Pandemic Babies and Speech

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

Now say that to the moms of teens on suicide watch because they haven’t seen their friends in two years. What color is the sky in the world you live in? Honest question.

Parents of teens are grossly shortsighted to keep their teens on lockdown. The rampant fear mongering is borderline criminal. “My kid committed suicide, but at least he didn’t have covid.” WTF!?!

Is this a phenomenon peculiar to the DC area? Most people I know in other areas seem to be getting on with their lives after vaccinations.

Yes, it’s this area. Like the PP who called people “entitled” for wanting their kids to be in the best developmental environment possible. You could reverse that idiotic post to say:

Requiring masks in caregiving settings is not required in most parts of the country, and we have not seen a huge rise in pediatric deaths or covid complications in those areas. So if there is little public health benefit and possible harm being done to some children, why would we not provide options of unmasked care settings for those parents who want or need it? Why are you pushing your desire to mask toddlers and their caregivers on other people just because your kid appears fine right now? The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

I’m getting ready to move to DC (maybe, I’ll say this COVID hysteria gives me pause) and had never heard of masking providers in daycare before looking into daycares in the area. Our current daycare doesn’t - has never - masked, and there have been 0 serious or even moderate cases.

The COVID hysteria should give you pause if you have young kids. My husband and I are starting to have real conversations about whether we want our children raised in this kind of environment.

+1. Waiting to see if the masks disappear by the Spring. If the masks come back in Fall 2023, we are moving. Don’t want to move, so hoping the hysteria dies after Omicron sweeps through.

Same. I will cut bait before my oldest starts kindergarten. I can’t live with the hysteria and overprecautions

Same here. Enough is enough already.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has evolved in a dumb discussion. The people saying masks don’t cause speech delays simply because every single baby in daycare is not delayed are clearly the same people advocating that schools be shut down across the country. “The increased suicide rate isn’t related because every single high schooler hasn’t committed suicide!”

There’s no reasoning with those people because there’s no brain cells to reason to. If your child is delayed (mine is), get help, and find some place that doesn’t mask the only people talking to them.

If your child is delayed and others are not the solution is to get help for your child and not try to change the rules simply to suit you. The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

Now say that to the moms of teens on suicide watch because they haven’t seen their friends in two years. What color is the sky in the world you live in? Honest question.

Parents of teens are grossly shortsighted to keep their teens on lockdown. The rampant fear mongering is borderline criminal. “My kid committed suicide, but at least he didn’t have covid.” WTF!?!

Is this a phenomenon peculiar to the DC area? Most people I know in other areas seem to be getting on with their lives after vaccinations.

Yes, it’s this area. Like the PP who called people “entitled” for wanting their kids to be in the best developmental environment possible. You could reverse that idiotic post to say:

Requiring masks in caregiving settings is not required in most parts of the country, and we have not seen a huge rise in pediatric deaths or covid complications in those areas. So if there is little public health benefit and possible harm being done to some children, why would we not provide options of unmasked care settings for those parents who want or need it? Why are you pushing your desire to mask toddlers and their caregivers on other people just because your kid appears fine right now? The level of entitlement some people have is mind-boggling.

I’m getting ready to move to DC (maybe, I’ll say this COVID hysteria gives me pause) and had never heard of masking providers in daycare before looking into daycares in the area. Our current daycare doesn’t - has never - masked, and there have been 0 serious or even moderate cases.

The COVID hysteria should give you pause if you have young kids. My husband and I are starting to have real conversations about whether we want our children raised in this kind of environment.

+1. Waiting to see if the masks disappear by the Spring. If the masks come back in Fall 2023, we are moving. Don’t want to move, so hoping the hysteria dies after Omicron sweeps through.

Same. I will cut bait before my oldest starts kindergarten. I can’t live with the hysteria and overprecautions

Same here. Enough is enough already.

Fall 2023 is two years away. Why not just leave now?

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Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

Except community health is NOT protected.
Nice try, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

Except community health is NOT protected.
Nice try, PP.

Masking stops transmission. Should we all be wandering around with no masks everywhere? Doctors and nurses included?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

Except community health is NOT protected.
Nice try, PP.

Masking stops transmission. Should we all be wandering around with no masks everywhere? Doctors and nurses included?

Ok what hole are you living under? You have serious issues with reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DS (second kid) was born in mid-summer of 2020 and has been in daycare since fall 2020. He has lots of conversations with me, and plenty of voice inflection, but only has actual words for me, DH, and the dog. His sister was a late talker and now will not stop talking, so for the past couple months I’ve been taking a wait and see approach. Listening to muffled speech from masking obviously doesn’t help.

Is anyone else’s pandemic baby in the same boat? What’s the wait on an evaluation these days?

Did you have her evaluated at the time?

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Anonymous wrote:DS (second kid) was born in mid-summer of 2020 and has been in daycare since fall 2020. He has lots of conversations with me, and plenty of voice inflection, but only has actual words for me, DH, and the dog. His sister was a late talker and now will not stop talking, so for the past couple months I’ve been taking a wait and see approach. Listening to muffled speech from masking obviously doesn’t help.

Is anyone else’s pandemic baby in the same boat? What’s the wait on an evaluation these days?

Did you have her evaluated at the time?

OP here. When I talked to her pediatrician about it at the time, she said she was definitely on the low range of normal with 8-10 words at 18 months and that while she would be happy to provide a referral if we were very worried she thought that DD would probably catch up soon. Which is what happened.

I’m going to get DS evaluated since he is below that but part of the reason why I haven’t sought an evaluation up to this point was that I was wondering if it was like showing up to the ER right now for sniffles.

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Anonymous wrote:DS (second kid) was born in mid-summer of 2020 and has been in daycare since fall 2020. He has lots of conversations with me, and plenty of voice inflection, but only has actual words for me, DH, and the dog. His sister was a late talker and now will not stop talking, so for the past couple months I’ve been taking a wait and see approach. Listening to muffled speech from masking obviously doesn’t help.

Is anyone else’s pandemic baby in the same boat? What’s the wait on an evaluation these days?

Did you have her evaluated at the time?

OP here. When I talked to her pediatrician about it at the time, she said she was definitely on the low range of normal with 8-10 words at 18 months and that while she would be happy to provide a referral if we were very worried she thought that DD would probably catch up soon. Which is what happened.

I’m going to get DS evaluated since he is below that but part of the reason why I haven’t sought an evaluation up to this point was that I was wondering if it was like showing up to the ER right now for sniffles.

If your son is saying some words and his sister also talked late chances are good that he will catch up like she did. I would do the evaluation just to be on the safe side. They won't offer services unless there is enough of a need, and it can be helpful to see what you can address. FWIW my DD had no words at all at 18 months. She didn't make progress for months even after starting early intervention and private speech and then suddenly at 28 months she had a breakthrough. Now at 33 months she won't stop chattering. She has been going to daycare all throughout, so she's been seeing masked providers the whole time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

Except community health is NOT protected.
Nice try, PP.

To be fair, we did have focused protection for the wealthy until Omicron.

[Anonymous]

The COVID hysteria should give you pause if you have young kids. My husband and I are starting to have real conversations about whether we want our children raised in this kind of environment.


+1. Waiting to see if the masks disappear by the Spring. If the masks come back in Fall 2023, we are moving. Don’t want to move, so hoping the hysteria dies after Omicron sweeps through.


Same. I will cut bait before my oldest starts kindergarten. I can’t live with the hysteria and overprecautions

Same here. Enough is enough already.


Fall 2023 is two years away. Why not just leave now?
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Sorry it wad a typo. Meant to say Fall of 2022. I do think the tide is turning. We used to hear “My mask protects you, your mask protects me” which was training wheels for “My vax protects you, your vax protects me.” Now the experts are starting to pivot, admitting there was never any evidence for cloth masks and that an N95 would provide one way protection. The vax passports are failing miserably to reduce transmission -NYC had 40k cases in a day. More experts admitting that severe disease was the endpoint for the vax all along.

Omicron is the perfect off ramp for the hysteria. Deaths and hospitalizations are low - they are even acknowledging the from/with Covid debacle. The vaccine is preventing severe disease. Boosters available in the elderly and immunocompromised. Lots of hybrid immunity in the population. Next step is to make therapeutics more accessible and get vaccines out to the world. Goodbye to masks and lockdowns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

Except community health is NOT protected.
Nice try, PP.

To be fair, we did have focused protection for the wealthy until Omicron.

+1. Being “covid cautious” is and always has been a luxury not enjoyed by the vast majority of the country. Probably why the normal people are ready for things like masks in daycare to end. It’s not really doing anything anymore except possibly harm to some kids. Now the wealthy are freaking out because omicron is coming for them.

[Anonymous]

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The COVID hysteria should give you pause if you have young kids. My husband and I are starting to have real conversations about whether we want our children raised in this kind of environment.


+1. Waiting to see if the masks disappear by the Spring. If the masks come back in Fall 2023, we are moving. Don’t want to move, so hoping the hysteria dies after Omicron sweeps through.


Same. I will cut bait before my oldest starts kindergarten. I can’t live with the hysteria and overprecautions

Same here. Enough is enough already.


Fall 2023 is two years away. Why not just leave now?
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Sorry it wad a typo. Meant to say Fall of 2022. I do think the tide is turning. We used to hear “My mask protects you, your mask protects me” which was training wheels for “My vax protects you, your vax protects me.” Now the experts are starting to pivot, admitting there was never any evidence for cloth masks and that an N95 would provide one way protection. The vax passports are failing miserably to reduce transmission -NYC had 40k cases in a day. More experts admitting that severe disease was the endpoint for the vax all along.

Omicron is the perfect off ramp for the hysteria. Deaths and hospitalizations are low - they are even acknowledging the from/with Covid debacle. The vaccine is preventing severe disease. Boosters available in the elderly and immunocompromised. Lots of hybrid immunity in the population. Next step is to make therapeutics more accessible and get vaccines out to the world. Goodbye to masks and lockdowns.

God we can only hope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

Except community health is NOT protected.
Nice try, PP.

To be fair, we did have focused protection for the wealthy until Omicron.

+1. Being “covid cautious” is and always has been a luxury not enjoyed by the vast majority of the country. Probably why the normal people are ready for things like masks in daycare to end. It’s not really doing anything anymore except possibly harm to some kids. Now the wealthy are freaking out because omicron is coming for them.

It is entertaining. I say this as a currently infected privileged person who could stay home any time cases were high and transfer my risk onto others. To hear complaints from those who “did everything right” and avoided a scary infection pre-vaccine complain about a cold after being vaxxed and boosted is so out of touch. All of it will cost elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh that’s right DC is the only state in the country that offers free universal Pre-K and paid leave to all residents.

You like the benefits of a progressive liberal leadership but not when they use that leadership to protect community health.

Except community health is NOT protected.
Nice try, PP.

Masking stops transmission. Should we all be wandering around with no masks everywhere? Doctors and nurses included?

Sweden doesn't mask kids and has seen 0 pediatric deaths from school acquired covid infections

Asking babies to mask for 85 year old grandpa is highly dubious, at best.