Science says: never get rid of AAP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people think Massachusetts has the best schools and they don’t really do anything like AAP in majority of districts and schools… can’t name one district that does, but could be a few. So no, I don’t think it’s necessary.

Because its school systems are much smaller and segregated. The best schools have mostly well off parents. Biggest predictor of academic success is family SES/parents educational level. They don't need AAP. Read between the lines in this forum. AAP is as much about selecting a "good peer group" as it is about the academic challenge.

The problem is that in FCPS, "selecting a good peer group" and receiving "academic challenge" are basically the same thing. Since FCPS prioritizes focusing on the kids who are behind and ignoring the kids who are ahead, it is impossible to get academic challenge for an above average kid in a gen ed class with too many kids who are behind. UMC kids with educated parents don't need AAP or any self contained program. They do still need some reasonable share of the teacher's attention as well as some reasonable attempt by the teacher to challenge them.

Final statement on all this

AAP is a way to cheat they system by buying in a crappy school district to save on housing costs and still getting a better off education

The choices are

1. Spend the money on housing to be in a decent pyramid or

2. Save money on housing and go to a private school

Bottom line you should be required to pay for the best education, none of this free riding AAP bs.

Buying a gifted diagnosis is a lot cheaper than private school and it allows parents who care about education to self select.

That’s not the way this works. FCPS does not use test scores from unknown entities. GMU provides sliding scales for tests, so they are available to all. There is no buying your way into AAP in FCPS.

You must be naive.

In practice people file appeals and get a favorable private diagnosis to get their kids into AAP.

People file appeals and take their kids to get the WISC because they know that their kid is smart. Do you think if someone's kid gets a 100 on the CogAt that they're going to go out and get a 130+ on the WISC?

They do it because their kid can't score high enough under ordinary circumstances so they buy them a mulligan.

[Anonymous]

This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people think Massachusetts has the best schools and they don’t really do anything like AAP in majority of districts and schools… can’t name one district that does, but could be a few. So no, I don’t think it’s necessary.

Because its school systems are much smaller and segregated. The best schools have mostly well off parents. Biggest predictor of academic success is family SES/parents educational level. They don't need AAP. Read between the lines in this forum. AAP is as much about selecting a "good peer group" as it is about the academic challenge.

The problem is that in FCPS, "selecting a good peer group" and receiving "academic challenge" are basically the same thing. Since FCPS prioritizes focusing on the kids who are behind and ignoring the kids who are ahead, it is impossible to get academic challenge for an above average kid in a gen ed class with too many kids who are behind. UMC kids with educated parents don't need AAP or any self contained program. They do still need some reasonable share of the teacher's attention as well as some reasonable attempt by the teacher to challenge them.

Final statement on all this

AAP is a way to cheat they system by buying in a crappy school district to save on housing costs and still getting a better off education

The choices are

1. Spend the money on housing to be in a decent pyramid or

2. Save money on housing and go to a private school

Bottom line you should be required to pay for the best education, none of this free riding AAP bs.

Buying a gifted diagnosis is a lot cheaper than private school and it allows parents who care about education to self select.

That’s not the way this works. FCPS does not use test scores from unknown entities. GMU provides sliding scales for tests, so they are available to all. There is no buying your way into AAP in FCPS.

You must be naive.

Ask around - it doesn’t work. The people looking at the packets are seriously onto this and do not take sketchy test scores into consideration. I think it’s naive to think that you could somehow buy your way into AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people think Massachusetts has the best schools and they don’t really do anything like AAP in majority of districts and schools… can’t name one district that does, but could be a few. So no, I don’t think it’s necessary.

Because its school systems are much smaller and segregated. The best schools have mostly well off parents. Biggest predictor of academic success is family SES/parents educational level. They don't need AAP. Read between the lines in this forum. AAP is as much about selecting a "good peer group" as it is about the academic challenge.

The problem is that in FCPS, "selecting a good peer group" and receiving "academic challenge" are basically the same thing. Since FCPS prioritizes focusing on the kids who are behind and ignoring the kids who are ahead, it is impossible to get academic challenge for an above average kid in a gen ed class with too many kids who are behind. UMC kids with educated parents don't need AAP or any self contained program. They do still need some reasonable share of the teacher's attention as well as some reasonable attempt by the teacher to challenge them.

Final statement on all this

AAP is a way to cheat they system by buying in a crappy school district to save on housing costs and still getting a better off education

The choices are

1. Spend the money on housing to be in a decent pyramid or

2. Save money on housing and go to a private school

Bottom line you should be required to pay for the best education, none of this free riding AAP bs.

Buying a gifted diagnosis is a lot cheaper than private school and it allows parents who care about education to self select.

That’s not the way this works. FCPS does not use test scores from unknown entities. GMU provides sliding scales for tests, so they are available to all. There is no buying your way into AAP in FCPS.

You must be naive.

Ask around - it doesn’t work. The people looking at the packets are seriously onto this and do not take sketchy test scores into consideration. I think it’s naive to think that you could somehow buy your way into AAP.

It's definitely easier to buy into AAP than TJ and it is taken as gospel on this forum that people buy their way into TJ - if people are buying admission into TJ then people are definitely buying admissions into AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people think Massachusetts has the best schools and they don’t really do anything like AAP in majority of districts and schools… can’t name one district that does, but could be a few. So no, I don’t think it’s necessary.

Because its school systems are much smaller and segregated. The best schools have mostly well off parents. Biggest predictor of academic success is family SES/parents educational level. They don't need AAP. Read between the lines in this forum. AAP is as much about selecting a "good peer group" as it is about the academic challenge.

The problem is that in FCPS, "selecting a good peer group" and receiving "academic challenge" are basically the same thing. Since FCPS prioritizes focusing on the kids who are behind and ignoring the kids who are ahead, it is impossible to get academic challenge for an above average kid in a gen ed class with too many kids who are behind. UMC kids with educated parents don't need AAP or any self contained program. They do still need some reasonable share of the teacher's attention as well as some reasonable attempt by the teacher to challenge them.

Final statement on all this

AAP is a way to cheat they system by buying in a crappy school district to save on housing costs and still getting a better off education

The choices are

1. Spend the money on housing to be in a decent pyramid or

2. Save money on housing and go to a private school

Bottom line you should be required to pay for the best education, none of this free riding AAP bs.

Buying a gifted diagnosis is a lot cheaper than private school and it allows parents who care about education to self select.

That’s not the way this works. FCPS does not use test scores from unknown entities. GMU provides sliding scales for tests, so they are available to all. There is no buying your way into AAP in FCPS.

You must be naive.

Ask around - it doesn’t work. The people looking at the packets are seriously onto this and do not take sketchy test scores into consideration. I think it’s naive to think that you could somehow buy your way into AAP.

It's definitely easier to buy into AAP than TJ and it is taken as gospel on this forum that people buy their way into TJ - if people are buying admission into TJ then people are definitely buying admissions into AAP.

Wrong on all accounts. It is not possible to buy your way into AAP. You can pay for prep, but that's only going to improve your child's scores by 10-15 points. GBRS is 4 times more important than test scores, as shown in the AAP equity report analysis. You can't prep or buy your way into a high GBRS, short of literally bribing the classroom teacher and AART. WISC scores are largely discounted these days. Even if you were to bribe a psychologist to give your child a high score, the admissions committee will most likely ignore the score if the rest of the file doesn't point toward a child who belongs in AAP.

It is not taken as gospel that you can buy your way into TJ. There's one poster who keeps posting nonsense about buying the test answers. Don't fall for the bait. One idiot is repeating lies and hoping that the repetition makes them true. Kids who were selected to TJ in the old system needed the test scores, grades, EC achievements, recommendations, essays, and a whole packet pointing toward the child being a good fit for TJ. Privileged kids had advantages in the old system, as they do in all aspects of life, but nothing rises to the level of buying admissions or even the "buying the test answers" that the PP keeps insisting happened.

Stop spreading lies. Honestly, there are plenty of good, solid reasons to favor TJ and AAP reforms without blatantly lying about the entire thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

Simply not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

Simply not true.

You need to get around more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

Snowflakes don't want to open their eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

Simply not true.

You need to get around more.

Give a few concrete examples that you’re personally aware of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

+1

Manipulating the system to segregate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

Simply not true.

You need to get around more.

Give a few concrete examples that you’re personally aware of.

They can't, because they're making things up. That won't stop them from posting the exact same lies in multiple threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread confirms yet again that parents the worst thing about AAP.

Correction, the worst thing are the parents whose kids don't get in and then become determined to destroy the program.

Anyone who wants their kid in AAP with a few $$$ can make that happen. I don't see the problem.

Simply not true.

You need to get around more.

Give a few concrete examples that you’re personally aware of.

They can't, because they're making things up. That won't stop them from posting the exact same lies in multiple threads.

+1

[Anonymous]

I live in MA so don’t have context for AAP but I can chime in to say that I was a late to learn reader. But once I learned (2nd grade) I became a voracious reader. However I remained group with the struggling to read kids for another 2 years until 5th grade. I don’t think groupings are bad, but there needs to be periodic evaluations to ensure groupings don’t need to change.