School board reckoning?

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans are idiots
They literally voted in Youngkin on the CRT issue .

Now he’s going to “ban” crt 😂 given it was never taught in schools that’s pretty amazing

As for these school board crazies good luck VA you just voted to destroy schools. And now have screaming religious zealots with their lovely Church going behaviors. Fun times!

Saying that CRT was "never taught in schools" is the latest mating call for progressives in denial who just got their asses handed to them on a platter.

No one was claiming 4th graders were being forced to read law-school texts on CRT. What has been said - and, correctly so - is that CRT-motivated pedagogy is now standard training in school systems like FCPS, and then impacts entire school systems. Here is an excerpt from part of the introduction to one of the leading CRT treatises:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1456228658134323200/photo/1

When a bumbling educrat like Scott Brabrand spends the better part of the last two years claiming "equity is at the center of everything we do," that is more than a slight nod to CRT. And it really isn't helping anyone, except the "anti-racist" experts and consultancies, like the one founded by Merrick Garland's son-in-law, who get rich milking school systems to sell their speeches, training sessions, and surveys.

What's ironic is that this same group of people will argue until their face is red, that there are things such as implicit bias, or that our systems are inherently racist even though they are not outwardly or explicitly racist. But when it comes to CRT, all of a sudden, even explicit references to CRT ideology and terminology is somehow not CRT because it's not the whole thing that is taught in college courses.

Stop laser-focusing on "CRT" then and articulate exactly what it is that you want to go away. Stop throwing tantrums and use your words.

Eliminate Chief Equity Officer position and use savings to hire additional teachers.

No more speaker stipends over $5000 for CRT-pushing hucksters like Ibram Kendi.

No $2M contracts with outside vendors for SEL surveys with loaded questions exploring student attitudes about race, sexuality, and drugs.

No more taxpayer-subsidized teacher training courses using textbooks or materials that draw heavily from CRT texts.

Stop spending scarce FCPS resources on an "equity dashboard" with "equity profiles."

No more school name changes without clear support of the majority of the affected school communities.

Moratorium on development of "anti-racism, anti-bias" education policy until academic remediation efforts have raised test scores to pre-Covid levels.

Termination of contracts with NYC-based "Leadership Academy" and boundary review consultant.

Restoration of prior FCPS "controversial issues policy" successfully in place for many years.

Removal of "Lewis Social Justice & Advocacy Academy" proposal from School Board calendar until at least 2024.

Reinstatement of math/science aptitude testing requirements for admission to TJHSST.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

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The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

What an asinine example. Parents want to be heard and be able to influence how their kids are taught by schools. They are not asking for mob rule or individual power to veto book choices. The example you gave would be the other extreme of parental control, which no one is asking for. We are simply rejecting the extreme that McAuliffe and the leftists are pushing for: no parental control. We want something in the rational middle, a school board that responds to parents' demands instead of thinking that they know what's best and should therefore disregard what the parents want 100% of the time.

They already are heard through the school board who they elect. The parents whose candidates lost school board election want to impose their views on the rest of the parents. Either parents get to decide and you end up with an asinine system, or the parents vote for representatives who then decide- which is the system that we have now.

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So nothing. Nowhere in VA but tris bogeyman was enough for people to vote. Sheesh.

Anyway, I have always had a right to pick substitute books for my kids. Every high school English syllabus my kids had listed the possible books and explained parents could ask for a substitute book. Another non-issue that may low-info voters vote R.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

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The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

What an asinine example. Parents want to be heard and be able to influence how their kids are taught by schools. They are not asking for mob rule or individual power to veto book choices. The example you gave would be the other extreme of parental control, which no one is asking for. We are simply rejecting the extreme that McAuliffe and the leftists are pushing for: no parental control. We want something in the rational middle, a school board that responds to parents' demands instead of thinking that they know what's best and should therefore disregard what the parents want 100% of the time.

They already are heard through the school board who they elect. The parents whose candidates lost school board election want to impose their views on the rest of the parents. Either parents get to decide and you end up with an asinine system, or the parents vote for representatives who then decide- which is the system that we have now.

DP, but you really know how to double down on the stupid. Small wonder you are now losing hearts and minds, and now elections.

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Anonymous wrote:Not PP but having different opinions doesn’t mean someone is out of touch, it means they do not agree with you. I’m not happy with the SB either but I think right wingers completely astroturfed social media-including this forum-and convinced parents Democrats alone are responsible for the fall of education. Ignoring the changing demographics that contribute to local systems being overwhelmed. Ignoring that Republican led states often completely undermine public education and do not have good outcomes. Ignoring that CRT is not a thing. And that outsiders were brought in to stir crap up. That charter schools and vouchers have failed miserably in most cases bc they are not held to any standards.
You can call me names, be patronizing, etc, I still do not agree with you PPs. And yes, I am paying attention. I will vote for SB who are focused on academics in 2023. But this? Sticking it to the Dems when there is so much more at stake? Nah.

Democrats alone run the fcps school board, the lcps school board, the aps school board, the fcc school board, the arps school hoard and the Virginia Departmemt of Ed and have for many years.

So yes, without exception, the democratic party owns all of the school issues in northern Virginia.

And none of that changed by electing Youngkin.

Congrats on accomplishing nothing.

Virginia Department of Ed will change almost immediately after his inauguration.

He is going to be firing the current appointees and replacing them with professionals who value education, rigor and excellence over indoctrination, low standards and racism.

Just think, once Youngkin gets his policies in place, our teachers can return to using their planning days on things like literacy and math skills, instead of spending all their training hours on Ibrahim X and white privilege.

Please show me where in the SOLs there is direction to teach about Ibrahim X and white privilege? Remember, we criticize teachers for teaching to the test remember — that was the last popular parent agitation, anyway. So it should be easy for you to cite precisely where in the SOLs the CRT stuff is taught.

This is why thte Ds lost. Linked either in this thread or another but this is it happening right here.

"Alternatively, Democrats could become more willing to disavow curricular content that is incendiary or misguided. Exercises that ask elementary-school students to rate themselves on a scale of privilege or presentations that imply that Black people are somehow less interested in the written word may be relatively rare. But voters who worry about them are much more likely to be reassured by politicians who are willing to condemn them than by those who pretend they don’t exist. Doing so is both right and expedient."

You Can’t Win Elections by Telling Voters Their Concerns Are Imaginary
Virginia is sending Democrats a warning: They’ve lost control of the narrative about education.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/virginia-election-wakeup-call-democrats/620595/

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

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The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

What an asinine example. Parents want to be heard and be able to influence how their kids are taught by schools. They are not asking for mob rule or individual power to veto book choices. The example you gave would be the other extreme of parental control, which no one is asking for. We are simply rejecting the extreme that McAuliffe and the leftists are pushing for: no parental control. We want something in the rational middle, a school board that responds to parents' demands instead of thinking that they know what's best and should therefore disregard what the parents want 100% of the time.

They already are heard through the school board who they elect. The parents whose candidates lost school board election want to impose their views on the rest of the parents. Either parents get to decide and you end up with an asinine system, or the parents vote for representatives who then decide- which is the system that we have now.

DP, but you really know how to double down on the stupid. Small wonder you are now losing hearts and minds, and now elections.

Ok, so how do parents pick? It can't be collectively because we already have that. What is the mechanism for a parent, whose party can't win local elections, to decide what can be taught in schools?

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Anonymous wrote:So nothing. Nowhere in VA but tris bogeyman was enough for people to vote. Sheesh.

Anyway, I have always had a right to pick substitute books for my kids. Every high school English syllabus my kids had listed the possible books and explained parents could ask for a substitute book. Another non-issue that may low-info voters vote R.

Prove it or it didn't happen. I believe you may have made the same assertion before the election and then couldn't back it up.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

+1

The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

What an asinine example. Parents want to be heard and be able to influence how their kids are taught by schools. They are not asking for mob rule or individual power to veto book choices. The example you gave would be the other extreme of parental control, which no one is asking for. We are simply rejecting the extreme that McAuliffe and the leftists are pushing for: no parental control. We want something in the rational middle, a school board that responds to parents' demands instead of thinking that they know what's best and should therefore disregard what the parents want 100% of the time.

They already are heard through the school board who they elect. The parents whose candidates lost school board election want to impose their views on the rest of the parents. Either parents get to decide and you end up with an asinine system, or the parents vote for representatives who then decide- which is the system that we have now.

DP, but you really know how to double down on the stupid. Small wonder you are now losing hearts and minds, and now elections.

Ok, so how do parents pick? It can't be collectively because we already have that. What is the mechanism for a parent, whose party can't win local elections, to decide what can be taught in schools?

You teach your own kid critical thinking and that they will encounter people in the world who believe different things that them. Use it as a teaching moment. That's why I am against censorship on both side (right and left).

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Anonymous wrote:So nothing. Nowhere in VA but tris bogeyman was enough for people to vote. Sheesh.

Anyway, I have always had a right to pick substitute books for my kids. Every high school English syllabus my kids had listed the possible books and explained parents could ask for a substitute book. Another non-issue that may low-info voters vote R.

Prove it or it didn't happen. I believe you may have made the same assertion before the election and then couldn't back it up.

DP with ES kids. My friends at different HS-es have different policies. I think it's teacher or maybe principal dependent. Some found out after the fact that their kids were reading books with graphic rape scenes in 9th grade while others were given syllabi at the beginning of the year with book lists, content warnings, and approved alternatives.

All that bill McAuliffe vetoed was asking for was to codify the latter. But somehow that turns into parents vetoing every bill in English class?

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Anonymous wrote:So nothing. Nowhere in VA but tris bogeyman was enough for people to vote. Sheesh.

Anyway, I have always had a right to pick substitute books for my kids. Every high school English syllabus my kids had listed the possible books and explained parents could ask for a substitute book. Another non-issue that may low-info voters vote R.

Prove it or it didn't happen. I believe you may have made the same assertion before the election and then couldn't back it up.

DP. I have never had or would have a problem with a book my kid was taught but I believe I could ask for a substitute book if I wanted to.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

+1

The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

What an asinine example. Parents want to be heard and be able to influence how their kids are taught by schools. They are not asking for mob rule or individual power to veto book choices. The example you gave would be the other extreme of parental control, which no one is asking for. We are simply rejecting the extreme that McAuliffe and the leftists are pushing for: no parental control. We want something in the rational middle, a school board that responds to parents' demands instead of thinking that they know what's best and should therefore disregard what the parents want 100% of the time.

They already are heard through the school board who they elect. The parents whose candidates lost school board election want to impose their views on the rest of the parents. Either parents get to decide and you end up with an asinine system, or the parents vote for representatives who then decide- which is the system that we have now.

DP, but you really know how to double down on the stupid. Small wonder you are now losing hearts and minds, and now elections.

Ok, so how do parents pick? It can't be collectively because we already have that. What is the mechanism for a parent, whose party can't win local elections, to decide what can be taught in schools?

You teach your own kid critical thinking and that they will encounter people in the world who believe different things that them. Use it as a teaching moment. That's why I am against censorship on both side (right and left).

So there is no mechanism? Youngkin ran on parental control of education, now that he won asking how that control will work in practice is reasonable, but it seems like none of his supports actually has an answer

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Ok, so how do parents pick? It can't be collectively because we already have that. What is the mechanism for a parent, whose party can't win local elections, to decide what can be taught in schools?

Legally - based on decades of case law - the only way parents pick is school choice. If funding follows students, then parents vote with their feet. But so far I don't know of a place where that's how things work, because there are competing interests against it.

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Anonymous wrote:So nothing. Nowhere in VA but tris bogeyman was enough for people to vote. Sheesh.

Anyway, I have always had a right to pick substitute books for my kids. Every high school English syllabus my kids had listed the possible books and explained parents could ask for a substitute book. Another non-issue that may low-info voters vote R.

Prove it or it didn't happen. I believe you may have made the same assertion before the election and then couldn't back it up.

Another conspiracy theorist, I see. I did not make it up. And I won’t post my kid’s syllabi on dcum. Did you look at your high schooler’s FCPS English syllabus? Or, more likely, you don’t even have an FCPS high school student.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you realize that parents think different things and have different opinions? Or do you only value the ones who hear about nonsense from Tucker Carlson and scream at school boards about the assigned issues?

You sound like Obama when he deigned to campaign for McAuliffe. Out of touch, willfully blind to what’s been happening in public schools, and ignored by the majority of voters.

Nope, I am a parent of 3 FCPS students who has paid close attention to the issues. I disagree with some actions (tj admissions,calendar) and will vote differently in 2023 but I do not agree with the book banning, anti crt bs, loss of civility, or voting for Governor based on my experience with a school board during a pandemic. It’s highly disturbing that you folks are so radicalized that you cannot understand that opinions differ among FCPS parents.

Try to watch the public comment section of the last school board meeting to see parents who support the school board and try to get out of your openfcps bubble.

Meh. You still want a seat at their table and think you're going to have more influence if you use your indoor voice and ask politely for their help, all as they continue to go about lowering standards, playing favorites, and neglecting their basic statutory duties and responsibilities.

That gets you nowhere with these people, who need to be held accountable or relieved of their positions.

+1

The leftists, especially those that subscribe to CRT, are radicals. We have to communicate with them in a manner that they understand. They will walk all over those who talk to them clamly.

When you call people leftists because they disagree with you—you lose any credibility on communicating calmly and being anti-extremist.

No dumbass. Not everyone who disagrees with me is a leftist. But people who push CRT, or policies rooted in CRT, and make the radical argument that parents should not be involved in the education of their kids, there is no doubt these are leftists.

The quote was parents shouldn't decide what schools teach, do you disagree? If you disagree, what parents get to decide what schools teach? Surely it's not just the majority of parents because they elected the school board which already decides, so which parents get to decide what schools teach?

Legally the most recent PP is right. Voters decide the elections that pick people who set statewide and local school standards and that's the most control we have.

However voters can decide to put into place a governor who will sign off on a bill allowing parents to pick an alternate book for one containing sexually explicit material. McAuliffe was clearly not that governor. Maybe Youngkin is. And maybe Virginia voters think parents should at least be able to do that. I can think of plenty of wonderful, valuable books that I personally think are great to read...but in college or later.

Hopefully. I can't wait for parents to realize that they can make English classes unworkable by rejecting every book and choosing their own. I personally plan on rejecting every book when I get the power because why not? Of course, everyone realizes how insane it would be to give parents that power so it will never happen.

What an asinine example. Parents want to be heard and be able to influence how their kids are taught by schools. They are not asking for mob rule or individual power to veto book choices. The example you gave would be the other extreme of parental control, which no one is asking for. We are simply rejecting the extreme that McAuliffe and the leftists are pushing for: no parental control. We want something in the rational middle, a school board that responds to parents' demands instead of thinking that they know what's best and should therefore disregard what the parents want 100% of the time.

They already are heard through the school board who they elect. The parents whose candidates lost school board election want to impose their views on the rest of the parents. Either parents get to decide and you end up with an asinine system, or the parents vote for representatives who then decide- which is the system that we have now.

DP, but you really know how to double down on the stupid. Small wonder you are now losing hearts and minds, and now elections.

Ok, so how do parents pick? It can't be collectively because we already have that. What is the mechanism for a parent, whose party can't win local elections, to decide what can be taught in schools?

You teach your own kid critical thinking and that they will encounter people in the world who believe different things that them. Use it as a teaching moment. That's why I am against censorship on both side (right and left).

So there is no mechanism? Youngkin ran on parental control of education, now that he won asking how that control will work in practice is reasonable, but it seems like none of his supports actually has an answer

If you want to declare an administration a failure, you might want to focus on one that's been in power for, I dunno, over 10 months, not one that hasn't taken the oath yet.

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Anonymous wrote:So nothing. Nowhere in VA but tris bogeyman was enough for people to vote. Sheesh.

Anyway, I have always had a right to pick substitute books for my kids. Every high school English syllabus my kids had listed the possible books and explained parents could ask for a substitute book. Another non-issue that may low-info voters vote R.

Prove it or it didn't happen. I believe you may have made the same assertion before the election and then couldn't back it up.

Another conspiracy theorist, I see. I did not make it up. And I won’t post my kid’s syllabi on dcum. Did you look at your high schooler’s FCPS English syllabus? Or, more likely, you don’t even have an FCPS high school student.

Ah, so no proof. Get a marker, cross out the names of the kid or teacher, and post the syllabus, or shut up.