Woodward Boundary Study discussion at next BoE meeting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Woodward, WJ and BCC should become part of DCC. That way kids from this area will have choices.

And Whitman as well.

It would be a lot to add on four more schools to the consortial bus routes. Some of the bus rides are already super long.

Well, if logistics is an issue then BCC should be first to added and then move on to others. BCC should have been in DCC from the get go.

I don't think logistics-type issues like this will be a huge deal to the BOE since they are looking to the Woodward study to be such a transformational change in redistricting and rebalancing.

Adding more schools to the existing consortia structure won't result in transformational change. It will just make predicting enrollments and keeping all the schools within their desired capacities that much more challenging. If they want to achieve transformational change via a consortium model, they should follow one of the recommendations from the Metis report and eliminate the guarantee of attending your base area school. Then get yourself a giant vat of popcorn and watch how people react.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Recently, the response is "we don't see that at home," or "they are my problem at home, your problem at school." If receptive, we talk about strategies to work on together

Do you interpret "we don't see that at home" as not being receptive?

When there are no siblings at home, or an infant, and they don't do play dates, and the problem stems from interactions with others, then yes, it's not receptive or relevant. And, specifics don't really matter, what I am telling you is we have the same disruptive kids at the Ws (no idea why some who don't attend think they are so perfect), and, just like other schools, we have some active and involved parents, and parents who are unable to support their children. Administration (at the school and at Central Office) have been less than helpful

I'm sure this isn't what you mean but it sounds like you're saying if a parent says they don't see something at home it means they aren't doing the right things. I hope you understand parents can't read your mind, if we don't see something at home it is very hard for us to understand how to address it. If you have specific suggestions, share that. Don't just sit and stew about how they are horrible parents. Most if not all parents are trying to do their best.

I have a child with a behavior issue that mainly appeared at school. Sometimes there are behaviors that occur only in specific settings, not all social situations. It was very hard to understand what the issue was and the teacher told us what was happening but we'd also hear at times it was getting better. We honestly didn't understand the seriousness of the issue for a while and certainly had no idea what to do about it. Only reason we figured it out eventually was because of an educator in my family who encouraged us to seek help.

Well, I am sorry your child's teachers were not good communicators. If any teacher ever contacts you about any issue at school, it's important. Full stop. HS teachers have over 150 students, ES maybe 28, but trust me they are all super busy. If they are taking the time to contact you, it's important.

And, I hate to disappoint you, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's.

As a parent and as a teacher who is friends with many, many teachers, I am telling you the behavior issues in school, ALL schools, ALL grade levels, are a complete mess, and no one seems willing or able to do anything about it. Not teachers, not admins, not central office and not parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently, the response is "we don't see that at home," or "they are my problem at home, your problem at school." If receptive, we talk about strategies to work on together

Do you interpret "we don't see that at home" as not being receptive?

When there are no siblings at home, or an infant, and they don't do play dates, and the problem stems from interactions with others, then yes, it's not receptive or relevant. And, specifics don't really matter, what I am telling you is we have the same disruptive kids at the Ws (no idea why some who don't attend think they are so perfect), and, just like other schools, we have some active and involved parents, and parents who are unable to support their children. Administration (at the school and at Central Office) have been less than helpful

I'm sure this isn't what you mean but it sounds like you're saying if a parent says they don't see something at home it means they aren't doing the right things. I hope you understand parents can't read your mind, if we don't see something at home it is very hard for us to understand how to address it. If you have specific suggestions, share that. Don't just sit and stew about how they are horrible parents. Most if not all parents are trying to do their best.

I have a child with a behavior issue that mainly appeared at school. Sometimes there are behaviors that occur only in specific settings, not all social situations. It was very hard to understand what the issue was and the teacher told us what was happening but we'd also hear at times it was getting better. We honestly didn't understand the seriousness of the issue for a while and certainly had no idea what to do about it. Only reason we figured it out eventually was because of an educator in my family who encouraged us to seek help.

Well, I am sorry your child's teachers were not good communicators. If any teacher ever contacts you about any issue at school, it's important. Full stop. HS teachers have over 150 students, ES maybe 28, but trust me they are all super busy. If they are taking the time to contact you, it's important.

And, I hate to disappoint you, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's.

As a parent and as a teacher who is friends with many, many teachers, I am telling you the behavior issues in school, ALL schools, ALL grade levels, are a complete mess, and no one seems willing or able to do anything about it. Not teachers, not admins, not central office and not parents.

If it is "important" and you have some idea of what the parents should do about it, you should tell them. We are not mind readers. We cannot will our children to behave differently, especially if we are not witnessing the behavior first hand and are not there when it happens. It's often not at all straightforward.how to address things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently, the response is "we don't see that at home," or "they are my problem at home, your problem at school." If receptive, we talk about strategies to work on together

Do you interpret "we don't see that at home" as not being receptive?

When there are no siblings at home, or an infant, and they don't do play dates, and the problem stems from interactions with others, then yes, it's not receptive or relevant. And, specifics don't really matter, what I am telling you is we have the same disruptive kids at the Ws (no idea why some who don't attend think they are so perfect), and, just like other schools, we have some active and involved parents, and parents who are unable to support their children. Administration (at the school and at Central Office) have been less than helpful

I'm sure this isn't what you mean but it sounds like you're saying if a parent says they don't see something at home it means they aren't doing the right things. I hope you understand parents can't read your mind, if we don't see something at home it is very hard for us to understand how to address it. If you have specific suggestions, share that. Don't just sit and stew about how they are horrible parents. Most if not all parents are trying to do their best.

I have a child with a behavior issue that mainly appeared at school. Sometimes there are behaviors that occur only in specific settings, not all social situations. It was very hard to understand what the issue was and the teacher told us what was happening but we'd also hear at times it was getting better. We honestly didn't understand the seriousness of the issue for a while and certainly had no idea what to do about it. Only reason we figured it out eventually was because of an educator in my family who encouraged us to seek help.

Well, I am sorry your child's teachers were not good communicators. If any teacher ever contacts you about any issue at school, it's important. Full stop. HS teachers have over 150 students, ES maybe 28, but trust me they are all super busy. If they are taking the time to contact you, it's important.

And, I hate to disappoint you, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's.

As a parent and as a teacher who is friends with many, many teachers, I am telling you the behavior issues in school, ALL schools, ALL grade levels, are a complete mess, and no one seems willing or able to do anything about it. Not teachers, not admins, not central office and not parents.

I am a (high school) teacher with 32 years under my belt. I have not ever seen behavior as atrocious as the last 7-8 years. Parents do nothing to check their students' manners and behavior. Parents: you parent your children. I educate them. I am not your social worker. I actually find the poorest parents are the grateful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently, the response is "we don't see that at home," or "they are my problem at home, your problem at school." If receptive, we talk about strategies to work on together

Do you interpret "we don't see that at home" as not being receptive?

When there are no siblings at home, or an infant, and they don't do play dates, and the problem stems from interactions with others, then yes, it's not receptive or relevant. And, specifics don't really matter, what I am telling you is we have the same disruptive kids at the Ws (no idea why some who don't attend think they are so perfect), and, just like other schools, we have some active and involved parents, and parents who are unable to support their children. Administration (at the school and at Central Office) have been less than helpful

I'm sure this isn't what you mean but it sounds like you're saying if a parent says they don't see something at home it means they aren't doing the right things. I hope you understand parents can't read your mind, if we don't see something at home it is very hard for us to understand how to address it. If you have specific suggestions, share that. Don't just sit and stew about how they are horrible parents. Most if not all parents are trying to do their best.

I have a child with a behavior issue that mainly appeared at school. Sometimes there are behaviors that occur only in specific settings, not all social situations. It was very hard to understand what the issue was and the teacher told us what was happening but we'd also hear at times it was getting better. We honestly didn't understand the seriousness of the issue for a while and certainly had no idea what to do about it. Only reason we figured it out eventually was because of an educator in my family who encouraged us to seek help.

Well, I am sorry your child's teachers were not good communicators. If any teacher ever contacts you about any issue at school, it's important. Full stop. HS teachers have over 150 students, ES maybe 28, but trust me they are all super busy. If they are taking the time to contact you, it's important.

And, I hate to disappoint you, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's.

As a parent and as a teacher who is friends with many, many teachers, I am telling you the behavior issues in school, ALL schools, ALL grade levels, are a complete mess, and no one seems willing or able to do anything about it. Not teachers, not admins, not central office and not parents.

I am a (high school) teacher with 32 years under my belt. I have not ever seen behavior as atrocious as the last 7-8 years. Parents do nothing to check their students' manners and behavior. Parents: you parent your children. I educate them. I am not your social worker. I actually find the poorest parents are the grateful.

You sound like such a gem

[Anonymous]

As a parent can set consequences for behavior I know about. But if there are no consequences at school, the kids pick up on that and pick up on each other's behavior. And unless I am getting a daily report, what I do at home based on an occasional communication is going to have limited effect, at best. You can assume it is the family environment all you want but you yourselves say the school environment is full of bad behavior. That environment in and of itself creates a vicious cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the schools will become more diverse. This is what MCPS is pushing for. There are a bunch of low performing kids in the county. They want YOUR kids to teach them values, respect and how to read and talk. If you haven’t figured that out then you are clueless. It is not about race it is about low performing kids. The parents aren’t doing sh— at home so teachers have to become magicians and make up for years of kids sitting in. front of tv’s and being ignored. They can’t do it alone so they look to UMC kids to help and ease the burden.

What ideas you have about who is "us" and who is "them".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the schools will become more diverse. This is what MCPS is pushing for. There are a bunch of low performing kids in the county. They want YOUR kids to teach them values, respect and how to read and talk. If you haven’t figured that out then you are clueless. It is not about race it is about low performing kids. The parents aren’t doing sh— at home so teachers have to become magicians and make up for years of kids sitting in. front of tv’s and being ignored. They can’t do it alone so they look to UMC kids to help and ease the burden.

What ideas you have about who is "us" and who is "them".

Notice the PP said "It is not about race" which means it absolutely is about race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Woodward, WJ and BCC should become part of DCC. That way kids from this area will have choices.

And Whitman as well.

Maybe all the schools that are inside the beltway since that's actually down county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woodward, WJ and BCC should become part of DCC. That way kids from this area will have choices.

And Whitman as well.

It would be a lot to add on four more schools to the consortial bus routes. Some of the bus rides are already super long.

Well, if logistics is an issue then BCC should be first to added and then move on to others. BCC should have been in DCC from the get go.

I don't think logistics-type issues like this will be a huge deal to the BOE since they are looking to the Woodward study to be such a transformational change in redistricting and rebalancing.

What do you base this on? They have overcrowded schools (Einstein and WJ) and need to fill the new school.

What's pathetic to me is them doing the same thing over and over: Woodward was supposed to be built to 2700, now reduced to 2100. Meanwhile, how much new building is happening in the area? A TON! My guess is all the overcrowded schools will be overcrowded again shortly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Woodward, WJ and BCC should become part of DCC. That way kids from this area will have choices.

And Whitman as well.

It would be a lot to add on four more schools to the consortial bus routes. Some of the bus rides are already super long.

Well, if logistics is an issue then BCC should be first to added and then move on to others. BCC should have been in DCC from the get go.

I don't think logistics-type issues like this will be a huge deal to the BOE since they are looking to the Woodward study to be such a transformational change in redistricting and rebalancing.

What do you base this on? They have overcrowded schools (Einstein and WJ) and need to fill the new school.

What's pathetic to me is them doing the same thing over and over: Woodward was supposed to be built to 2700, now reduced to 2100. Meanwhile, how much new building is happening in the area? A TON! My guess is all the overcrowded schools will be overcrowded again shortly.

It is unfortunate they had to go with the smaller school due to increased construction costs. At least when they reduced the capacity to 2160, they did note that the school is still "Master-planned to accommodate 2,700 students and staff (in the future)." But I agree that that future may be arriving sooner than they expected.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/C6TSAE6E087E/$file/Update%20Charles%20W%20Woodward%20HS%20Reopen%20Proj%20210909%20PPT.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Recently, the response is "we don't see that at home," or "they are my problem at home, your problem at school." If receptive, we talk about strategies to work on together

Do you interpret "we don't see that at home" as not being receptive?

When there are no siblings at home, or an infant, and they don't do play dates, and the problem stems from interactions with others, then yes, it's not receptive or relevant. And, specifics don't really matter, what I am telling you is we have the same disruptive kids at the Ws (no idea why some who don't attend think they are so perfect), and, just like other schools, we have some active and involved parents, and parents who are unable to support their children. Administration (at the school and at Central Office) have been less than helpful

I'm sure this isn't what you mean but it sounds like you're saying if a parent says they don't see something at home it means they aren't doing the right things. I hope you understand parents can't read your mind, if we don't see something at home it is very hard for us to understand how to address it. If you have specific suggestions, share that. Don't just sit and stew about how they are horrible parents. Most if not all parents are trying to do their best.

I have a child with a behavior issue that mainly appeared at school. Sometimes there are behaviors that occur only in specific settings, not all social situations. It was very hard to understand what the issue was and the teacher told us what was happening but we'd also hear at times it was getting better. We honestly didn't understand the seriousness of the issue for a while and certainly had no idea what to do about it. Only reason we figured it out eventually was because of an educator in my family who encouraged us to seek help.

Well, I am sorry your child's teachers were not good communicators. If any teacher ever contacts you about any issue at school, it's important. Full stop. HS teachers have over 150 students, ES maybe 28, but trust me they are all super busy. If they are taking the time to contact you, it's important.

And, I hate to disappoint you, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's.

As a parent and as a teacher who is friends with many, many teachers, I am telling you the behavior issues in school, ALL schools, ALL grade levels, are a complete mess, and no one seems willing or able to do anything about it. Not teachers, not admins, not central office and not parents.

I am a (high school) teacher with 32 years under my belt. I have not ever seen behavior as atrocious as the last 7-8 years. Parents do nothing to check their students' manners and behavior. Parents: you parent your children. I educate them. I am not your social worker. I actually find the poorest parents are the grateful.

Teachers need to tell parents what is going on. I have had so many times where I reach out with a concern and the teacher doesn't respond and never reaches out. You cannot complain if you will not work with parents.

[Anonymous]

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