Wilson / Jackson-Reed Teacher saying slurs

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?

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you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nope, nobody here has even hinted that it's okay to use the word as a racial slur. What we are saying is that it does not matter the context, keep that word from coming out of your mouth.

Why would you call someone that name?

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?

The court of public opinion at JR will have some students believing he called the kid the n-word. Or used the slur to describe a kid. And that alone will make the teacher have to leave the school to have any semblance of respect from kids. If you haven’t taught HS I can understand how you might think facts are what determines this. They are not. Rumors and misunderstandings are enough for him to have to leave. People don’t understand unless you work in this environment.

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?

The court of public opinion at JR will have some students believing he called the kid the n-word. Or used the slur to describe a kid. And that alone will make the teacher have to leave the school to have any semblance of respect from kids. If you haven’t taught HS I can understand how you might think facts are what determines this. They are not. Rumors and misunderstandings are enough for him to have to leave. People don’t understand unless you work in this environment.

This isn't punishment. There is a difference between an unintended consequence and punishment. What SHOULD happen? I bet you and I roughly agree, despite the fact that you (perhaps?) and I disagree about whether he was justified in using the n word.

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?

The court of public opinion at JR will have some students believing he called the kid the n-word. Or used the slur to describe a kid. And that alone will make the teacher have to leave the school to have any semblance of respect from kids. If you haven’t taught HS I can understand how you might think facts are what determines this. They are not. Rumors and misunderstandings are enough for him to have to leave. People don’t understand unless you work in this environment.

This isn't punishment. There is a difference between an unintended consequence and punishment. What SHOULD happen? I bet you and I roughly agree, despite the fact that you (perhaps?) and I disagree about whether he was justified in using the n word.

I find this to be semantics because ultimately his reputation is tarnished. I don’t think he should have used that word but I also don’t think he should get anything more than a reprimand from his boss or go to a training on how to deescalate a situation or respond to this. I do not think he should have to quit over this, which he will. I don’t think it’s a unintended consequence for what he said- it’s a punishment.

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Just saw the video. Unless it was cut short or something the teacher did not lose his cool at all. Not at all. He did use the word to deny it applied to him but only after questioning why the student was using it at all. Teens are known for their black and white sense of right and wrong and their not fully developed ability to see nuance. I think a grown, wise adult (especially one who knows this teacher and that he’s as far from being racist as one could get) can reasonably see why he used that word in order to “return to sender” it’s like an arrow bouncing off a shield. He did not shoot the arrow. Context matters, even in the eyes of the law. Intent matters. The students were being incredibly disrespectful and we’re clearly harassing a hardworking and very effective teacher. He showed the student the door in a calm, direct manner. If there is more to the story it certainly was not evident in the video I saw.

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

I don't know what an n***word would be or mean if it were translated to a non-slur. Oaf? Idiot? It is a horrible horrible word with hundreds of years of harm behind it. I don't quite understand what repeating it back means, I am not an idiot? The teacher could have said you are debasing yourself by using these terms of hate. You are better than that."

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher denied that he was a n**. He did not call the kid that. Why should he not use the word to deny what he was called?

So some people on here are saying that no white person should say the word no matter what the context is, such as in this situation, but anybody black can say it whenever they want, in whatever context they want to whoever they want……..Got it.

Nobody said that. Nobody has said that it was an appropriate thing for the child to say.

It's what she has to pretend the argument is in order to make her argument that sometimes white people get to say the n word.

you act like white people are looking for a chance to use it as a racial slur? that’s not what I see. the point is that while discretion is important, discussing thr word qua word should not be a cancellable offence. there was nothing wrong with how this teacher used it.

Nobody has said that. You can discuss the usage of the word, debate who should and should not use the word, deny being the word, but in doing so a White person should not actually say the word. Nobody wants the teacher canceled.

But that is what will happen. He has no support and he will leave because of it. It’s as good as being cancelled.

What exactly do you think is going to happen? Like, what is the chain of events in your mind?

The chain of events for the teacher? He will not stay at the school because once rumors and videos of this circulate his reputation will be ruined at JR. I’ve seen it happen in other circumstances in the past- false accusations against teachers are really damaging.

false accusation?

That he called the kid a slur. Or used a slur against the kid.

Who accused him of calling the kid a slur? You guys are just making stuff up. smh

Right? The level of strawmen being created in this thread is unusual, even for DCUM.

We’re not parsing what was said on this thread, but the context. And the thread title absolutely suggests the teacher *called a student the n-word*. and the only reason we are here debating this is that professors and teachers and others have absolutely been attacked and had their jobs threatened for similar incidents.

I'm not sure what you want to argue. Okay, sure others in other circumstances have had their jobs threatened. Nobody here is advocating for that. Is somebody advocating for that elsewhere that we should be aware of?

The court of public opinion at JR will have some students believing he called the kid the n-word. Or used the slur to describe a kid. And that alone will make the teacher have to leave the school to have any semblance of respect from kids. If you haven’t taught HS I can understand how you might think facts are what determines this. They are not. Rumors and misunderstandings are enough for him to have to leave. People don’t understand unless you work in this environment.

This isn't punishment. There is a difference between an unintended consequence and punishment. What SHOULD happen? I bet you and I roughly agree, despite the fact that you (perhaps?) and I disagree about whether he was justified in using the n word.

I find this to be semantics because ultimately his reputation is tarnished. I don’t think he should have used that word but I also don’t think he should get anything more than a reprimand from his boss or go to a training on how to deescalate a situation or respond to this. I do not think he should have to quit over this, which he will. I don’t think it’s a unintended consequence for what he said- it’s a punishment.

We agree then, about what should happen. But, this is exactly the reason that no teacher should ever take the bait from a child like this and say the n word or any other slur aloud. This unfortunate unintended consequence is a predictable result. We will see what happens. In the meantime, if there's anything you think parents or the administration should do, feel free to say that.

I disagree with you that this is a distinction without difference. But I suspect that we could not come to terms over intended versus unintended consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw the video. Unless it was cut short or something the teacher did not lose his cool at all. Not at all. He did use the word to deny it applied to him but only after questioning why the student was using it at all. Teens are known for their black and white sense of right and wrong and their not fully developed ability to see nuance. I think a grown, wise adult (especially one who knows this teacher and that he’s as far from being racist as one could get) can reasonably see why he used that word in order to “return to sender” it’s like an arrow bouncing off a shield. He did not shoot the arrow. Context matters, even in the eyes of the law. Intent matters. The students were being incredibly disrespectful and we’re clearly harassing a hardworking and very effective teacher. He showed the student the door in a calm, direct manner. If there is more to the story it certainly was not evident in the video I saw.

From what you describe, I think he was incredibly brave to use the n word in this particular scenario. It sounds like he was disempowering what his attacker was trying to do. No one is brave enough to ever do that. He sounds like a true teacher to have not fainted dead away and instead stood his ground and taught a lesson around the n word. It reminds of take back the night in the 90s when we were all riot girrrls and stood our ground against those who would use sexual violence to diminish our right to healthily take up space in the world. This guy is amazing..I would want him teaching my kids. Brave!

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I hope dozens of teachers also leave Wilson/J-R if this teacher does depart.

That might put some sense into those charged with the administration of DCPS that their tolerance of bratty, undisciplined, out-of-control kids has consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw the video. Unless it was cut short or something the teacher did not lose his cool at all. Not at all. He did use the word to deny it applied to him but only after questioning why the student was using it at all. Teens are known for their black and white sense of right and wrong and their not fully developed ability to see nuance. I think a grown, wise adult (especially one who knows this teacher and that he’s as far from being racist as one could get) can reasonably see why he used that word in order to “return to sender” it’s like an arrow bouncing off a shield. He did not shoot the arrow. Context matters, even in the eyes of the law. Intent matters. The students were being incredibly disrespectful and we’re clearly harassing a hardworking and very effective teacher. He showed the student the door in a calm, direct manner. If there is more to the story it certainly was not evident in the video I saw.

From what you describe, I think he was incredibly brave to use the n word in this particular scenario. It sounds like he was disempowering what his attacker was trying to do. No one is brave enough to ever do that. He sounds like a true teacher to have not fainted dead away and instead stood his ground and taught a lesson around the n word. It reminds of take back the night in the 90s when we were all riot girrrls and stood our ground against those who would use sexual violence to diminish our right to healthily take up space in the world. This guy is amazing..I would want him teaching my kids. Brave!

Oh my god. It is not brave to use the n word.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw the video. Unless it was cut short or something the teacher did not lose his cool at all. Not at all. He did use the word to deny it applied to him but only after questioning why the student was using it at all. Teens are known for their black and white sense of right and wrong and their not fully developed ability to see nuance. I think a grown, wise adult (especially one who knows this teacher and that he’s as far from being racist as one could get) can reasonably see why he used that word in order to “return to sender” it’s like an arrow bouncing off a shield. He did not shoot the arrow. Context matters, even in the eyes of the law. Intent matters. The students were being incredibly disrespectful and we’re clearly harassing a hardworking and very effective teacher. He showed the student the door in a calm, direct manner. If there is more to the story it certainly was not evident in the video I saw.

From what you describe, I think he was incredibly brave to use the n word in this particular scenario. It sounds like he was disempowering what his attacker was trying to do. No one is brave enough to ever do that. He sounds like a true teacher to have not fainted dead away and instead stood his ground and taught a lesson around the n word. It reminds of take back the night in the 90s when we were all riot girrrls and stood our ground against those who would use sexual violence to diminish our right to healthily take up space in the world. This guy is amazing..I would want him teaching my kids. Brave!

kathleen hannah would spit on you

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw the video. Unless it was cut short or something the teacher did not lose his cool at all. Not at all. He did use the word to deny it applied to him but only after questioning why the student was using it at all. Teens are known for their black and white sense of right and wrong and their not fully developed ability to see nuance. I think a grown, wise adult (especially one who knows this teacher and that he’s as far from being racist as one could get) can reasonably see why he used that word in order to “return to sender” it’s like an arrow bouncing off a shield. He did not shoot the arrow. Context matters, even in the eyes of the law. Intent matters. The students were being incredibly disrespectful and we’re clearly harassing a hardworking and very effective teacher. He showed the student the door in a calm, direct manner. If there is more to the story it certainly was not evident in the video I saw.

From what you describe, I think he was incredibly brave to use the n word in this particular scenario. It sounds like he was disempowering what his attacker was trying to do. No one is brave enough to ever do that. He sounds like a true teacher to have not fainted dead away and instead stood his ground and taught a lesson around the n word. It reminds of take back the night in the 90s when we were all riot girrrls and stood our ground against those who would use sexual violence to diminish our right to healthily take up space in the world. This guy is amazing..I would want him teaching my kids. Brave!

Oh my god. It is not brave to use the n word.

Agree. We have a zero tolerance on any and all racial slurs. Not acceptable in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw the video. Unless it was cut short or something the teacher did not lose his cool at all. Not at all. He did use the word to deny it applied to him but only after questioning why the student was using it at all. Teens are known for their black and white sense of right and wrong and their not fully developed ability to see nuance. I think a grown, wise adult (especially one who knows this teacher and that he’s as far from being racist as one could get) can reasonably see why he used that word in order to “return to sender” it’s like an arrow bouncing off a shield. He did not shoot the arrow. Context matters, even in the eyes of the law. Intent matters. The students were being incredibly disrespectful and we’re clearly harassing a hardworking and very effective teacher. He showed the student the door in a calm, direct manner. If there is more to the story it certainly was not evident in the video I saw.

From what you describe, I think he was incredibly brave to use the n word in this particular scenario. It sounds like he was disempowering what his attacker was trying to do. No one is brave enough to ever do that. He sounds like a true teacher to have not fainted dead away and instead stood his ground and taught a lesson around the n word. It reminds of take back the night in the 90s when we were all riot girrrls and stood our ground against those who would use sexual violence to diminish our right to healthily take up space in the world. This guy is amazing..I would want him teaching my kids. Brave!

Oh my god. It is not brave to use the n word.

In this scenario it 100 percent was. It was what this child hoped for yet, wasn't expecting because every white person on the planet knows "only black people are allowed to use the n word". This kid throwing the n and f word wanted to watch his teacher get all tongue tied and flummoxed and was hoping against how to make him really really angry and lashy outy. Well, he failed and the teacher didn't "use it". He refuted it. Brilliant. I am so glad there are a few people left on the planet with backbone and ethics.

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Anonymous wrote:Does DCUM really think it is acceptable for white people to say the N word under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. And also think that its ok to police black usage of a word that WHITE PEOPLE created to dehumanize them. Y’all are weird. Really really odd people. I thought this was DC not the Deep South. But I guess white parents arent afraid to send their students to integrated schools in the Deep South.

Up until a few years ago, discussing the n word as a word was not unusual; and even today the NYTimes prints it in its entirety. I understand that norms change; that at this point using “n-word” is the better choice in a classroom. But I vehemently disagree that anyone should be punished for saying the word out loud in a way that is not a slur. The word is literally *everywhere* out loud in DC. It’s obviously all about context.

Also the n-word wasn’t created to dehumanize; it evolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html

https://reason.com/2021/04/30/at-the-new-york-times-intent-does-not-matter-when-someone-uses-the-n-word-except-when-it-does/?amp

Exactly who here is advocating for the teacher to be punished?

don’t play dumb

show me

unless you consider internet opprobrium punishment

thats what i thought.

+1 Call me dumb too because I've read this whole thread and not one person has said the teacher should be punished.

you’re naive if you don’t think that’s a possibility here

You're changing the subject.