Pandemic Babies and Speech

[Anonymous]

This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

[Anonymous]

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Does anyone here believe that mask wearing by a significant caregiver does not delay the speech development of babies and toddlers?

Me.

And how would you say, do babies and toddlers learn to speak?

From people around them. Do you have your children in daycare 24/7?

If mom works 8 hours, has an hour lunch and an hour commute, her kid is in childcare the bulk of their waking hours. Do the math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

You don’t talk to your child?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Does anyone here believe that mask wearing by a significant caregiver does not delay the speech development of babies and toddlers?

Me.

And how would you say, do babies and toddlers learn to speak?

From people around them. Do you have your children in daycare 24/7?

If mom works 8 hours, has an hour lunch and an hour commute, her kid is in childcare the bulk of their waking hours. Do the math.

Exactly. The weekends don’t allow that much time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

This argument might make sense it the language delays were impacting only a small minority of kids, but we don't know that yet.

P.S. The kids who will get behind and never catch up are those born to families with limited resources. Same goes with the 20% rise in childhood obesity in one year we saw with the pandemic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

This argument might make sense it the language delays were impacting only a small minority of kids, but we don't know that yet.

P.S. The kids who will get behind and never catch up are those born to families with limited resources. Same goes with the 20% rise in childhood obesity in one year we saw with the pandemic

Unless you have a time machine what’s your solution?

[Anonymous]

If a young child is spending most waking hours with a masked caregiver, of course speech development with be negatively affected! How is this even a question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a young child is spending most waking hours with a masked caregiver, of course speech development with be negatively affected! How is this even a question?

*will be

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

This argument might make sense it the language delays were impacting only a small minority of kids, but we don't know that yet.

P.S. The kids who will get behind and never catch up are those born to families with limited resources. Same goes with the 20% rise in childhood obesity in one year we saw with the pandemic

Unless you have a time machine what’s your solution?

Let individual daycares and schools decide if they want to mask and allow parents to vote with their dollars/feet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a young child is spending most waking hours with a masked caregiver, of course speech development with be negatively affected! How is this even a question?

Because it somehow become acceptable in our culture to ask people who have their whole lives ahead of them to sacrifice for people who have their lives behind them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a young child is spending most waking hours with a masked caregiver, of course speech development with be negatively affected! How is this even a question?

Because it somehow become acceptable in our culture to ask people who have their whole lives ahead of them to sacrifice for people who have their lives behind them.

That’s nuts and anti-science. I’m hearing more and more that schools are in reality more safe than having the children out and about the community all day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

Now say that to the moms of teens on suicide watch because they haven’t seen their friends in two years. What color is the sky in the world you live in? Honest question.

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Does anyone here believe that mask wearing by a significant caregiver does not delay the speech development of babies and toddlers?

I believe that across a population, mask wearing by a significant caregiver causes more speech delays that would happen without masks. I do not believe that mask wearing causes speech delays in every child. I choose to roll the dice on speech delays by sending my children to daycare with masked caregivers and I’m not advocating for them to be unmasked since I am more concerned about illness in the caregiver than increased risk of speech delay for my children but I would love to see some population level studies on this to actually see what the relative risks actually are.

What about emotional learning? I once smiled at my 2 yo daughter with my mask on when were out of the house somewhere and she was completely unresponsive. I smiled again and again no response. She couldn't tell I was smiling with my mask on. I finally got a smile back when I pulled down my mask and smiled at her a third time.

I also don’t know about emotional learning. My 2-year-old reacts when I smile at her with my mask on (my eyes crinkle a lot when I smile maybe?), but your experience definitely makes me think this might be another situation where there are definitely delays across a population even if they don’t effect every kid the same way.

This makes me think of the Harvard quiz of trying to recognize emotions from just the eyes. I wonder if today's toddlers will be a lot more perceptive of that. Unfortunately, my three year old has been very focused on my forehead lines as a barometer of how I'm feeling.

Yes, I think the one upside of masking is making children read more of the face (which means my toddler calls me out on it when I just put on a smile but my eyes are definitely betraying how tired and done I am). My two year old has no problems reading a smile through a mask, whether it’s familiar caregivers or strangers. For parents who are interested, I really like the book, “Mad Sad Happy.” It shows pictures of children with different emotions, first revealing only the eyes, then a little more of the face on each page while the child guesses the emotion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

Now say that to the moms of teens on suicide watch because they haven’t seen their friends in two years. What color is the sky in the world you live in? Honest question.

We’re talking about infants and toddlers here, since you seem to be confused.