nowadays, this may be a crime scene. Can she interfere with a "crime scene"? Is it really safe for her to call public services for help? Should she fish it out and bury it in the backyard? Is that safe to do, what if someone sees? Fish it out and put it in the garbage? Please tell me, step by step, what the reasonable thing is to do.

I am so confused. Do you really not know the answer to these questions? Or this supposed to be some profound set of rhetorical questions? The answer is A) call 911. And yes, as long as she didn't take illegal and illicit drugs while pregnant, or something else to cause harm, which may show up when they autopsy the fetus, she would not be arrested. Despite your and others' assertions here, it is NOT and never will be illegal to have a stillbirth. What is and should be illegal is to harm a fetus in utero. But does your pro-abortion, my body my rights stance extend to doing whatever you want to your baby as long as it's in utero?

And by the way, nowhere, nowhere, does it say she was not given medical care. I was in early labor at 22 weeks as well, and sent home. You know what I didn't do when I went into real labor about 10 hours later? Deliver on a toilet and flush the baby. I went back to the hospital and delivered it there. It lived for about 45 minutes or so, then the hospital dealt with the remains. We have no clue what the real story is here.

You seem pretty self-righteous and quite frankly narcissistic. Your story is not this woman's story. You have no idea what she went through or what her mental state was. Or what the fetus looked like in a toilet bowl full of blood and pregnancy remnants. You were not there. Stop judging someone who went through a horror.

Neither do you. What you also don’t know is what exactly happened both times she went to the hospital. Did they give her options? Did they try to help her and she refused?

[Anonymous]

I had a live baby by myself and we were covered in blood and slippery goo. The baby survived but I was suffering from blood loss, confusion, and shock.

I can’t imagine charging someone who just lost their baby and was dealing with shock, blood loss, grief, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

So basically you do think women need to fish out their miscarriages from the toilet?

This is a still birth. Don't forget it. She should have called for help. Duh. Stop acting like you don't know the difference between a miscarriage and a stillbirth.

She did and was sent home.

Show me where it says she was sent home.

J/k. You can’t. BECAUSE IT DOESN’T SAY THAT

Was the toilet in the hospital? Because if it wasn’t, she was sent home.

Holy fu@kballs you are a moron. There are other possibilities. They could have offered to admit her and SHE refused. But that conveniently doesn’t fit in with your agenda.
So go ahead and keep assuming you know exactly what happened at the hospital.

Interesting that she went TWICE to the hospital if they had offered to admit her the first time and do a d&c.

A d&c isn’t the only option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a live baby by myself and we were covered in blood and slippery goo. The baby survived but I was suffering from blood loss, confusion, and shock.

I can’t imagine charging someone who just lost their baby and was dealing with shock, blood loss, grief, etc.

Again, read the thread. She went about her day, then came home to plunge the baby down the toilet. That's why police were called. She abused her dead baby corpse and that is why she was charged with "abuse of a corpse" a totally reasonable charge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us treatment and we're too poor to travel for better health care access? More than one woman had a similar experience in this thread, how many countless white women will have this experience and be treated with compassion versus this poor woman becoming a prosecution scape goat?

You guys are amazing making up lies on this thread. She went to the hospital twice was told both times it was not viable and she did nothing about it.

You changing the story here to fit your agenda is priceless. Anyone with a brain see right though all these posts.

You PP are a real piece of work. "Don't we all keep a toilet colander and silk lined tiny coffin at hand when doctors refuse us" REALLY, REALLY MENTALLY SICK.

So basically you do think women need to fish out their miscarriages from the toilet?

This is a still birth. Don't forget it. She should have called for help. Duh. Stop acting like you don't know the difference between a miscarriage and a stillbirth.

She did and was sent home.

Show me where it says she was sent home.

J/k. You can’t. BECAUSE IT DOESN’T SAY THAT

Was the toilet in the hospital? Because if it wasn’t, she was sent home.

Holy fu@kballs you are a moron. There are other possibilities. They could have offered to admit her and SHE refused. But that conveniently doesn’t fit in with your agenda.
So go ahead and keep assuming you know exactly what happened at the hospital.

So you think it is more likely that when they told her she had a dead baby inside her, they offered her a d and c, but she declined and decided to go home? Sure sounds legit.

But you are right, time will tell as the facts come out.