Science says: never get rid of AAP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

[Anonymous]

Anecdotally- we learned that one of our friends tried to do the WISC/GMU route and was still rejected last year. She truly believes her kid deserved to be in AAP, but in terms of behavior, she is probably wrong. My experience with this kid is that the kid had a lot of emotional issues and had a hard time obeying rules (aka- the rules don’t apply to me.)

There are a lot of people who think their “gifted” kids should be in the class. But a difficult child doesn’t always fit in the AAP class. Also- some kids just don’t have that spark- and it’s clear that they are being pressured into “aap.” Our kids are not in AAP and are thriving on all levels.

She is very angry about this and now thinks our school is horrible. But we love our school. So it’s a weird experience now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

It went from about 6% to 20%

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

It went from about 6% to 20%

This increase was not from appeals, though. FCPS wanted to be inclusive and cast a wider net. They started letting a lot more kids with test scores in the 120s who present as somewhat above average into the program first round. There are tons of mediocre kids in AAP. They didn’t need to appeal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

My kid got in and I agree with the PP that the parents really are the worst thing about it. I don't want to destroy it. I also think it's become a program for parents to flee gen ed vs. an actual gifted program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

so you agree that the program is not representative of the brightest kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

so you agree that the program is not representative of the brightest kids?

DP. That didn't at all flow from what PP said. Anyway, for the most part, AAP is representative of the brightest kids. For a kid to be left out of AAP, they would have needed an unimpressive score on the CogAT and NNAT, which are nationally normed on an un-prepped population. Basically, any kid who is truly gifted should score in the top 2% without prep. Then, the kid would also have to fail to impress any of the teachers in 2nd-6th grade, considering that teachers can and do refer kids that they think belong in AAP, especially if the kid is FARMS, a URM, or otherwise unlikely to be referred by parents.

Some kids who are pretty average are getting in. Those kids still would have needed to impress their teachers and have strong work samples, since both of those are much more important than test scores. They're not getting in from affluent parents buying a high WISC score, since few if any psychologists would risk their license by giving out bogus scores, and even if they did, the WISC is barely considered anymore. They're most likely getting in because they're friendly, good students with neat work that the teachers tend to love having in class, even if they're not otherwise remarkable in any way. There is undoubtedly a large overlap between the bottom half of AAP and the top 10% of gen ed. There is no selection system that would avoid this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

so you agree that the program is not representative of the brightest kids?

DP. That didn't at all flow from what PP said. Anyway, for the most part, AAP is representative of the brightest kids. For a kid to be left out of AAP, they would have needed an unimpressive score on the CogAT and NNAT, which are nationally normed on an un-prepped population. Basically, any kid who is truly gifted should score in the top 2% without prep. Then, the kid would also have to fail to impress any of the teachers in 2nd-6th grade, considering that teachers can and do refer kids that they think belong in AAP, especially if the kid is FARMS, a URM, or otherwise unlikely to be referred by parents.

Some kids who are pretty average are getting in. Those kids still would have needed to impress their teachers and have strong work samples, since both of those are much more important than test scores. They're not getting in from affluent parents buying a high WISC score, since few if any psychologists would risk their license by giving out bogus scores, and even if they did, the WISC is barely considered anymore. They're most likely getting in because they're friendly, good students with neat work that the teachers tend to love having in class, even if they're not otherwise remarkable in any way. There is undoubtedly a large overlap between the bottom half of AAP and the top 10% of gen ed. There is no selection system that would avoid this issue.

This. The level 3 kids guesting in our LLIV are almost exclusively well-behaved, hard-working, neat handwriting kids. I'm a parent of a poorly behaved, high scoring kid and he was admitted no problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

As do the parents who convince themselves that their kid is Stephen Hawking reincarnated and look down on AAP kids who were accepted on appeal as unworthy trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

So true! I mean if you somehow fail on appeal, you must've hired the wrong "expert".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't that bad getting our kid into AAP with the private tests and appeals, but TJ takes a lot more prep classes and $$$.

Some on here wants to keep that a secret.

What secret? AAP has an appeals process in which the Committee looks at other material, like WISC test results, to assess whether the original decision was the right one or not. Some students are admitted on appeal; some aren't.

After your kid is rejected, all you need to do is get some quack to readminister the WISC and then appeal, and Bob's your uncle.

If only that were true, AAP would be a much larger size, especially in high SES areas. Parents of kids who don't get in love to blame it on this myth that we all know is false.

As do the parents who convince themselves that their kid is Stephen Hawking reincarnated and look down on AAP kids who were accepted on appeal as unworthy trash.

This sounds like a school culture problem, not an AAP issue. It has not been my experience at our center school. I have no idea who was admitted first round or appeal. How do you?