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Anonymous wrote:Since there are no visitor logs for the Delaware property, the special counsel will need to interview all family members, friends, workers, etc. who may have had access to his home and garage.

And, he will need to get the list from the Secret Service of everyone who entered the property.

True.

Now what about the Penn center?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since there are no visitor logs for the Delaware property, the special counsel will need to interview all family members, friends, workers, etc. who may have had access to his home and garage.

And, he will need to get the list from the Secret Service of everyone who entered the property.

Why? You think they've interviewed every person who was at Mar-a-Lago for the 18 months before the search warrant was served on Trump?

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Anonymous wrote:We are talking about wildly different scenarios. There are clear signs of intent where it comes to Trump's files. In Trump's case, there were at least 15 entire bankers boxes crammed full of hundreds upon hundreds of files, thousands and thousands of pages, with a huge number of them being top secret, SCI and even Special Access Program and national security documents like nuclear weapons documents and identities and assignments of clandestine agents, which he had no business even having or keeping in the first place, and only a literal handful of people in the entire government ever even have access to SAP. Trump appears to have gone out of his way to get these and hoard them over the span of his Presidency. And then he and his attorneys repeatedly lied about having them, refused to comply, refused to return them, obstructed, fought in courts to try and retain them. There is a HUGE element of intent and knowing.

The Biden files on the other hand appear to be a tiny number of documents, total page count that you could easily tally on your fingers. And, none of them appear to have been anything even remotely at a level of SAP or national security or operational intelligence on our clandestine agents abroad as was the case with Trump. They have every appearance of being papers that were packed by staffers at the end of his VP term and a handful missed the scrutiny of staffers as they unloaded drawers and file cabinets. There is no sign of any deeper intent. And, it was Biden's own people who later caught it, and unlike Trump, Biden's folks are in full compliance and are immediately returning everything rather than lying, obstructing and fighting it.

Trying to equate the two is a complete non-starter.

How many classified documents can you store in your garage before it's a problem?

You aren't one to say. You were perfectly fine with Trump storing hundreds of the nations highest secrets in an unlocked, unmonitored hallway closet at Mar-A-Lago while known Chinese and Russian spies had access.

On the contrary, support for Trump plummeted after that scandal. Should I take this to mean that the raid was entirely political, because Democrats are fine with elected officials lining their garage with our nation's secrets?

Either both men are out of line, or neither. I believs the former.

Thank goodness there weren’t secrets lining garage. So we can relax.

They were in his garage. His VP library at UPenn. His personal library in his house. And some other 4th location. And the search continues.

You are dodging the fact that Biden appears to have classified documents in places they are not supposed to be. And that they appear to have been there for years and years, and that we have no idea what kind of secrets they contain or who had access to them. He wont go to jail for this-- no political official does-- but it's not good.

Um, the public really shouldn’t know what secrets these documents contain. There is a reason they are classified.

Bigger picture, it’s problematic that this is public at all, because there are a whole bunch of security reasons why it’s better not to it disclosed to the entire world that classified documents were in the wrong place. But some anti-Biden person at DOJ decided to leak it for their own purposes, so here we are.

Sure, the entire China knows what was in those documents, but Americans surely should not know. You are correct, Kamala should leak it quietly to DOJ only, but this is not their MO.

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Anonymous wrote:We are talking about wildly different scenarios. There are clear signs of intent where it comes to Trump's files. In Trump's case, there were at least 15 entire bankers boxes crammed full of hundreds upon hundreds of files, thousands and thousands of pages, with a huge number of them being top secret, SCI and even Special Access Program and national security documents like nuclear weapons documents and identities and assignments of clandestine agents, which he had no business even having or keeping in the first place, and only a literal handful of people in the entire government ever even have access to SAP. Trump appears to have gone out of his way to get these and hoard them over the span of his Presidency. And then he and his attorneys repeatedly lied about having them, refused to comply, refused to return them, obstructed, fought in courts to try and retain them. There is a HUGE element of intent and knowing.

The Biden files on the other hand appear to be a tiny number of documents, total page count that you could easily tally on your fingers. And, none of them appear to have been anything even remotely at a level of SAP or national security or operational intelligence on our clandestine agents abroad as was the case with Trump. They have every appearance of being papers that were packed by staffers at the end of his VP term and a handful missed the scrutiny of staffers as they unloaded drawers and file cabinets. There is no sign of any deeper intent. And, it was Biden's own people who later caught it, and unlike Trump, Biden's folks are in full compliance and are immediately returning everything rather than lying, obstructing and fighting it.

Trying to equate the two is a complete non-starter.

How many classified documents can you store in your garage before it's a problem?

You aren't one to say. You were perfectly fine with Trump storing hundreds of the nations highest secrets in an unlocked, unmonitored hallway closet at Mar-A-Lago while known Chinese and Russian spies had access.

On the contrary, support for Trump plummeted after that scandal. Should I take this to mean that the raid was entirely political, because Democrats are fine with elected officials lining their garage with our nation's secrets?

Either both men are out of line, or neither. I believs the former.

Thank goodness there weren’t secrets lining garage. So we can relax.

They were in his garage. His VP library at UPenn. His personal library in his house. And some other 4th location. And the search continues.

You are dodging the fact that Biden appears to have classified documents in places they are not supposed to be. And that they appear to have been there for years and years, and that we have no idea what kind of secrets they contain or who had access to them. He wont go to jail for this-- no political official does-- but it's not good.

Um, the public really shouldn’t know what secrets these documents contain. There is a reason they are classified.

Bigger picture, it’s problematic that this is public at all, because there are a whole bunch of security reasons why it’s better not to it disclosed to the entire world that classified documents were in the wrong place. But some anti-Biden person at DOJ decided to leak it for their own purposes, so here we are.

Sure, the entire China knows what was in those documents, but Americans surely should not know. You are correct, Kamala should leak it quietly to DOJ only, but this is not their MO.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are no visitor logs for the Delaware property, the special counsel will need to interview all family members, friends, workers, etc. who may have had access to his home and garage.

And, he will need to get the list from the Secret Service of everyone who entered the property.

Why? You think they've interviewed every person who was at Mar-a-Lago for the 18 months before the search warrant was served on Trump?

Sounds as if the documents at Mar-a-Lago were locked in a room. Not an office or the garage, but a room that was not occupied. In a building that has SS protection.

The documents that Biden had were at the U Penn center, his garage, and in his home. How many people went into and out of his home over the past 6 years? How many people had access to the U Penn center when nobody was there? Remember, this was over 6 years - much of that time there was no SS protection.

Remember, Biden essentially campaigned from his home. Lots of staff and others were in and out. Family too.

This is a huge issue since we don't even know if someone took documents that will never be found. How do we know they didn't?

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are no visitor logs for the Delaware property, the special counsel will need to interview all family members, friends, workers, etc. who may have had access to his home and garage.

And, he will need to get the list from the Secret Service of everyone who entered the property.

Why? You think they've interviewed every person who was at Mar-a-Lago for the 18 months before the search warrant was served on Trump?

Sounds as if the documents at Mar-a-Lago were locked in a room. Not an office or the garage, but a room that was not occupied. In a building that has SS protection.

The documents that Biden had were at the U Penn center, his garage, and in his home. How many people went into and out of his home over the past 6 years? How many people had access to the U Penn center when nobody was there? Remember, this was over 6 years - much of that time there was no SS protection.

Remember, Biden essentially campaigned from his home. Lots of staff and others were in and out. Family too.

This is a huge issue since we don't even know if someone took documents that will never be found. How do we know they didn't?

This exactly is my concern.

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Anonymous wrote:We are talking about wildly different scenarios. There are clear signs of intent where it comes to Trump's files. In Trump's case, there were at least 15 entire bankers boxes crammed full of hundreds upon hundreds of files, thousands and thousands of pages, with a huge number of them being top secret, SCI and even Special Access Program and national security documents like nuclear weapons documents and identities and assignments of clandestine agents, which he had no business even having or keeping in the first place, and only a literal handful of people in the entire government ever even have access to SAP. Trump appears to have gone out of his way to get these and hoard them over the span of his Presidency. And then he and his attorneys repeatedly lied about having them, refused to comply, refused to return them, obstructed, fought in courts to try and retain them. There is a HUGE element of intent and knowing.

The Biden files on the other hand appear to be a tiny number of documents, total page count that you could easily tally on your fingers. And, none of them appear to have been anything even remotely at a level of SAP or national security or operational intelligence on our clandestine agents abroad as was the case with Trump. They have every appearance of being papers that were packed by staffers at the end of his VP term and a handful missed the scrutiny of staffers as they unloaded drawers and file cabinets. There is no sign of any deeper intent. And, it was Biden's own people who later caught it, and unlike Trump, Biden's folks are in full compliance and are immediately returning everything rather than lying, obstructing and fighting it.

Trying to equate the two is a complete non-starter.

How many classified documents can you store in your garage before it's a problem?

You aren't one to say. You were perfectly fine with Trump storing hundreds of the nations highest secrets in an unlocked, unmonitored hallway closet at Mar-A-Lago while known Chinese and Russian spies had access.

On the contrary, support for Trump plummeted after that scandal. Should I take this to mean that the raid was entirely political, because Democrats are fine with elected officials lining their garage with our nation's secrets?

Either both men are out of line, or neither. I believs the former.

Thank goodness there weren’t secrets lining garage. So we can relax.

They were in his garage. His VP library at UPenn. His personal library in his house. And some other 4th location. And the search continues.

You are dodging the fact that Biden appears to have classified documents in places they are not supposed to be. And that they appear to have been there for years and years, and that we have no idea what kind of secrets they contain or who had access to them. He wont go to jail for this-- no political official does-- but it's not good.

Um, the public really shouldn’t know what secrets these documents contain. There is a reason they are classified.

Bigger picture, it’s problematic that this is public at all, because there are a whole bunch of security reasons why it’s better not to it disclosed to the entire world that classified documents were in the wrong place. But some anti-Biden person at DOJ decided to leak it for their own purposes, so here we are.

Very funny.....

How so?

Were you in a cave when the FBI raided Trump? The media coverage was a hundred times bigger and more detailed, including PHOTOS shared by the DOJ.

The only reason that became public is because Trump tweeted about it right after it happened, and later tweeted a bunch of details, photos, etc.

Well, then there was the issue of multiple police and FBI vehicles and personnel outside his property. Kind of tough to explain that away.......
So, no, that isn't the only reason it became public.

You are misremembering the facts. The FBI went out of its way to minimize attention to the execution of the MAL warrant, including doing the search at a low-traffic time at MAL, having officers in plain clothes, etc. The media had no clue the raid happened until Trump tweeted about it, and even then had a hard time at first getting DOJ to confirm it. When DOJ finally issued a statement, it noted that it would not have shared the information publicly if Trump had not already done so.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are no visitor logs for the Delaware property, the special counsel will need to interview all family members, friends, workers, etc. who may have had access to his home and garage.

And, he will need to get the list from the Secret Service of everyone who entered the property.

Why? You think they've interviewed every person who was at Mar-a-Lago for the 18 months before the search warrant was served on Trump?

Sounds as if the documents at Mar-a-Lago were locked in a room. Not an office or the garage, but a room that was not occupied. In a building that has SS protection.

You people have this so very, very wrong. Thousands of Mar a Lago guests were within feet of where Trump kept the stolen classified documents, and the doors to the storage area were frequently open.

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Some of you are going to be so disappointed when we learn the pages in Biden's garage are a copy of the Steele Dossier.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are no visitor logs for the Delaware property, the special counsel will need to interview all family members, friends, workers, etc. who may have had access to his home and garage.

And, he will need to get the list from the Secret Service of everyone who entered the property.

Why? You think they've interviewed every person who was at Mar-a-Lago for the 18 months before the search warrant was served on Trump?

Sounds as if the documents at Mar-a-Lago were locked in a room. Not an office or the garage, but a room that was not occupied. In a building that has SS protection.

You people have this so very, very wrong. Thousands of Mar a Lago guests were within feet of where Trump kept the stolen classified documents, and the doors to the storage area were frequently open.

And we also know that Mar A Lago was crawling with foreign spies. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/4/18295810/mar-a-lago-china-secret-service-zhang

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Funny how Bidenists have to turn a massive Biden mistake into Trump bs.

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Anonymous wrote:We are talking about wildly different scenarios. There are clear signs of intent where it comes to Trump's files. In Trump's case, there were at least 15 entire bankers boxes crammed full of hundreds upon hundreds of files, thousands and thousands of pages, with a huge number of them being top secret, SCI and even Special Access Program and national security documents like nuclear weapons documents and identities and assignments of clandestine agents, which he had no business even having or keeping in the first place, and only a literal handful of people in the entire government ever even have access to SAP. Trump appears to have gone out of his way to get these and hoard them over the span of his Presidency. And then he and his attorneys repeatedly lied about having them, refused to comply, refused to return them, obstructed, fought in courts to try and retain them. There is a HUGE element of intent and knowing.

The Biden files on the other hand appear to be a tiny number of documents, total page count that you could easily tally on your fingers. And, none of them appear to have been anything even remotely at a level of SAP or national security or operational intelligence on our clandestine agents abroad as was the case with Trump. They have every appearance of being papers that were packed by staffers at the end of his VP term and a handful missed the scrutiny of staffers as they unloaded drawers and file cabinets. There is no sign of any deeper intent. And, it was Biden's own people who later caught it, and unlike Trump, Biden's folks are in full compliance and are immediately returning everything rather than lying, obstructing and fighting it.

Trying to equate the two is a complete non-starter.

How many classified documents can you store in your garage before it's a problem?

You aren't one to say. You were perfectly fine with Trump storing hundreds of the nations highest secrets in an unlocked, unmonitored hallway closet at Mar-A-Lago while known Chinese and Russian spies had access.

On the contrary, support for Trump plummeted after that scandal. Should I take this to mean that the raid was entirely political, because Democrats are fine with elected officials lining their garage with our nation's secrets?

Either both men are out of line, or neither. I believs the former.

Thank goodness there weren’t secrets lining garage. So we can relax.

They were in his garage. His VP library at UPenn. His personal library in his house. And some other 4th location. And the search continues.

You are dodging the fact that Biden appears to have classified documents in places they are not supposed to be. And that they appear to have been there for years and years, and that we have no idea what kind of secrets they contain or who had access to them. He wont go to jail for this-- no political official does-- but it's not good.

Except that documents in UPenn was not there for years. Those documents were removed from UPenn and returned back. At least twice.

According to who?

According to Chinese social media.

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Anonymous wrote:We are talking about wildly different scenarios. There are clear signs of intent where it comes to Trump's files. In Trump's case, there were at least 15 entire bankers boxes crammed full of hundreds upon hundreds of files, thousands and thousands of pages, with a huge number of them being top secret, SCI and even Special Access Program and national security documents like nuclear weapons documents and identities and assignments of clandestine agents, which he had no business even having or keeping in the first place, and only a literal handful of people in the entire government ever even have access to SAP. Trump appears to have gone out of his way to get these and hoard them over the span of his Presidency. And then he and his attorneys repeatedly lied about having them, refused to comply, refused to return them, obstructed, fought in courts to try and retain them. There is a HUGE element of intent and knowing.

The Biden files on the other hand appear to be a tiny number of documents, total page count that you could easily tally on your fingers. And, none of them appear to have been anything even remotely at a level of SAP or national security or operational intelligence on our clandestine agents abroad as was the case with Trump. They have every appearance of being papers that were packed by staffers at the end of his VP term and a handful missed the scrutiny of staffers as they unloaded drawers and file cabinets. There is no sign of any deeper intent. And, it was Biden's own people who later caught it, and unlike Trump, Biden's folks are in full compliance and are immediately returning everything rather than lying, obstructing and fighting it.

Trying to equate the two is a complete non-starter.

How many classified documents can you store in your garage before it's a problem?

You aren't one to say. You were perfectly fine with Trump storing hundreds of the nations highest secrets in an unlocked, unmonitored hallway closet at Mar-A-Lago while known Chinese and Russian spies had access.

On the contrary, support for Trump plummeted after that scandal. Should I take this to mean that the raid was entirely political, because Democrats are fine with elected officials lining their garage with our nation's secrets?

Either both men are out of line, or neither. I believs the former.

Thank goodness there weren’t secrets lining garage. So we can relax.

They were in his garage. His VP library at UPenn. His personal library in his house. And some other 4th location. And the search continues.

You are dodging the fact that Biden appears to have classified documents in places they are not supposed to be. And that they appear to have been there for years and years, and that we have no idea what kind of secrets they contain or who had access to them. He wont go to jail for this-- no political official does-- but it's not good.

Except that documents in UPenn was not there for years. Those documents were removed from UPenn and returned back. At least twice.

According to who?

According to Chinese social media.

What does Chinese social media say about Hunter and his millions in Chinese and Ukranian money?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are talking about wildly different scenarios. There are clear signs of intent where it comes to Trump's files. In Trump's case, there were at least 15 entire bankers boxes crammed full of hundreds upon hundreds of files, thousands and thousands of pages, with a huge number of them being top secret, SCI and even Special Access Program and national security documents like nuclear weapons documents and identities and assignments of clandestine agents, which he had no business even having or keeping in the first place, and only a literal handful of people in the entire government ever even have access to SAP. Trump appears to have gone out of his way to get these and hoard them over the span of his Presidency. And then he and his attorneys repeatedly lied about having them, refused to comply, refused to return them, obstructed, fought in courts to try and retain them. There is a HUGE element of intent and knowing.

The Biden files on the other hand appear to be a tiny number of documents, total page count that you could easily tally on your fingers. And, none of them appear to have been anything even remotely at a level of SAP or national security or operational intelligence on our clandestine agents abroad as was the case with Trump. They have every appearance of being papers that were packed by staffers at the end of his VP term and a handful missed the scrutiny of staffers as they unloaded drawers and file cabinets. There is no sign of any deeper intent. And, it was Biden's own people who later caught it, and unlike Trump, Biden's folks are in full compliance and are immediately returning everything rather than lying, obstructing and fighting it.

Trying to equate the two is a complete non-starter.

How many classified documents can you store in your garage before it's a problem?

You aren't one to say. You were perfectly fine with Trump storing hundreds of the nations highest secrets in an unlocked, unmonitored hallway closet at Mar-A-Lago while known Chinese and Russian spies had access.

On the contrary, support for Trump plummeted after that scandal. Should I take this to mean that the raid was entirely political, because Democrats are fine with elected officials lining their garage with our nation's secrets?

Either both men are out of line, or neither. I believs the former.

Thank goodness there weren’t secrets lining garage. So we can relax.

They were in his garage. His VP library at UPenn. His personal library in his house. And some other 4th location. And the search continues.

You are dodging the fact that Biden appears to have classified documents in places they are not supposed to be. And that they appear to have been there for years and years, and that we have no idea what kind of secrets they contain or who had access to them. He wont go to jail for this-- no political official does-- but it's not good.

Except that documents in UPenn was not there for years. Those documents were removed from UPenn and returned back. At least twice.

According to who?

According to Chinese social media.

Source?

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