Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

[Anonymous]

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And honestly. Can the left just drop this idea that EVs are greener? They aren't. Our sources of electricity are dirty bc solar and wind are kind of dead on arrival and most of our generation sources are dirty. You can have oil dirt or coal dirt. It's all dirt.

Solar and wind aren’t “dead on arrival,” they’re growing. What’s not growing? The amount of fossil fuels in the earth.

Do you really think these numbers make EVs substantially cleaner than oil? And this isn't even touching the environmental issues related to lithium batteries. I only drive electric vehicles and was a hybrid driver before that. EVs are not as clean as people say. The idea that we will substantially improve the environment by driving EVs is ridiculous. You can only consume fuel as clean as what we have-- and we don't have much clean fuel at all.

EVs ARE substantially cleaner than oil, even when taking the batteries into account. The info is readily available and it has been common knowledge for quite some time.

Not sure why people keep yammering about lithium. For example, we now have the technology to efficiently and cost effectively harvest nearly unlimited amounts of lithium from seawater.

https://www.science.org/content/article/seawater-could-provide-nearly-unlimited-amounts-critical-battery-material

Can't say the same for coal or oil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And honestly. Can the left just drop this idea that EVs are greener? They aren't. Our sources of electricity are dirty bc solar and wind are kind of dead on arrival and most of our generation sources are dirty. You can have oil dirt or coal dirt. It's all dirt.

Solar and wind aren’t “dead on arrival,” they’re growing. What’s not growing? The amount of fossil fuels in the earth.

Do you really think these numbers make EVs substantially cleaner than oil? And this isn't even touching the environmental issues related to lithium batteries. I only drive electric vehicles and was a hybrid driver before that. EVs are not as clean as people say. The idea that we will substantially improve the environment by driving EVs is ridiculous. You can only consume fuel as clean as what we have-- and we don't have much clean fuel at all.

EVs ARE substantially cleaner than oil, even when taking the batteries into account. The info is readily available and it has been common knowledge for quite some time.

Not sure why people keep yammering about lithium. For example, we now have the technology to efficiently and cost effectively harvest nearly unlimited amounts of lithium from seawater.

https://www.science.org/content/article/seawater-could-provide-nearly-unlimited-amounts-critical-battery-material

Can't say the same for coal or oil.

You act like that harvesting has no consquences on anything, though. And that's the problem. Anything that involves abundant "harvesting" has negative affects on the ecosystem it's in. Those are things not included in your "efficiently and cost effectively" descriptions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this pop up online and social media. What’s the deal?

Because they hate anything couched under "environmentalism", esp since most democrats support environmental progress. It's as simple as that.
(And ftr, I'm not saying EVs don't have their problems. Some concerns are legitimate. But they are just blanket opposed, which is just their natural, reflexive opposition).

You're shocked that people are opposed to having crap shoved down their throats?

If you're going to say dumb sh---- like this, be specific. What's the "crap"?

And as for "shoved down throats", maybe you're new to this country? Or civilization, generally? Change is often forced upon us, some good and some bad. So, you're in for a rude awakening in life, my friend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And honestly. Can the left just drop this idea that EVs are greener? They aren't. Our sources of electricity are dirty bc solar and wind are kind of dead on arrival and most of our generation sources are dirty. You can have oil dirt or coal dirt. It's all dirt.

Solar and wind aren’t “dead on arrival,” they’re growing. What’s not growing? The amount of fossil fuels in the earth.

Do you really think these numbers make EVs substantially cleaner than oil? And this isn't even touching the environmental issues related to lithium batteries. I only drive electric vehicles and was a hybrid driver before that. EVs are not as clean as people say. The idea that we will substantially improve the environment by driving EVs is ridiculous. You can only consume fuel as clean as what we have-- and we don't have much clean fuel at all.

EVs ARE substantially cleaner than oil, even when taking the batteries into account. The info is readily available and it has been common knowledge for quite some time.

Not sure why people keep yammering about lithium. For example, we now have the technology to efficiently and cost effectively harvest nearly unlimited amounts of lithium from seawater.

https://www.science.org/content/article/seawater-could-provide-nearly-unlimited-amounts-critical-battery-material

Can't say the same for coal or oil.

You act like that harvesting has no consquences on anything, though. And that's the problem. Anything that involves abundant "harvesting" has negative affects on the ecosystem it's in. Those are things not included in your "efficiently and cost effectively" descriptions.

You're joking, right? Are you somehow NOT AWARE of the massive negative effect on ecosystems that harvesting the equivalent of millions of years worth of accumulated biomass in the form of coal, oil and gas and burning it over 150 years, pumping all of that carbon into the atmosphere bringing CO2 levels to heights not seen in hundreds of thousands of years has?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this pop up online and social media. What’s the deal?

Because they hate anything couched under "environmentalism", esp since most democrats support environmental progress. It's as simple as that.
(And ftr, I'm not saying EVs don't have their problems. Some concerns are legitimate. But they are just blanket opposed, which is just their natural, reflexive opposition).

You're shocked that people are opposed to having crap shoved down their throats?

If you're going to say dumb sh---- like this, be specific. What's the "crap"?

And as for "shoved down throats", maybe you're new to this country? Or civilization, generally? Change is often forced upon us, some good and some bad. So, you're in for a rude awakening in life, my friend.

I was gonna say, these right wingers have a downright pornographic obsession with the notion of having things shoved down their throats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And honestly. Can the left just drop this idea that EVs are greener? They aren't. Our sources of electricity are dirty bc solar and wind are kind of dead on arrival and most of our generation sources are dirty. You can have oil dirt or coal dirt. It's all dirt.

Solar and wind aren’t “dead on arrival,” they’re growing. What’s not growing? The amount of fossil fuels in the earth.

Do you really think these numbers make EVs substantially cleaner than oil? And this isn't even touching the environmental issues related to lithium batteries. I only drive electric vehicles and was a hybrid driver before that. EVs are not as clean as people say. The idea that we will substantially improve the environment by driving EVs is ridiculous. You can only consume fuel as clean as what we have-- and we don't have much clean fuel at all.

EVs ARE substantially cleaner than oil, even when taking the batteries into account. The info is readily available and it has been common knowledge for quite some time.

Not sure why people keep yammering about lithium. For example, we now have the technology to efficiently and cost effectively harvest nearly unlimited amounts of lithium from seawater.

https://www.science.org/content/article/seawater-could-provide-nearly-unlimited-amounts-critical-battery-material

Can't say the same for coal or oil.

You act like that harvesting has no consquences on anything, though. And that's the problem. Anything that involves abundant "harvesting" has negative affects on the ecosystem it's in. Those are things not included in your "efficiently and cost effectively" descriptions.

Sure because ICVs use no resources? You know how bad steel is? From mining- finish product?

[Anonymous]

Because everyone in the EV movement, except Toyota, is chasing the less efficient, non-scalable solution. So, in 10 years you will have tons of lithium batteries to recycle when everyone switches to hydrogen power. Yes still need batteries but a smaller pack. Also hydrogen is scalable to support the rail and shipping industries, while the “Tesla model” of EV technology is not. People are chasing the wrong technology. We did the same with nuclear power, so now instead of building molten salt reactors that cannot melt down we chase solar and wind, unreliable and inefficient solutions. Must be a byproduct of the past 20 years of a failed education system in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this pop up online and social media. What’s the deal?

Because they hate anything couched under "environmentalism", esp since most democrats support environmental progress. It's as simple as that.
(And ftr, I'm not saying EVs don't have their problems. Some concerns are legitimate. But they are just blanket opposed, which is just their natural, reflexive opposition).

You're shocked that people are opposed to having crap shoved down their throats?

If you're going to say dumb sh---- like this, be specific. What's the "crap"?

And as for "shoved down throats", maybe you're new to this country? Or civilization, generally? Change is often forced upon us, some good and some bad. So, you're in for a rude awakening in life, my friend.

We're not friends, especially not with this clownish behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anyway, Republicans aren't opposed to EVs, they just arent sold that EVs meet the needs of every consumer in America. Tesla ownership is split between Rs and Ds. And Republicans are much less sold on the environmental benefits of EVs, and the actual ability of the US to power EVs (without a grid crisis) if everyone owns an EV by 2030. This is true even among Republican EV owners like me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Republicans aren't opposed to EVs, they just arent sold that EVs meet the needs of every consumer in America. Tesla ownership is split between Rs and Ds. And Republicans are much less sold on the environmental benefits of EVs, and the actual ability of the US to power EVs (without a grid crisis) if everyone owns an EV by 2030. This is true even among Republican EV owners like me.

No republicans are scared of “new” things and science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because everyone in the EV movement, except Toyota, is chasing the less efficient, non-scalable solution. So, in 10 years you will have tons of lithium batteries to recycle when everyone switches to hydrogen power. Yes still need batteries but a smaller pack. Also hydrogen is scalable to support the rail and shipping industries, while the “Tesla model” of EV technology is not. People are chasing the wrong technology. We did the same with nuclear power, so now instead of building molten salt reactors that cannot melt down we chase solar and wind, unreliable and inefficient solutions. Must be a byproduct of the past 20 years of a failed education system in the US.

Hydrogen? You're delusional. There's no net energy in hydrogen (even putting aside the massive transportation and storage issues). Far more efficient to use the electricity directly.

In 10 years, the vast majority of cars will still be using gas/diesel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And honestly. Can the left just drop this idea that EVs are greener? They aren't. Our sources of electricity are dirty bc solar and wind are kind of dead on arrival and most of our generation sources are dirty. You can have oil dirt or coal dirt. It's all dirt.

Solar and wind aren’t “dead on arrival,” they’re growing. What’s not growing? The amount of fossil fuels in the earth.

Do you really think these numbers make EVs substantially cleaner than oil? And this isn't even touching the environmental issues related to lithium batteries. I only drive electric vehicles and was a hybrid driver before that. EVs are not as clean as people say. The idea that we will substantially improve the environment by driving EVs is ridiculous. You can only consume fuel as clean as what we have-- and we don't have much clean fuel at all.

EVs ARE substantially cleaner than oil, even when taking the batteries into account. The info is readily available and it has been common knowledge for quite some time.

Not sure why people keep yammering about lithium. For example, we now have the technology to efficiently and cost effectively harvest nearly unlimited amounts of lithium from seawater.

https://www.science.org/content/article/seawater-could-provide-nearly-unlimited-amounts-critical-battery-material

Can't say the same for coal or oil.

From your link:

"The advance is still not likely cheap enough to compete with mining lithium on land, Liu says."

Oops, turns out we don't have the technology to effectively remove lithium from sea water.

And we do have the technology to cheaply and efficiently remove oil and coal from the ground. We've been doing it for over 100 years.

[Anonymous]

New York abandons electric snow plows

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/new-york-abandons-electric-snow-plows/ar-AA1jyazz


Who couldn't see this happening. The physics of it - weight vs. energy produced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because everyone in the EV movement, except Toyota, is chasing the less efficient, non-scalable solution. So, in 10 years you will have tons of lithium batteries to recycle when everyone switches to hydrogen power. Yes still need batteries but a smaller pack. Also hydrogen is scalable to support the rail and shipping industries, while the “Tesla model” of EV technology is not. People are chasing the wrong technology. We did the same with nuclear power, so now instead of building molten salt reactors that cannot melt down we chase solar and wind, unreliable and inefficient solutions. Must be a byproduct of the past 20 years of a failed education system in the US.

Hydrogen? You're delusional. There's no net energy in hydrogen (even putting aside the massive transportation and storage issues). Far more efficient to use the electricity directly.

In 10 years, the vast majority of cars will still be using gas/diesel.

But in 20 years the vast majority of cars will be EVs. The life span of a new car is about 12 years. Projection show 1/2 the new cars will be EVs by 2032. So by 2043 most cars on will be EVs. Specially because EVs have a longer projected life span 15-20 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And honestly. Can the left just drop this idea that EVs are greener? They aren't. Our sources of electricity are dirty bc solar and wind are kind of dead on arrival and most of our generation sources are dirty. You can have oil dirt or coal dirt. It's all dirt.

Solar and wind aren’t “dead on arrival,” they’re growing. What’s not growing? The amount of fossil fuels in the earth.

Do you really think these numbers make EVs substantially cleaner than oil? And this isn't even touching the environmental issues related to lithium batteries. I only drive electric vehicles and was a hybrid driver before that. EVs are not as clean as people say. The idea that we will substantially improve the environment by driving EVs is ridiculous. You can only consume fuel as clean as what we have-- and we don't have much clean fuel at all.

EVs ARE substantially cleaner than oil, even when taking the batteries into account. The info is readily available and it has been common knowledge for quite some time.

Not sure why people keep yammering about lithium. For example, we now have the technology to efficiently and cost effectively harvest nearly unlimited amounts of lithium from seawater.

https://www.science.org/content/article/seawater-could-provide-nearly-unlimited-amounts-critical-battery-material

Can't say the same for coal or oil.

From your link:

"The advance is still not likely cheap enough to compete with mining lithium on land, Liu says."

Oops, turns out we don't have the technology to effectively remove lithium from sea water.

And we do have the technology to cheaply and efficiently remove oil and coal from the ground. We've been doing it for over 100 years.

Depends on where you're getting the lithium from. We could for example stop getting it from China and other unfriendly places.
As for oil and coal it gets worse and worse every decade because they are in fact in dwindling supply and are harder and harder to get to.