2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:How does DCUM feel about Chicago being out of the top 10 in all major US rankings now (USNWR, WSJ, Forbes)? It has been a magnet for DC area students, especially from particular private schools where a number of kids were applying ED2.

Does it make applying ED2 to Hopkins looks a little better now?

Ranking changes do not change actual prestige. The tail does not wag the dog. US News is getting sillier and sillier.

USNEWS said it themselves in this article, which also outlines updates to methodology: https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/articles/2023-08-25/2024-best-colleges-rankings-coming-sept-18

Changes in methodology will induce changes in rank. There tend to be smaller changes in rank among those schools that typically place toward the very top or very bottom of the rankings. That's because their separation from most other schools insulates them somewhat from adjustments in methodological approach. In contrast, schools with data that resembles the breadth of other schools – which typically place toward the middle of the rankings, tied with several others – tend to incur changes that are larger in scale.

Bottom line, elite schools will remain in the top 20...they'll continue to shift around year to year, but they are typically reliably always ranked highly because they have the breadth of qualities needed to stay there.

Or is the arbitrary cutoff top 15 or 25 or 30?
There are not too many schools that are in even the top 25 of the recent USNWR, WSJ, and Forbes rankings this year.
Even Brown, Willams, Chicago, Notre Dame, CalTech, Pomona, and Hopkins wouldn't make it for all 3.
Not surprising that HYPSM are highly ranked in all 3. Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Georgetown, and USC also make the top 25 in all 3 rankings.
For LACs, only Amherst and Swarthmore are in the top 25 of all 3 (Forbes and WSJ rank LACs in with national universities).

There are not too many schools that rank consistently high regardless of methodology changes.

USC isn't top 25. I believe Vandy made T25 for all 3.

Yes, Vandy did! It surprises me that more people don't use Vandy as a great ED2 option in the DC area.
USC did fall out of the top 25 this year in USNWR!
Only 15 schools make the T25 for the 3 lists: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Georgetown, Amherst, Swarthmore, and Vanderbilt.

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this is fake. This isnt the latest ranking. Someone is fooing us

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame remains in top 20 despite the constant chatter that they will be knocked down lol.

It will as the swell to get of legacy admissions continues.

LOL just like every other elite top 20. It's not going anywhere below where it is. It hasn't for decades. I know that triggers you lol.

Uh no. Many of them like UVA have already dropped it. And while we are on the topic of Notre Dame let’s discuss it’s abysmal 3.3% black student population (and don’t try comparing it to the UV schools -we stomped you on that last time)

Like I said, despite its lackluster diversity, it still remains a top 20 school. They must be doing something right! And it has been in top 20 since the 90s, but nice try.

Shameful diversity statistics. I notice you didn’t address that. How do justify that? And legacy? Within a Christian mission?

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Anonymous wrote:LAC rankings out as well. Service academies all rose, general moderate shuffling among the others but maybe no giant leaps or drops.

Actually I just noticed one – Soka dropped fairly far. That shows that US News is maybe valuing endowments less this time around.

Service academies should be excluded from these rankings IMO.

Who cares. They’ve been in there since 1983

And? They are service academies, not LACs.

Guess you're one of those "we've always done it this way!" dolts.

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Anonymous wrote:How does DCUM feel about Chicago being out of the top 10 in all major US rankings now (USNWR, WSJ, Forbes)? It has been a magnet for DC area students, especially from particular private schools where a number of kids were applying ED2.

Does it make applying ED2 to Hopkins looks a little better now?

Ranking changes do not change actual prestige. The tail does not wag the dog. US News is getting sillier and sillier.

USNEWS said it themselves in this article, which also outlines updates to methodology: https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/articles/2023-08-25/2024-best-colleges-rankings-coming-sept-18

Changes in methodology will induce changes in rank. There tend to be smaller changes in rank among those schools that typically place toward the very top or very bottom of the rankings. That's because their separation from most other schools insulates them somewhat from adjustments in methodological approach. In contrast, schools with data that resembles the breadth of other schools – which typically place toward the middle of the rankings, tied with several others – tend to incur changes that are larger in scale.

Bottom line, elite schools will remain in the top 20...they'll continue to shift around year to year, but they are typically reliably always ranked highly because they have the breadth of qualities needed to stay there.

Or is the arbitrary cutoff top 15 or 25 or 30?
There are not too many schools that are in even the top 25 of the recent USNWR, WSJ, and Forbes rankings this year.
Even Brown, Willams, Chicago, Notre Dame, CalTech, Pomona, and Hopkins wouldn't make it for all 3.
Not surprising that HYPSM are highly ranked in all 3. Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Georgetown, and USC also make the top 25 in all 3 rankings.
For LACs, only Amherst and Swarthmore are in the top 25 of all 3 (Forbes and WSJ rank LACs in with national universities).

There are not too many schools that rank consistently high regardless of methodology changes.

USC isn't top 25. I believe Vandy made T25 for all 3.

Yes, Vandy did! It surprises me that more people don't use Vandy as a great ED2 option in the DC area.
USC did fall out of the top 25 this year in USNWR!
Only 15 schools make the T25 for the 3 lists: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Penn, Duke, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell, Georgetown, Amherst, Swarthmore, and Vanderbilt.

Vandy is not a great ED option because it’s ED acceptance rate is low, about 16 percent.

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I am very nervous for WashU next year. Not looking good for them. Looking at the metrics there's not much they can improve on except social mobility and reputation scores. The harderst metrics to move.

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Anonymous wrote:I am very nervous for WashU next year. Not looking good for them. Looking at the metrics there's not much they can improve on except social mobility and reputation scores. The harderst metrics to move.

WashU is in the top 25! Emory and CMU are not shabby peers. I don't see it as being below any arbitrary cutoff for great schools.

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Anonymous wrote:LAC rankings out as well. Service academies all rose, general moderate shuffling among the others but maybe no giant leaps or drops.

Actually I just noticed one – Soka dropped fairly far. That shows that US News is maybe valuing endowments less this time around.

Service academies should be excluded from these rankings IMO.

Who cares. They’ve been in there since 1983

And? They are service academies, not LACs.

Guess you're one of those "we've always done it this way!" dolts.

Do you bully and use such words IRL? What university did you graduate from?

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Anonymous wrote:UC Davis is very hot. I get that the DCUM crowd isn't aware, but it's a very good school.

Now that’s a mystery. I’m from so Cal. You didn’t go there unless you had no other options

you mean back in our day? yeah. but in last 10 years, it's totally different.

UC Davis? Come on!!!

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Northeastern drop from 44 to 53. Whoops.

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I would have expected that more than 1/2 of modern military academy grads receive non-liberal arts degrees (primarily in eng fields).
There is something to be said about getting paid to attend school and having a solid career lined up post graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:Northeastern drop from 44 to 53. Whoops.

Not a NE fan, but every private outside the T10 dropped except for Lehigh, which apparently somehow benefitted from U S News devaluing or dropping criteria like class size, test scores, alumni engagement, etc. . .

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Anonymous wrote:UNC that is.

UNC takes less than 8.2% from OOS so basically an irrelevant school here on DCUM. UVA, which rose, takes 26 to 27% from OOS and International

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Anonymous wrote:I am very nervous for WashU next year. Not looking good for them. Looking at the metrics there's not much they can improve on except social mobility and reputation scores. The harderst metrics to move.

WashU is in the top 25! Emory and CMU are not shabby peers. I don't see it as being below any arbitrary cutoff for great schools.

I know but is the Bleeding over if you fall 9 spots in 1 year?

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Anonymous wrote:I am very nervous for WashU next year. Not looking good for them. Looking at the metrics there's not much they can improve on except social mobility and reputation scores. The harderst metrics to move.

WashU is in the top 25! Emory and CMU are not shabby peers. I don't see it as being below any arbitrary cutoff for great schools.

I know but is the Bleeding over if you fall 9 spots in 1 year?

All the moves by individual schools mean nothing thus year. US News got rid of the criteria I actually thought was important— class size, highest degree held by faculty, alumni engagement, class rank of incoming students (and decreased importanceof test scores). I guess it’s only fitting that the ratings now are solidly based on criteria other than objective measures of academic quality, mirroring the path admissions themselves has taken in the past few years.