The PD video teachers must watch on Monday

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Anonymous wrote:Extra extra read all about it The Bible, hamarabis code, and 5000 years of human history has been doing treating crime incorrectly because mcps chicken head idea of letting criminals run wild was the correct protocol.

Yep. Eye for and eye. Spare the rod, spoil the child. We need more beatings and hands chopped off. That makes everything all right.

So you have no real suggestions for teachers and you have no real experience. Got it.

That's all you got from that hyperbole? Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Extra extra read all about it The Bible, hamarabis code, and 5000 years of human history has been doing treating crime incorrectly because mcps chicken head idea of letting criminals run wild was the correct protocol.

Yep. Eye for and eye. Spare the rod, spoil the child. We need more beatings and hands chopped off. That makes everything all right.

So you have no real suggestions for teachers and you have no real experience. Got it.

That's all you got from that hyperbole? Sorry.

Were you trying to make a point? Then make it. Teachers have enough people talking at them through hyperbole and outright falsehoods. Just make your point in clear language. That’s all we have time for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Extra extra read all about it The Bible, hamarabis code, and 5000 years of human history has been doing treating crime incorrectly because mcps chicken head idea of letting criminals run wild was the correct protocol.

Yep. Eye for and eye. Spare the rod, spoil the child. We need more beatings and hands chopped off. That makes everything all right.

So you have no real suggestions for teachers and you have no real experience. Got it.

That's all you got from that hyperbole? Sorry.

Cut the Cheshire Cat act and scram. Find something productive and substantive to do with your time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Extra extra read all about it The Bible, hamarabis code, and 5000 years of human history has been doing treating crime incorrectly because mcps chicken head idea of letting criminals run wild was the correct protocol.

Yep. Eye for and eye. Spare the rod, spoil the child. We need more beatings and hands chopped off. That makes everything all right.

So you have no real suggestions for teachers and you have no real experience. Got it.

That's all you got from that hyperbole? Sorry.

Were you trying to make a point? Then make it. Teachers have enough people talking at them through hyperbole and outright falsehoods. Just make your point in clear language. That’s all we have time for.

There are no simple solutions to societal problems, some of which manifest in classrooms. We do know retribution doesn't help, though. This PDO was just a small step of the overall efforts needed.

If you're looking for cookie-cutter solutions, go work in a bakery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Extra extra read all about it The Bible, hamarabis code, and 5000 years of human history has been doing treating crime incorrectly because mcps chicken head idea of letting criminals run wild was the correct protocol.

Yep. Eye for and eye. Spare the rod, spoil the child. We need more beatings and hands chopped off. That makes everything all right.

So you have no real suggestions for teachers and you have no real experience. Got it.

That's all you got from that hyperbole? Sorry.

Were you trying to make a point? Then make it. Teachers have enough people talking at them through hyperbole and outright falsehoods. Just make your point in clear language. That’s all we have time for.

There are no simple solutions to societal problems, some of which manifest in classrooms. We do know retribution doesn't help, though. This PDO was just a small step of the overall efforts needed.

If you're looking for cookie-cutter solutions, go work in a bakery.

You don’t see how this IS a cookie-cutter solution? No, this is NOT a small step toward improvement. Do you think there would be such a backlash if this had a glimmer of hope in it? People who teach are telling you this is crap.

Are you even a teacher? Answer that before we go any further.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Extra extra read all about it The Bible, hamarabis code, and 5000 years of human history has been doing treating crime incorrectly because mcps chicken head idea of letting criminals run wild was the correct protocol.

Yep. Eye for and eye. Spare the rod, spoil the child. We need more beatings and hands chopped off. That makes everything all right.

So you have no real suggestions for teachers and you have no real experience. Got it.

That's all you got from that hyperbole? Sorry.

Were you trying to make a point? Then make it. Teachers have enough people talking at them through hyperbole and outright falsehoods. Just make your point in clear language. That’s all we have time for.

There are no simple solutions to societal problems, some of which manifest in classrooms. We do know retribution doesn't help, though. This PDO was just a small step of the overall efforts needed.

If you're looking for cookie-cutter solutions, go work in a bakery.

In other words, what we've done in the past doesn't work, therefore, we should throw it away.

You don't know what will work, and if challenged, you throw your hands up and say the solutions aren't "cookie cutter."

Doesn't it stand to reason that you don't throw away the existing system until you've figured out a viable replacement?

And it is not a fact that "retribution" or "punishment" writ large don't work. Singapore has a VERY punitive culture and guess what? They're crime rate is non-existent.

"It has a crime rate of 847 offenses per 100,000 people as of 2021. It has a criminality score of 3.13 and is the 12th most crime-resilient country in the world."

SOURCE: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-20-countries-lowest-crime-083500316.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGZXUb7ZsQWaRjvPjLLMyhBb3zObcz9D8I7iM1nhzBdf352EsUwSWNdA01vq-pd4uSgqYsFvNTO-pID-_LFI0WxXf3G9EaBW1p3mcRx9ko9dB2napO2deqIWY8gtXJdVq3wbl-vHnrs099JfW0kM3vShUrtZFyiaso4wIHAMGd23

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Extra extra read all about it The Bible, hamarabis code, and 5000 years of human history has been doing treating crime incorrectly because mcps chicken head idea of letting criminals run wild was the correct protocol.

Yep. Eye for and eye. Spare the rod, spoil the child. We need more beatings and hands chopped off. That makes everything all right.

So you have no real suggestions for teachers and you have no real experience. Got it.

That's all you got from that hyperbole? Sorry.

Were you trying to make a point? Then make it. Teachers have enough people talking at them through hyperbole and outright falsehoods. Just make your point in clear language. That’s all we have time for.

There are no simple solutions to societal problems, some of which manifest in classrooms. We do know retribution doesn't help, though. This PDO was just a small step of the overall efforts needed.

If you're looking for cookie-cutter solutions, go work in a bakery.

In other words, what we've done in the past doesn't work, therefore, we should throw it away.

You don't know what will work, and if challenged, you throw your hands up and say the solutions aren't "cookie cutter."

Doesn't it stand to reason that you don't throw away the existing system until you've figured out a viable replacement?

And it is not a fact that "retribution" or "punishment" writ large don't work. Singapore has a VERY punitive culture and guess what? They're crime rate is non-existent.

"It has a crime rate of 847 offenses per 100,000 people as of 2021. It has a criminality score of 3.13 and is the 12th most crime-resilient country in the world."

SOURCE: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-20-countries-lowest-crime-083500316.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGZXUb7ZsQWaRjvPjLLMyhBb3zObcz9D8I7iM1nhzBdf352EsUwSWNdA01vq-pd4uSgqYsFvNTO-pID-_LFI0WxXf3G9EaBW1p3mcRx9ko9dB2napO2deqIWY8gtXJdVq3wbl-vHnrs099JfW0kM3vShUrtZFyiaso4wIHAMGd23

Yes, let's use an authoritarian state with minimal civil rights, as our example of low crime! LOL

[Anonymous]

My takeaway:

Student not sleeping well, care tell them to go to bed earlier.

Kindness go to their home and tuck them in!

Where is the line drawn???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway:

Student not sleeping well, care tell them to go to bed earlier.

Kindness go to their home and tuck them in!

Where is the line drawn???

It’s drawn when we all quit. Anybody else looking for other opportunities right now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway:

Student not sleeping well, care tell them to go to bed earlier.

Kindness go to their home and tuck them in!

Where is the line drawn???

It’s drawn when we all quit. Anybody else looking for other opportunities right now?

I think MCPS truly doesn’t care if our teachers all quit. They’ll just hire unqualified substitutes from other areas and from other parts of the world who are willing to work for cheaper. Over the past few years, there have been multiple initiatives where MCPS goes to other countries trying to hire ‘diverse’ teachers. They’ll double down on those efforts and spin it as a success.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason to be in person today to watch a stupid video other than MCPS' intent to micromanage us and make us feel like children. If adults knew how bad staff meetings were in terms of treating us like kids, imagine hearing "clap once if you can hear me, clap twice if you can hear me..." Most admin don't know how to lead ADULTS. My old corporate job and everyone else's I know, trust people to do their work at home if it can be done. Today absolutely did not require us to waste our time doing icebreakers and BS all to watch some ridiculous video.

If you'd watched the video, you'd know there are several breaks for discussion.

We had zero discussion time during the video. Had to fill out a capture sheet. Time to discuss afterwards briefly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason to be in person today to watch a stupid video other than MCPS' intent to micromanage us and make us feel like children. If adults knew how bad staff meetings were in terms of treating us like kids, imagine hearing "clap once if you can hear me, clap twice if you can hear me..." Most admin don't know how to lead ADULTS. My old corporate job and everyone else's I know, trust people to do their work at home if it can be done. Today absolutely did not require us to waste our time doing icebreakers and BS all to watch some ridiculous video.

If you'd watched the video, you'd know there are several breaks for discussion.

We had zero discussion time during the video. Had to fill out a capture sheet. Time to discuss afterwards briefly

What was the energy like in the room? Were people frustrated and exasperated by the presentation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no reason to be in person today to watch a stupid video other than MCPS' intent to micromanage us and make us feel like children. If adults knew how bad staff meetings were in terms of treating us like kids, imagine hearing "clap once if you can hear me, clap twice if you can hear me..." Most admin don't know how to lead ADULTS. My old corporate job and everyone else's I know, trust people to do their work at home if it can be done. Today absolutely did not require us to waste our time doing icebreakers and BS all to watch some ridiculous video.

If you'd watched the video, you'd know there are several breaks for discussion.

We had zero discussion time during the video. Had to fill out a capture sheet. Time to discuss afterwards briefly

What was the energy like in the room? Were people frustrated and exasperated by the presentation?

NP here. The capture sheet actually seemed to acknowledge the limitations of the video. It included what assumptions does the presenter make, what do we disagree with, what do we agree with, and what can we aspire to. It also seemed that the notes for our admin presenting included some acknowledgment of the problems in how the information was being presented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe I actually took 20 minutes out of my life to watch this train wreck. Holy Molu. Teachers I feel for you.

If I was expected to sit through an hour of perky “Carla” condescending to me like she does in this video, I swear I would get up and walk out of the room.

And no, sweetheart, the definition of “freedom” is not keeping people and their feelings “safe.”

Where in the hell do they find these people?

Here in Montgomery County!

No, she's on the faculty at U of Michigan
"Carla Shalaby's professional and personal commitment is to education as the practice of freedom, and her research centers on cultivating and documenting daily classroom work that protects the dignity of every child and honors young people’s rights to expression, to self-determination, and to full human being. Specifically, she is interested in practices of critical pedagogy and critical literacy at the elementary level; classroom community and "management" as the practice of democracy; and the relationships between the daily work of teachers and the ongoing struggle for justice. Carla previously served as director of the Elementary Master of Arts in Teaching program at Brown University, and as the director of elementary education at Wellesley College. She started her career as a teacher of grades four and five in her New Jersey hometown. Carla holds a B.A in English from Rutgers College, an M.Ed in Elementary Education from the Rutgers Graduate School of Education, and an M.A. and doctoral degree in Culture, Communities, and Education from the Harvard Graduate School of Education. She is the author of Troublemakers: Lessons in Freedom from Young Children at School (New Press, 2017)."

https://marsal.umich.edu/directory/faculty-staff/carla-shalaby

So very, very little actual teaching experience. Got it.

I think this is an interesting think piece for teachers in k-2. It’s not very useful for middle and high school teachers. And also probably not very helpful for teachers who are basically drowning right now. It’s not the time to have an interesting philosophical discussion about development theory. Maybe this would work better targeted to k-2 teachers as a summer session PD, paired with discussion among the grace level team about what they can see working in their classroom. Translating PhD theory to in the ground tools is often challenging. The fact that anyone at McPS thought it was a good piece to mandate for all teachers on their own call PD day is troubling.

I once had an education professor tell me he had a better grasp of K-12 education than I did, even though I had 15 years of full-time teaching experience and he had none. None. Zero.

He told me I was too clouded by the classroom to see the real problems within education, something that he was apparently able to see quite clearly from behind a desk at a university.

That professor and the woman from page 1 of this thread have something in common: they aren’t teachers. They get to comfortably speak in theory, but those of us in practice have already moved beyond cute theories to actually having to do the work.

It’s insulting, really, when people who have little to no experience tell US what we should be doing. Trust me: teachers see right through this crap.

Did you keep an open mind, that your 15 years of experience might not be the be all and end all of education? Or were you as dismissive as you seem to be in your post?

I try to keep and open mind and learn new things that make me better in the classroom.

Now mind your spot.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Stuck in your ways.

I’m the PP with the obnoxious professor. I’m not the one who wrote “now mind your spot.”

Of course I kept an open mind, and then he spent the next month spewing nonsense about how easy teaching is and how teachers are just too lazy to do things correctly.

I wonder… did HE keep an open mind? Did HE consider that there was something a person with actual k-12 experience could teach him? No, he did not. He went so far as to tell me that. Mr. PhD had all the solutions and all the theory, but none of the practice. He dismissed those with the practice as unqualified, ironically.

So before you assume I’m just one more close-minded teacher, ask yourself why his opinion immediately seemed more valuable to you than mine.

YESSS +100! What an abusive response to your post. I have worked with so many PhDs that are so disconnected with reality. There is a difference between book smart and 'street smart'. We are in the trenches. Would you tell a soldier what to do in the middle of battle as an outsider sitting in a cushy office? How INSULTING. I'm so sick of the narrative that everything is OUR FAULT. GTFO. I have the absolute worst kids I have ever had this year - I transferred into a new school (to me). Apparently, this group of kids has been really tough to work with for the past two years. But apparently "I" - being new to the school and having to build brand new relationships - need to do better so the kids listen. I was going to quit last year but I really wanted to keep my benefits because my child was in treatment. I hate this profession right now. I took off tomorrow. My time is too valuable to be told I'm doing things wrong constantly.

Good for you! I’m glad you took tomorrow off. You’ll be better for it.

Education isn’t going to improve until people who actually teach are in charge. Nothing is going to get better if we keep listening to people with little to no teaching experience. It’s absurd.

IKR! We need to start smacking with rulers and paddles again. Make sure the kids know who's in charge. Who cares what the researchers say!

Oops, you tried. You failed, but you tried.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the type of propaganda that is meant to make teachers feel bad for not donating more work time for free for misbehaving miscreants. The fact that the union or admin doesn't get off their fat button and support teachers is pathetic. Also, it's a way that they can give all misbehavior a pass and if a teacher manages with consequences everyone can call them racist, homophopic, insensitive etc. It gives blame for teachers not being good enough. Then the system will blame them, give teachers negative consequences, non renew them, lie to dllr unemployment etc. It's a broken system and the people that broke it are running it without any accountability.

Give it a rest already.

If you don’t like other people’s responses, feel free to exit the thread. Bye!