1st day back in office, this is truly horrible

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is why Gen Z and z boomers get along. It is tge two lazy self entitled generations in middle that are losers.

Here is an example. My company next Thursday is throwing a big Thirsty Thursday. As the new people, single people and bosses want to meet each other.

The hard core hermits between 34–55 are boycotting. Last time we had 100 percent under 30 and over 55.

I am 60 my kids are fully grown I hate WFH full time and remote with no office. The “kids” under 30 single Want to go in.


Should be fun. We are doing two same night. One in LA and one in NYC.

I am taking Amtrak, checking in hotel, we have a club rented out. Then let’s me last year do some bar hopping, was a blast. And I am old. It is kinda like the over 55 is the moms and Dads of the under 30 and it is fun. The middle people are just angry hermits.

I have been giving out best pizza. Bagels, best sites to see best bar info as a lot of young people new hires never even been clubbing or partying in NYC. Usually around 1am us
old folks turn in. Last year the young crowd stayed out till 4am.

Guess what no one needs you 36-49 years olds at work you are Debbie downers.

They’re not hermits, they have kids in school and the flexibility of WFH has improved their quality of life tenfold.

Because they use “work” hours for laundry, cooking, watching television and childcare.

If I fold laundry or chop veggies or take a walk while listening to a webinar, why does it matter as long as I’m doing my job. People can multitask.

Seriously. If I were in the office I would be on my phone anyway, probably on this website. And that’s way more distracting than doing something repetitive and physical like folding laundry

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why Gen Z and z boomers get along. It is tge two lazy self entitled generations in middle that are losers.

Here is an example. My company next Thursday is throwing a big Thirsty Thursday. As the new people, single people and bosses want to meet each other.

The hard core hermits between 34–55 are boycotting. Last time we had 100 percent under 30 and over 55.

I am 60 my kids are fully grown I hate WFH full time and remote with no office. The “kids” under 30 single Want to go in.


Should be fun. We are doing two same night. One in LA and one in NYC.

I am taking Amtrak, checking in hotel, we have a club rented out. Then let’s me last year do some bar hopping, was a blast. And I am old. It is kinda like the over 55 is the moms and Dads of the under 30 and it is fun. The middle people are just angry hermits.

I have been giving out best pizza. Bagels, best sites to see best bar info as a lot of young people new hires never even been clubbing or partying in NYC. Usually around 1am us
old folks turn in. Last year the young crowd stayed out till 4am.

Guess what no one needs you 36-49 years olds at work you are Debbie downers.

They’re not hermits, they have kids in school and the flexibility of WFH has improved their quality of life tenfold.

Because they use “work” hours for laundry, cooking, watching television and childcare.

If I fold laundry or chop veggies or take a walk while listening to a webinar, why does it matter as long as I’m doing my job. People can multitask.

Seriously. If I were in the office I would be on my phone anyway, probably on this website. And that’s way more distracting than doing something repetitive and physical like folding laundry

Also, I actually have a daily housekeeper who does our laundry and cooking. But putting the commute hours towards quality time with my kids is PRICELESS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why Gen Z and z boomers get along. It is tge two lazy self entitled generations in middle that are losers.

Here is an example. My company next Thursday is throwing a big Thirsty Thursday. As the new people, single people and bosses want to meet each other.

The hard core hermits between 34–55 are boycotting. Last time we had 100 percent under 30 and over 55.

I am 60 my kids are fully grown I hate WFH full time and remote with no office. The “kids” under 30 single Want to go in.


Should be fun. We are doing two same night. One in LA and one in NYC.

I am taking Amtrak, checking in hotel, we have a club rented out. Then let’s me last year do some bar hopping, was a blast. And I am old. It is kinda like the over 55 is the moms and Dads of the under 30 and it is fun. The middle people are just angry hermits.

I have been giving out best pizza. Bagels, best sites to see best bar info as a lot of young people new hires never even been clubbing or partying in NYC. Usually around 1am us
old folks turn in. Last year the young crowd stayed out till 4am.

Guess what no one needs you 36-49 years olds at work you are Debbie downers.

They’re not hermits, they have kids in school and the flexibility of WFH has improved their quality of life tenfold.

Because they use “work” hours for laundry, cooking, watching television and childcare.

If I fold laundry or chop veggies or take a walk while listening to a webinar, why does it matter as long as I’m doing my job. People can multitask.

We have webinars about once a year. How is this relevant? Webinars are for training or all hands etc.

[Anonymous]

When employees don’t have to commute, they work.

A new report by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that, of the average 72 minutes saved by not commuting each day, employees dedicated:

🧑‍💻 40% to primary and secondary job tasks
🏝 34% to leisure
🤝 11% to caregiving

Couple this with the fact that cutting out a commute makes disruptions like traffic and train delays irrelevant — and that's a massive boost to productivity.

And, more importantly, employees are better rested and more connected with their loved ones.

So much common sense flying over the head of dinosaur managers stuck in the 20th century:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30866

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When employees don’t have to commute, they work.

A new report by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that, of the average 72 minutes saved by not commuting each day, employees dedicated:

🧑‍💻 40% to primary and secondary job tasks
🏝 34% to leisure
🤝 11% to caregiving

Couple this with the fact that cutting out a commute makes disruptions like traffic and train delays irrelevant — and that's a massive boost to productivity.

And, more importantly, employees are better rested and more connected with their loved ones.

So much common sense flying over the head of dinosaur managers stuck in the 20th century:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30866

This is what employees say…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When employees don’t have to commute, they work.

A new report by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that, of the average 72 minutes saved by not commuting each day, employees dedicated:

🧑‍💻 40% to primary and secondary job tasks
🏝 34% to leisure
🤝 11% to caregiving

Couple this with the fact that cutting out a commute makes disruptions like traffic and train delays irrelevant — and that's a massive boost to productivity.

And, more importantly, employees are better rested and more connected with their loved ones.

So much common sense flying over the head of dinosaur managers stuck in the 20th century:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30866

This is what employees say…

As well as the NBER paper.

[Anonymous]

I think for employees to act like WFH isn’t impactful in any negative manner to an organization is the same as an organization being stubborn to admit that there are benefits to WFH.

Most disputes have a gray area. The absolute lack of awareness is a problem for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think for employees to act like WFH isn’t impactful in any negative manner to an organization is the same as an organization being stubborn to admit that there are benefits to WFH.

Most disputes have a gray area. The absolute lack of awareness is a problem for everyone.

What are the negative impacts to an organization?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When employees don’t have to commute, they work.

A new report by the National Bureau of Economic Research found that, of the average 72 minutes saved by not commuting each day, employees dedicated:

🧑‍💻 40% to primary and secondary job tasks
🏝 34% to leisure
🤝 11% to caregiving

Couple this with the fact that cutting out a commute makes disruptions like traffic and train delays irrelevant — and that's a massive boost to productivity.

And, more importantly, employees are better rested and more connected with their loved ones.

So much common sense flying over the head of dinosaur managers stuck in the 20th century:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30866

This is what employees say…

As well as the NBER paper.

As a manager, I certainly love the days I don’t need to commute. I save 2 hours of commuting time, can sleep in, can see my kids in the morning, can cook dinner at a reasonable time, don’t have to pay for parking, etc.

But I also know that some staff are less productive and it takes time to paper trail them out.

If I can get work out of you while your kids are at school for 6 hours and you are mostly available for meetings/calls when they are necessary between 4 and 6, then that’s fine.

It’s those who don’t respond to calls or emails during core hours and take forever to get anything done that prompt concern…along with those who are passively reacting to asks rather than proactively moving the work forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think for employees to act like WFH isn’t impactful in any negative manner to an organization is the same as an organization being stubborn to admit that there are benefits to WFH.

Most disputes have a gray area. The absolute lack of awareness is a problem for everyone.

What are the negative impacts to an organization?

You can’t be serious. This question, on a long thread where the argument has been hashed out and a forum where it’s discussed ad nauseam, is baiting me to list things that’ should by now be obvious and then will just lead to an argument because no one asking at this point has any interest in admitting that anything could be affected in a negative manner.

The fact is that all things. All. Have positive and negative effects. FWIW, I telecommute full time so I’m not arguing against it. I just am aware.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Hey, People, OP is just venting and this is his or her first day back in the office!

Have some sympathy. We've all been there after a vacation or similar.

For real. People are being super harsh when 90% of my friends IRL feel this way about the office

Wahhhh. I've been back in the office since June of 2020. OP looks ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why Gen Z and z boomers get along. It is tge two lazy self entitled generations in middle that are losers.

Here is an example. My company next Thursday is throwing a big Thirsty Thursday. As the new people, single people and bosses want to meet each other.

The hard core hermits between 34–55 are boycotting. Last time we had 100 percent under 30 and over 55.

I am 60 my kids are fully grown I hate WFH full time and remote with no office. The “kids” under 30 single Want to go in.


Should be fun. We are doing two same night. One in LA and one in NYC.

I am taking Amtrak, checking in hotel, we have a club rented out. Then let’s me last year do some bar hopping, was a blast. And I am old. It is kinda like the over 55 is the moms and Dads of the under 30 and it is fun. The middle people are just angry hermits.

I have been giving out best pizza. Bagels, best sites to see best bar info as a lot of young people new hires never even been clubbing or partying in NYC. Usually around 1am us
old folks turn in. Last year the young crowd stayed out till 4am.

Guess what no one needs you 36-49 years olds at work you are Debbie downers.

They’re not hermits, they have kids in school and the flexibility of WFH has improved their quality of life tenfold.

Because they use “work” hours for laundry, cooking, watching television and childcare.

If I fold laundry or chop veggies or take a walk while listening to a webinar, why does it matter as long as I’m doing my job. People can multitask.

We have webinars about once a year. How is this relevant? Webinars are for training or all hands etc.

I wrote the post about laundry or cooking. I listen to webinars or calls/meetings where my input is not required or expected about 2-4 times a month. I work in a scientific area, so we are often listening to updates on the latest research, policy, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think for employees to act like WFH isn’t impactful in any negative manner to an organization is the same as an organization being stubborn to admit that there are benefits to WFH.

Most disputes have a gray area. The absolute lack of awareness is a problem for everyone.

What are the negative impacts to an organization?

You can’t be serious. This question, on a long thread where the argument has been hashed out and a forum where it’s discussed ad nauseam, is baiting me to list things that’ should by now be obvious and then will just lead to an argument because no one asking at this point has any interest in admitting that anything could be affected in a negative manner.

The fact is that all things. All. Have positive and negative effects. FWIW, I telecommute full time so I’m not arguing against it. I just am aware.

All the negatives that I’ve ever heard about WFH can be totally mitigated by (say it with me now!!) CAPABLE MANAGEMENT. WFH jobs existed before the pandemic, they can and do work. If management actively knows what they are doing, WFH is a win/win/win proposition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hey, People, OP is just venting and this is his or her first day back in the office!

Have some sympathy. We've all been there after a vacation or similar.

For real. People are being super harsh when 90% of my friends IRL feel this way about the office

Wahhhh. I've been back in the office since June of 2020. OP looks ridiculous.

Who cares that you’ve been back in the office? Your job sucks and it’s made you spiteful. Why do you want to drag everyone else down with you???

-full time WFH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think for employees to act like WFH isn’t impactful in any negative manner to an organization is the same as an organization being stubborn to admit that there are benefits to WFH.

Most disputes have a gray area. The absolute lack of awareness is a problem for everyone.

Really for this equation to work, the negatives of WFH just need to be less than the negatives of going to an office. And I think for employers to act like WFO isn’t impactful in any negative manner to an employee is the same as an employee being stubborn to admit that there are benefits to WFO.

Just scratch the 10 words for accuracy sake.