Science says: never get rid of AAP

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Well, since we've devolved into wacky conspiracy theories, I have one for everyone. I think that center capacity plays a major role in whether kids are accepted or rejected on appeal. If the school is close to a point where they would need to hire a new AAP teacher or add a trailer, I doubt they'll let anyone in on appeals. I also bet if a school is in a position where the AAP classes are tiny and the gen ed ones are large, they'll be quite generous in letting kids in to prevent the bad optics. Many of the appeals and later grade admissions are most likely based more on logistics and capacity than they are on the individual student's merit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, since we've devolved into wacky conspiracy theories, I have one for everyone. I think that center capacity plays a major role in whether kids are accepted or rejected on appeal. If the school is close to a point where they would need to hire a new AAP teacher or add a trailer, I doubt they'll let anyone in on appeals. I also bet if a school is in a position where the AAP classes are tiny and the gen ed ones are large, they'll be quite generous in letting kids in to prevent the bad optics. Many of the appeals and later grade admissions are most likely based more on logistics and capacity than they are on the individual student's merit.

I agree, it’s common sense, not a conspiracy.

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Anonymous wrote:I have my suspicions that WISC scores actually put you at a disadvantage with some reviewers. Nothing screams privilege like a private diagnosis…

My guess is that they only help in very limited cases.
-If the CogAT scores were high, a high WISC is not telling the committee anything new, other than that the kid is privileged.
-If the CogAT scores were lower, a high WISC might suggest prepping for the test or using an overly generous psychologist.
-If the GBRS was low or middling, a high WISC is still not showing the committee what they want to see holistically.

The only time it might help is if the kid had a high GBRS but mediocre CogAT scores. Even then, it's more likely that the parent letter and new work samples will do more to persuade the committee than the WISC.

Both of my kids had CogAT scores just at the cut-off, both did the WISC and were admitted to AAP. (WISC was in line with the CogAT.) Maybe it didn’t make a difference but I don’t think it hurt them to submit the WISC scores.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, since we've devolved into wacky conspiracy theories, I have one for everyone. I think that center capacity plays a major role in whether kids are accepted or rejected on appeal. If the school is close to a point where they would need to hire a new AAP teacher or add a trailer, I doubt they'll let anyone in on appeals. I also bet if a school is in a position where the AAP classes are tiny and the gen ed ones are large, they'll be quite generous in letting kids in to prevent the bad optics. Many of the appeals and later grade admissions are most likely based more on logistics and capacity than they are on the individual student's merit.

I agree, it’s common sense, not a conspiracy.

It only makes sense. There has to be capacity limits that are taken into consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

We have plenty of 'side door deniers' on here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

We have plenty of 'side door deniers' on here.

But many more conspiracy theorist whackjobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

Apparently, it is a conspiracy theory to some on here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

We have plenty of 'side door deniers' on here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

We have plenty of 'side door deniers' on here.

But many more conspiracy theorist whackjobs.

Stop attacking posters and learn your manners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

Apparently, it is a conspiracy theory to some on here.

Most know that isn't true, but want to keep it secret mostly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, since we've devolved into wacky conspiracy theories, I have one for everyone. I think that center capacity plays a major role in whether kids are accepted or rejected on appeal. If the school is close to a point where they would need to hire a new AAP teacher or add a trailer, I doubt they'll let anyone in on appeals. I also bet if a school is in a position where the AAP classes are tiny and the gen ed ones are large, they'll be quite generous in letting kids in to prevent the bad optics. Many of the appeals and later grade admissions are most likely based more on logistics and capacity than they are on the individual student's merit.

My school, the principal let in a lot of 6th graders who scored a little low into prealgebra, allowing the school to fill a whole prealgebra class with only 6th graders.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

We have plenty of 'side door deniers' on here.

You're uttering nonsense. Being accepted into AAP on appeal with additional information and evidence is an equally legitimate pathway into the program that is publicly shared. Are you insinuating that this pathway is somehow inferior to being accepted without an appeal, or that the selection committee lowers its standards in a shroud of secrecy when reviewing appeals? If so, why don't you actually show some evidence to back up your claims? Do you have any evidence or facts? Otherwise, you simply come across as a buffoon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

We have plenty of 'side door deniers' on here.

You're uttering nonsense. Being accepted into AAP on appeal with additional information and evidence is an equally legitimate pathway into the program that is publicly shared. Are you insinuating that this pathway is somehow inferior to being accepted without an appeal, or that the selection committee lowers its standards in a shroud of secrecy when reviewing appeals? If so, why don't you actually show some evidence to back up your claims? Do you have any evidence or facts? Otherwise, you simply come across as a buffoon.

You deliberately left out the fake WISC score part.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...

There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.

This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.

But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.

Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!

It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.

It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.

LOL, you're kidding, right? Spending $5k gets you the diagnosis of choice for giftedness. This isn't prescribing meds.

People have been buying their way into AAP forever. That's what it's always been about. This isn't news.

We have plenty of 'side door deniers' on here.

You're uttering nonsense. Being accepted into AAP on appeal with additional information and evidence is an equally legitimate pathway into the program that is publicly shared. Are you insinuating that this pathway is somehow inferior to being accepted without an appeal, or that the selection committee lowers its standards in a shroud of secrecy when reviewing appeals? If so, why don't you actually show some evidence to back up your claims? Do you have any evidence or facts? Otherwise, you simply come across as a buffoon.

You deliberately left out the fake WISC score part.

How is the WISC fake? What evidence or facts do you have that prove WISC scores submitted to the AAP selection committee are fake or falsified? Again, it’s time to show some evidence to justify your statements.