Woodward Boundary Study discussion at next BoE meeting

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

They made some interesting points kind of... In MCPS many of the wealthiest areas have schools that are in the greatest disrepair and the staff is pretty much the same everywhere since they hire from the same pool.

Citation needed.

https://woottoncommonsense.com/11901/opinion/mcps-allocates-40-million-to-new-boxlight-screens-while-no-building-renovations-in-sight/

MCPS allocates $40 million to new Boxlight screens while no building renovations in sight

You are walking through Wootton, one of the top 10 high schools in Maryland and you see a moldy, crumbling ceiling or exposed pipes. Students have been complaining about the old and outdated features for years, yet the school has not seen a renovation or update in almost 20 years. Recently, MCPS has spent upwards of $40 million purchasing new Boxlight screens for classrooms, but a stable fund or a plan for renovations and upgrades is still nowhere in sight.

Without new renovations, the safety of students also becomes more and more compromised. Soon enough, certain classes and areas of the school will become unusable and simply unsafe for students and staff. In the weight room, for example, there are multiple collapsed ceiling tiles, clumps of dust and chunks of what seems to be broken ceiling parts laying around the room. When students feel like the environment that they learn in is unsafe and potentially life-threatening, they won’t want to come to school at all and will even feel let down and uncared for by the staff.

INCOMPETENCE!!!!! MCPS Central Office, BoE and McKnight NEED TO BE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!

If any of that "dust" turns out to be asbestos material, I hope the EPA starts charging MCPS staff members for criminal building code violations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder that school boundaries wouldn’t be such a blood sport if MCPS delivered the same product at each location and addressed safety issues across the district. We all know these schools aren’t equal but we pretend they are because many people on this board directly benefit from the inequality.

The only people who pretend the schools are equal are people in lesser schools. The high SES schools know better than anybody the differences. The muddled middle has a lot of parity, save a special program or two most of the DCC are about the same.

Actually, no the only people who pretend they're significantly different are misguided. The same opportunities exist at most every school. The same kid can get the exact same education at almost any MCPS school. Yes, there are minor differences in standardized test averages which stem largely from differences in demographics, but that's not the same thing as good. Why a student does well isn't so much the school but largely parental involvement which unfortunately isn't something the county can change.

tell me you go to a DCC or NCC school without saying it that is like saying all burger joints are the same because they all serve burgers and fires. the clientele, Facilites and the staff make all the difference. There are some restaurants most of us would never go in because of the people who frequent them, same could be said of some of the lower SES schools. If youre happy more power to you, I have one kid in a W and one in Private and I can tell you many W parents aren't super happy with MoCo either

Wait, are you saying that there are some restaurants you won't go to because poor people eat there too? Really? Please don't kid yourself that most people are messed up like that, that's ALL you...

They made some interesting points kind of... In MCPS many of the wealthiest areas have schools that are in the greatest disrepair and the staff is pretty much the same everywhere since they hire from the same pool.

Citation needed.

https://woottoncommonsense.com/11901/opinion/mcps-allocates-40-million-to-new-boxlight-screens-while-no-building-renovations-in-sight/

MCPS allocates $40 million to new Boxlight screens while no building renovations in sight

You are walking through Wootton, one of the top 10 high schools in Maryland and you see a moldy, crumbling ceiling or exposed pipes. Students have been complaining about the old and outdated features for years, yet the school has not seen a renovation or update in almost 20 years. Recently, MCPS has spent upwards of $40 million purchasing new Boxlight screens for classrooms, but a stable fund or a plan for renovations and upgrades is still nowhere in sight.

Without new renovations, the safety of students also becomes more and more compromised. Soon enough, certain classes and areas of the school will become unusable and simply unsafe for students and staff. In the weight room, for example, there are multiple collapsed ceiling tiles, clumps of dust and chunks of what seems to be broken ceiling parts laying around the room. When students feel like the environment that they learn in is unsafe and potentially life-threatening, they won’t want to come to school at all and will even feel let down and uncared for by the staff.

INCOMPETENCE!!!!! MCPS Central Office, BoE and McKnight NEED TO BE FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!

If any of that "dust" turns out to be asbestos material, I hope the EPA starts charging MCPS staff members for criminal building code violations.

You sound a little unhinged. Take a deep breath. Walk away from the computer.

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^^ with over 200 buildings in the system, there are always schools at the top of the list for needing renovations (right now, Wootton HS, Damascus HS and Eastern MS come to mind). They will get renovated, eventually. Right now there are 3 brand new HSs about to be built (Northwood, Crown, Woodward), at a cost of $170+ million each.

There's only so much in the CIP budget, and those 3 new HSs have all already been delayed from when they were supposed to open. Ask Northwood families about that school reopening over TWENTY years ago on paint and a prayer - generations went to a dilapidated school. Ask the Crown community about the land that was donated, and if they didn't start building now, it would revert back to the developers. And ask the DCC and WJ families how long they've been fighting for relief from overcrowding (also ten+ years). And not a little overcrowding, A LOT of overcrowding. Just pull up the CIP data if you're interested in actual numbers.

And then there's Poolesville HS. They were up at the top of the list with needing a renno, but then they ran a coordinated campaign, and you know, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Well, the Poolesville communiry squeaked loud and often, and got a few crumbs (and weren't happy with what they got, wanted more).

Does it suck to be at the top of the queue to be renovated? Yes. It sucks more to be 7th or 8th in the queue, because your children will be long gone before it happens. It also sucks if you're at the top of the queue right now, when there are 3 high schools about to be opened.

[Anonymous]

We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Potentially sure, but unlikely. Honestly, nobody knows, but based on the study they did, I'd expect about a 10% shift around the edges of existing boundaries to help address overcrowding and better use existing resources. If you want to play it safe, they've said changes would not impact families within a school walk zone. Anyway, just use common sense. If you are at an overcrowded school and close to the edge of boundary shared with an undercrowded school, you may get moved but otherwise, probably not.

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

It will not be a lottery. For the Woodward study, MCPS has said they will use the existing elementary school zones as units for potential reassignment. So, a whole ES could possibly be moved to a different MS and/or HS, but all that ES's kids would be moved together and would stay at that ES together. So if your ES is on the edge of a cluster boundary, it's more likely the school could be reassigned to the adjacent cluster. If your ES zone includes the MS or HS buildings, it's not likely to be reassigned.

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

It will not be a lottery. For the Woodward study, MCPS has said they will use the existing elementary school zones as units for potential reassignment. So, a whole ES could possibly be moved to a different MS and/or HS, but all that ES's kids would be moved together and would stay at that ES together. So if your ES is on the edge of a cluster boundary, it's more likely the school could be reassigned to the adjacent cluster. If your ES zone includes the MS or HS buildings, it's not likely to be reassigned.

So, for Whitman, if you're in the Burning Tree zone, I'd say you're almost certainly not going to be reassigned away from Pyle or Whitman.

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Whitman, Wootton and Churchill clusters will hire lawyers and fight any changes to their sacred boundary changes. And MCPS and the board will cave in out of fear.

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Whitman, Wootton and Churchill clusters will hire lawyers and fight any changes to their sacred boundary changes. And MCPS and the board will cave in out of fear.

Should also add BCC to the list of sacred boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Whitman, Wootton and Churchill clusters will hire lawyers and fight any changes to their sacred boundary changes. And MCPS and the board will cave in out of fear.

Should add BCC to the list of sacred boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Whitman, Wootton and Churchill clusters will hire lawyers and fight any changes to their sacred boundary changes. And MCPS and the board will cave in out of fear.

Should add BCC to the list of sacred boundaries.

These are the boundaries in greatest need of reform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Whitman, Wootton and Churchill clusters will hire lawyers and fight any changes to their sacred boundary changes. And MCPS and the board will cave in out of fear.

Should add BCC to the list of sacred boundaries.

These are the boundaries in greatest need of reform.

greed

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Whitman, Wootton and Churchill clusters will hire lawyers and fight any changes to their sacred boundary changes. And MCPS and the board will cave in out of fear.

Those are the most segregated schools in the county. These days they will loose bigly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We will be moving to the area from out of state. We will likely be renting a house in the Whitman neighborhood. Will this new study on boundries affect where my child will go to school? I’m not understanding really what changes will happen to kids living in the neighborhood of their assigned school. What will determine which kids go to which schools? Will it be a lottery? I’m genuinely curious. I would not love the idea of my kid living close to a school but assigned to one that would mean a 30-40 minute bus ride to a different school. Is this a real possibility?

Whitman, Wootton and Churchill clusters will hire lawyers and fight any changes to their sacred boundary changes. And MCPS and the board will cave in out of fear.

Should add BCC to the list of sacred boundaries.

These are the boundaries in greatest need of reform.

greed

*Agreed 🙂

[Anonymous]

Holy shit. As a Whitman alumni, I had to read that twice. Never thought I'd see the day where Whitman gets put on the redistricting table.