Teacher not following accommodations

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, kids get accommodations and IEPs because they are needed ( and I know now 5 people will say they know someone who made up adhd and gets extra time). It’s really a systemic school system issue which again goes back to funding and proper staffing and even lack of appropriate instruction at early ages for a lot of kids. It’s so pointless to say kids shouldn’t get this or that. There is a tremendously difficult process needed to get an IEP, please don’t blame these kids for their needs. Yes the entire system is messed up, why don’t we work on it as a whole instead of segregating kids even more.

They should get support to learn info but it’s extremely unfair that it is then compared as apples to apples with the kids not getting those supports.

Is the root issue here, if you have two kids, one gets 50 percent more time, and both are taking an advanced government class, is your concern they look the same to colleges? Is this really a college admissions issue for most parents?
Now is it any different in your mind if a dyslexic kid with an IEP gets audio delivery of material? Is that unfair too? Or someone with a math disability using a calculator?I’m trying understand the concern, truly.

Yes re: college. The kids needing supports are not really doing the same thing. Out of the examples no issues with audio delivery for dyslexia as I find it hard to see that as an advantage over fluent readers but having more time and a calculator are huge advantages over kids accessing the curriculum the normal way.

This is in incorrect way to think about any accommodations. They do not provide “advantages.” They simply level the playing field so that those with disabilities can also access the curriculum. Your kid doesn’t have a disability.

Having a calculator for a math class - especially an arithmetic class - is not "leveling the playing field" - it provides an advantage.

There is no such thing as an arithmetic class. You don’t know the reasons or in what circumstances calculators are allowed for the kids. Often times, calculators are allowed for all. There aren’t any assessments that are strictly arithmetic. Mostly concept based.

Concept-based, no? The majority of math test would like you to find a numeric answer.

You’re not getting it. Here’s an example. You can show you understand the concept of area because you multiply length by width. It doesn’t matter if you use a calculator to get the numerical answer. You still understand the concept of area.

It works like this for a lot of advanced math as well. Calculators are actually encouraged in lots of situations in math. They don’t want kids wasting time on thinks like long division in upper level math.

You may know the formula, but if you never get the correct answer than what’s the point?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, kids get accommodations and IEPs because they are needed ( and I know now 5 people will say they know someone who made up adhd and gets extra time). It’s really a systemic school system issue which again goes back to funding and proper staffing and even lack of appropriate instruction at early ages for a lot of kids. It’s so pointless to say kids shouldn’t get this or that. There is a tremendously difficult process needed to get an IEP, please don’t blame these kids for their needs. Yes the entire system is messed up, why don’t we work on it as a whole instead of segregating kids even more.

They should get support to learn info but it’s extremely unfair that it is then compared as apples to apples with the kids not getting those supports.

Is the root issue here, if you have two kids, one gets 50 percent more time, and both are taking an advanced government class, is your concern they look the same to colleges? Is this really a college admissions issue for most parents?
Now is it any different in your mind if a dyslexic kid with an IEP gets audio delivery of material? Is that unfair too? Or someone with a math disability using a calculator?I’m trying understand the concern, truly.

Yes re: college. The kids needing supports are not really doing the same thing. Out of the examples no issues with audio delivery for dyslexia as I find it hard to see that as an advantage over fluent readers but having more time and a calculator are huge advantages over kids accessing the curriculum the normal way.

This is in incorrect way to think about any accommodations. They do not provide “advantages.” They simply level the playing field so that those with disabilities can also access the curriculum. Your kid doesn’t have a disability.

Having a calculator for a math class - especially an arithmetic class - is not "leveling the playing field" - it provides an advantage.

There is no such thing as an arithmetic class. You don’t know the reasons or in what circumstances calculators are allowed for the kids. Often times, calculators are allowed for all. There aren’t any assessments that are strictly arithmetic. Mostly concept based.

Concept-based, no? The majority of math test would like you to find a numeric answer.

You’re not getting it. Here’s an example. You can show you understand the concept of area because you multiply length by width. It doesn’t matter if you use a calculator to get the numerical answer. You still understand the concept of area.

It works like this for a lot of advanced math as well. Calculators are actually encouraged in lots of situations in math. They don’t want kids wasting time on thinks like long division in upper level math.

You may know the formula, but if you never get the correct answer than what’s the point?

The point is you know how to figure out the area of a figure. To prevent careless errors, you use a calculator to help.

Cash registers - they add up the totals for everyone. Why don’t we have clerks totaling by hand? In real life there are so many situations where calculators are appropriate. This goes for math as well. I doubt your regular, non disabled child has been harmed by some elementary schooler with special needs using a calculator. Using a Caligula or is usually reserved for only certain situations as well. I’ve seen it with IEPs but not with 504s.

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Hmm...I think that using a "Caligula" would be inappropriate at all levels of student math classes (giggle!)

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, kids get accommodations and IEPs because they are needed ( and I know now 5 people will say they know someone who made up adhd and gets extra time). It’s really a systemic school system issue which again goes back to funding and proper staffing and even lack of appropriate instruction at early ages for a lot of kids. It’s so pointless to say kids shouldn’t get this or that. There is a tremendously difficult process needed to get an IEP, please don’t blame these kids for their needs. Yes the entire system is messed up, why don’t we work on it as a whole instead of segregating kids even more.

They should get support to learn info but it’s extremely unfair that it is then compared as apples to apples with the kids not getting those supports.

Is the root issue here, if you have two kids, one gets 50 percent more time, and both are taking an advanced government class, is your concern they look the same to colleges? Is this really a college admissions issue for most parents?
Now is it any different in your mind if a dyslexic kid with an IEP gets audio delivery of material? Is that unfair too? Or someone with a math disability using a calculator?I’m trying understand the concern, truly.

Yes re: college. The kids needing supports are not really doing the same thing. Out of the examples no issues with audio delivery for dyslexia as I find it hard to see that as an advantage over fluent readers but having more time and a calculator are huge advantages over kids accessing the curriculum the normal way.

This is in incorrect way to think about any accommodations. They do not provide “advantages.” They simply level the playing field so that those with disabilities can also access the curriculum. Your kid doesn’t have a disability.

Having a calculator for a math class - especially an arithmetic class - is not "leveling the playing field" - it provides an advantage.

There is no such thing as an arithmetic class. You don’t know the reasons or in what circumstances calculators are allowed for the kids. Often times, calculators are allowed for all. There aren’t any assessments that are strictly arithmetic. Mostly concept based.

Concept-based, no? The majority of math test would like you to find a numeric answer.

You’re not getting it. Here’s an example. You can show you understand the concept of area because you multiply length by width. It doesn’t matter if you use a calculator to get the numerical answer. You still understand the concept of area.

It works like this for a lot of advanced math as well. Calculators are actually encouraged in lots of situations in math. They don’t want kids wasting time on thinks like long division in upper level math.

You may know the formula, but if you never get the correct answer than what’s the point?

The point is you know how to figure out the area of a figure. To prevent careless errors, you use a calculator to help.

Cash registers - they add up the totals for everyone. Why don’t we have clerks totaling by hand? In real life there are so many situations where calculators are appropriate. This goes for math as well. I doubt your regular, non disabled child has been harmed by some elementary schooler with special needs using a calculator. Using a Caligula or is usually reserved for only certain situations as well. I’ve seen it with IEPs but not with 504s.

We were at a store this weekend where power and the internet were down. They couldn’t take credit cards and the clerks were adding everything up by hand and making change by hand. I understand that we have tools that complete a lot of tasks but those tools don’t mean that we shouldn’t understand how to do the work without the tool.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, kids get accommodations and IEPs because they are needed ( and I know now 5 people will say they know someone who made up adhd and gets extra time). It’s really a systemic school system issue which again goes back to funding and proper staffing and even lack of appropriate instruction at early ages for a lot of kids. It’s so pointless to say kids shouldn’t get this or that. There is a tremendously difficult process needed to get an IEP, please don’t blame these kids for their needs. Yes the entire system is messed up, why don’t we work on it as a whole instead of segregating kids even more.

They should get support to learn info but it’s extremely unfair that it is then compared as apples to apples with the kids not getting those supports.

Is the root issue here, if you have two kids, one gets 50 percent more time, and both are taking an advanced government class, is your concern they look the same to colleges? Is this really a college admissions issue for most parents?
Now is it any different in your mind if a dyslexic kid with an IEP gets audio delivery of material? Is that unfair too? Or someone with a math disability using a calculator?I’m trying understand the concern, truly.

Yes re: college. The kids needing supports are not really doing the same thing. Out of the examples no issues with audio delivery for dyslexia as I find it hard to see that as an advantage over fluent readers but having more time and a calculator are huge advantages over kids accessing the curriculum the normal way.

This is in incorrect way to think about any accommodations. They do not provide “advantages.” They simply level the playing field so that those with disabilities can also access the curriculum. Your kid doesn’t have a disability.

Having a calculator for a math class - especially an arithmetic class - is not "leveling the playing field" - it provides an advantage.

There is no such thing as an arithmetic class. You don’t know the reasons or in what circumstances calculators are allowed for the kids. Often times, calculators are allowed for all. There aren’t any assessments that are strictly arithmetic. Mostly concept based.

Concept-based, no? The majority of math test would like you to find a numeric answer.

You’re not getting it. Here’s an example. You can show you understand the concept of area because you multiply length by width. It doesn’t matter if you use a calculator to get the numerical answer. You still understand the concept of area.

It works like this for a lot of advanced math as well. Calculators are actually encouraged in lots of situations in math. They don’t want kids wasting time on thinks like long division in upper level math.

You may know the formula, but if you never get the correct answer than what’s the point?

The point is you know how to figure out the area of a figure. To prevent careless errors, you use a calculator to help.

Cash registers - they add up the totals for everyone. Why don’t we have clerks totaling by hand? In real life there are so many situations where calculators are appropriate. This goes for math as well. I doubt your regular, non disabled child has been harmed by some elementary schooler with special needs using a calculator. Using a Caligula or is usually reserved for only certain situations as well. I’ve seen it with IEPs but not with 504s.

If you can’t find the area without using a calculator, then you clearly don’t understand the “concept” of multiplying whole numbers, decimals, and/or fractions.

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The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

Again, read and educate yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

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I have empathy. And the kids should get supports. But getting an A when you had 50% more time plus a calculator on a math test vs. a kid in the exact same class who did not have those supports feels unfair. Simple as that. They aren't doing the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

+1
I have empathy. And the kids should get supports. But getting an A when you had 50% more time plus a calculator on a math test vs. a kid in the exact same class who did not have those supports feels unfair. Simple as that. They aren't doing the same thing.

Oh I get it, they should get supports as long as they still get a lower grade than your kid and aren’t competition for your kids at college. I completely understand your point of view.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

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I have empathy. And the kids should get supports. But getting an A when you had 50% more time plus a calculator on a math test vs. a kid in the exact same class who did not have those supports feels unfair. Simple as that. They aren't doing the same thing.

Oh I get it, they should get supports as long as they still get a lower grade than your kid and aren’t competition for your kids at college. I completely understand your point of view.

So, you think your child should get an "A" like kids that get the "A" without extra time or tools?

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

+1
I have empathy. And the kids should get supports. But getting an A when you had 50% more time plus a calculator on a math test vs. a kid in the exact same class who did not have those supports feels unfair. Simple as that. They aren't doing the same thing.

Oh I get it, they should get supports as long as they still get a lower grade than your kid and aren’t competition for your kids at college. I completely understand your point of view.

So, you think your child should get an "A" like kids that get the "A" without extra time or tools?

What do you think a learning disability means? Do you just think it’s a lack of effort? Do you think they don’t deserve accommodations? It’s neurobiological in origin, meaning it’s the way their brain is “ wired”. While this isn’t a completely accurate analogy, it’s like saying don’t let kids wear glasses, let them do the best they can without them. Does that make anymore sense to you? The accommodations are based on actual needs as supported by science and studying the learning differences. Did you know kids with learning differences can have an exceptionally high IQ? I’m not worried about my kid, she will be fine in spite of people like you in the world. I guarantee she is more resilient than 95% percent of kids bc we encounter people like you all of the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

+1
I have empathy. And the kids should get supports. But getting an A when you had 50% more time plus a calculator on a math test vs. a kid in the exact same class who did not have those supports feels unfair. Simple as that. They aren't doing the same thing.

Oh I get it, they should get supports as long as they still get a lower grade than your kid and aren’t competition for your kids at college. I completely understand your point of view.

So, you think your child should get an "A" like kids that get the "A" without extra time or tools?

What do you think a learning disability means? Do you just think it’s a lack of effort? Do you think they don’t deserve accommodations? It’s neurobiological in origin, meaning it’s the way their brain is “ wired”. While this isn’t a completely accurate analogy, it’s like saying don’t let kids wear glasses, let them do the best they can without them. Does that make anymore sense to you? The accommodations are based on actual needs as supported by science and studying the learning differences. Did you know kids with learning differences can have an exceptionally high IQ? I’m not worried about my kid, she will be fine in spite of people like you in the world. I guarantee she is more resilient than 95% percent of kids bc we encounter people like you all of the time.

That is good. Resilience is something that is badly needed in today's society. However, what does an "A" mean? It used to mean that you were among the top in the class with mastery of the material learned. If you cannot perform the tasks within the allotted time and without extra tools, do you have the same mastery?

Do you want a doctor who needs extra time and tools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

+1
I have empathy. And the kids should get supports. But getting an A when you had 50% more time plus a calculator on a math test vs. a kid in the exact same class who did not have those supports feels unfair. Simple as that. They aren't doing the same thing.

Oh I get it, they should get supports as long as they still get a lower grade than your kid and aren’t competition for your kids at college. I completely understand your point of view.

So, you think your child should get an "A" like kids that get the "A" without extra time or tools?

I don’t think your kind is open regarding this subject and again, it’s not surprising.

And I can 100 percent guarantee there are tons of doctors with learning disabilities.


What do you think a learning disability means? Do you just think it’s a lack of effort? Do you think they don’t deserve accommodations? It’s neurobiological in origin, meaning it’s the way their brain is “ wired”. While this isn’t a completely accurate analogy, it’s like saying don’t let kids wear glasses, let them do the best they can without them. Does that make anymore sense to you? The accommodations are based on actual needs as supported by science and studying the learning differences. Did you know kids with learning differences can have an exceptionally high IQ? I’m not worried about my kid, she will be fine in spite of people like you in the world. I guarantee she is more resilient than 95% percent of kids bc we encounter people like you all of the time.

That is good. Resilience is something that is badly needed in today's society. However, what does an "A" mean? It used to mean that you were among the top in the class with mastery of the material learned. If you cannot perform the tasks within the allotted time and without extra tools, do you have the same mastery?

Do you want a doctor who needs extra time and tools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The lack of understanding of learning disabilities on this thread is a bit much. Look up dyscalculia and read, maybe people can learn something and who knows, develop an ounce of empathy for others.

Empathy is fine. Getting excellent grades without being able to do the work is confusing to lots of people.

+1
I have empathy. And the kids should get supports. But getting an A when you had 50% more time plus a calculator on a math test vs. a kid in the exact same class who did not have those supports feels unfair. Simple as that. They aren't doing the same thing.

Oh I get it, they should get supports as long as they still get a lower grade than your kid and aren’t competition for your kids at college. I completely understand your point of view.

So, you think your child should get an "A" like kids that get the "A" without extra time or tools?

What do you think a learning disability means? Do you just think it’s a lack of effort? Do you think they don’t deserve accommodations? It’s neurobiological in origin, meaning it’s the way their brain is “ wired”. While this isn’t a completely accurate analogy, it’s like saying don’t let kids wear glasses, let them do the best they can without them. Does that make anymore sense to you? The accommodations are based on actual needs as supported by science and studying the learning differences. Did you know kids with learning differences can have an exceptionally high IQ? I’m not worried about my kid, she will be fine in spite of people like you in the world. I guarantee she is more resilient than 95% percent of kids bc we encounter people like you all of the time.

no, it's not at all like glasses. Glasses would be comparable to the audio readers to help dyslexics - something that kids that don't have that disability don't need/want as they can just read the text. Likewise giving all the kids glasses wouldn't help the kids who don't need them do better.

Calculators and extra time are not the same because giving them to all kids would create a level playing field; giving them to only some kids gives those specific kids advantages that other kids don't have.