Wilson / Jackson-Reed Teacher saying slurs

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw the video. Unless it was cut short or something the teacher did not lose his cool at all. Not at all. He did use the word to deny it applied to him but only after questioning why the student was using it at all. Teens are known for their black and white sense of right and wrong and their not fully developed ability to see nuance. I think a grown, wise adult (especially one who knows this teacher and that he’s as far from being racist as one could get) can reasonably see why he used that word in order to “return to sender” it’s like an arrow bouncing off a shield. He did not shoot the arrow. Context matters, even in the eyes of the law. Intent matters. The students were being incredibly disrespectful and we’re clearly harassing a hardworking and very effective teacher. He showed the student the door in a calm, direct manner. If there is more to the story it certainly was not evident in the video I saw.

From what you describe, I think he was incredibly brave to use the n word in this particular scenario. It sounds like he was disempowering what his attacker was trying to do. No one is brave enough to ever do that. He sounds like a true teacher to have not fainted dead away and instead stood his ground and taught a lesson around the n word. It reminds of take back the night in the 90s when we were all riot girrrls and stood our ground against those who would use sexual violence to diminish our right to healthily take up space in the world. This guy is amazing..I would want him teaching my kids. Brave!

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?

The court of public opinion at JR will have some students believing he called the kid the n-word. Or used the slur to describe a kid. And that alone will make the teacher have to leave the school to have any semblance of respect from kids. If you haven’t taught HS I can understand how you might think facts are what determines this. They are not. Rumors and misunderstandings are enough for him to have to leave. People don’t understand unless you work in this environment.

In my opinion this just adds to the reasons why the teacher should not have used that word.

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I have not seen the video. I teach at a different high school and unfortunately this type of student behavior is not uncommon. It has been a horrible year.
Teachers are done. I feel for this teacher. We try to be role models but it is hard not to lose your cool occasionally when you are constantly treated with disrespect. There are no consequences for students in schools anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?

The court of public opinion at JR will have some students believing he called the kid the n-word. Or used the slur to describe a kid. And that alone will make the teacher have to leave the school to have any semblance of respect from kids. If you haven’t taught HS I can understand how you might think facts are what determines this. They are not. Rumors and misunderstandings are enough for him to have to leave. People don’t understand unless you work in this environment.

This isn't punishment. There is a difference between an unintended consequence and punishment. What SHOULD happen? I bet you and I roughly agree, despite the fact that you (perhaps?) and I disagree about whether he was justified in using the n word.

I find this to be semantics because ultimately his reputation is tarnished. I don’t think he should have used that word but I also don’t think he should get anything more than a reprimand from his boss or go to a training on how to deescalate a situation or respond to this. I do not think he should have to quit over this, which he will. I don’t think it’s a unintended consequence for what he said- it’s a punishment.

Everybody here agrees with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not seen the video. I teach at a different high school and unfortunately this type of student behavior is not uncommon. It has been a horrible year.
Teachers are done. I feel for this teacher. We try to be role models but it is hard not to lose your cool occasionally when you are constantly treated with disrespect. There are no consequences for students in schools anymore.

I'm sorry. I couldn't do your job..thank you. To me it doesn't seem like the teacher lost his cool, even if that was the kids greatest hope/plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not seen the video. I teach at a different high school and unfortunately this type of student behavior is not uncommon. It has been a horrible year.
Teachers are done. I feel for this teacher. We try to be role models but it is hard not to lose your cool occasionally when you are constantly treated with disrespect. There are no consequences for students in schools anymore.

I'm sorry. I couldn't do your job..thank you. To me it doesn't seem like the teacher lost his cool, even if that was the kids greatest hope/plan.

Uuuuh he used the n word. In public school. On video. Pretty sure that wouldn’t have been in his game plan if he was thinking with a cool head.

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Wait so the new defense for using the n word is not that he said it in the heat of the moment, but that he said it in a calm, intentional manner?

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Anonymous wrote:Wait so the new defense for using the n word is not that he said it in the heat of the moment, but that he said it in a calm, intentional manner?

Good God. He doesn't need a defense. When people say the n word you know what word I hear in my head? The full word. And you keep saying it, sheesh. Yes, intentions matter. He did not use it as a slur, unlike the student.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait so the new defense for using the n word is not that he said it in the heat of the moment, but that he said it in a calm, intentional manner?

Good God. He doesn't need a defense. When people say the n word you know what word I hear in my head? The full word. And you keep saying it, sheesh. Yes, intentions matter. He did not use it as a slur, unlike the student.

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It's not kryptonite. It's not salt on slugs. It's not a bucket of water on a witch. Just stop with the stop, drop and roll. This was not a teacher with a secret racist blog or whatnot. He repeated back an awful choice a student made, and that's called teaching. Naming things that people do back to them is very powerful..what's sad is that this is the response to yet another angry young man (presumably) lashing out. Shouldn't you show more concern over his awful, awful choices and cry for help for a grownup to see him, acknowledge him, and support him? This student need a the h word (H - E - L- P).

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Anonymous wrote:Wait so the new defense for using the n word is not that he said it in the heat of the moment, but that he said it in a calm, intentional manner?

Good God. He doesn't need a defense. When people say the n word you know what word I hear in my head? The full word. And you keep saying it, sheesh. Yes, intentions matter. He did not use it as a slur, unlike the student.

Based on what everyone here thinks might happen to the teacher; forced to leave the school, canceled, nasty gossip and lies, fired, forced to leave school, etc., it's pretty obvious that intent does not matter.

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For all you people that think it was okay for the teacher to use that word, fine. Go ahead and use it. And please report back and let us know how that works out for you.

Also, don't forget to teach your kids when to, and not to use the word.

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Anonymous wrote:For all you people that think it was okay for the teacher to use that word, fine. Go ahead and use it. And please report back and let us know how that works out for you.

Also, don't forget to teach your kids when to, and not to use the word.

I'm pretty sure the folks defending the teacher, who let's not forget was subjected to possible hate speech, do teach their kids when to (?), And not to use the word. I can't imagine telling my child they are not allowed to say "I am not a b*, c*, etc" if someone calls them that. The n word doesn't have actual magical properties. You won't actual melt into the pavement if someone call you that and you refute it. Yes, words have power. But not to dissolve the time/space continuum.

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Anonymous wrote:For all you people that think it was okay for the teacher to use that word, fine. Go ahead and use it. And please report back and let us know how that works out for you.

Also, don't forget to teach your kids when to, and not to use the word.

I'm pretty sure the folks defending the teacher, who let's not forget was subjected to possible hate speech, do teach their kids when to (?), And not to use the word. I can't imagine telling my child they are not allowed to say "I am not a b*, c*, etc" if someone calls them that. The n word doesn't have actual magical properties. You won't actual melt into the pavement if someone call you that and you refute it. Yes, words have power. But not to dissolve the time/space continuum.

B&tch and the N word are not comparable.

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I hope the teacher does not leave JR and DCPS. That would not be a good resolution.
Lack of structure and no consequences for students is a terrible disservice to students.
We are not providing students with the tools to function successfully in the real world