What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

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I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

I’m trying to find the Savage Lundy Trail video on YouTube but no luck. Has anyone seen it? I guess it’s more difficult trail and not as popular as the Hites Cove Trail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is there algae with a moving river?

JFC really? Are you unfamiliar with the differences between spring and summer, drought conditions etc?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

If me and my dog are feeling like we’re suffering from a heat stroke in 110 degree heat, we’re 100% jumping in that river.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

+1

I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

I thought that *is* the first part of the trail they were on? They continued into a second part though, where their bodies were found.

[Anonymous]

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Savage-Lundy+Trail,+California+95338/@37.6049879,-119.8402249,1081m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x8096c0770d04c443:0x5ba032e768d0582f!8m2!3d37.6044709!4d-119.8278597

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

+1

I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

I thought that *is* the first part of the trail they were on? They continued into a second part though, where their bodies were found.

I thought so too. If the family took the loop (clockwise direction) like the sheriff assumed, they would have taken the other direction along the river and continues to the Savage Lundy Trail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

If me and my dog are feeling like we’re suffering from a heat stroke in 110 degree heat, we’re 100% jumping in that river.

That is probably not a reasonable representation of what the river looks like now. Do you people never actually go out and hike? Have you all never been near the Potomac when it is slow and stinks? It's clear many of the posters don't go outside much. A stream filled with algae isn't inviting. It would barely be moving and be stagnant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

+1

I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

I thought that *is* the first part of the trail they were on? They continued into a second part though, where their bodies were found.

I thought so too. If the family took the loop (clockwise direction) like the sheriff assumed, they would have taken the other direction along the river and continues to the Savage Lundy Trail.

The trail in the video is not part of the loop. The video is of a moderate trail very popular in spring with wildflower enthusiasts of all ages. There are two trails with Hites (or Hite) Cove in the name, and the one not shown in the video is what forms a loop with Savage-Lundy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

+1

I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

I thought that *is* the first part of the trail they were on? They continued into a second part though, where their bodies were found.

I thought so too. If the family took the loop (clockwise direction) like the sheriff assumed, they would have taken the other direction along the river and continues to the Savage Lundy Trail.

The trail in the video is not part of the loop. The video is of a moderate trail very popular in spring with wildflower enthusiasts of all ages. There are two trails with Hites (or Hite) Cove in the name, and the one not shown in the video is what forms a loop with Savage-Lundy.

Your incorrect information has encouraged new victim blaming. Don't post sh8t you don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

+1

I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

I thought that *is* the first part of the trail they were on? They continued into a second part though, where their bodies were found.

I thought so too. If the family took the loop (clockwise direction) like the sheriff assumed, they would have taken the other direction along the river and continues to the Savage Lundy Trail.

The trail in the video is not part of the loop. The video is of a moderate trail very popular in spring with wildflower enthusiasts of all ages. There are two trails with Hites (or Hite) Cove in the name, and the one not shown in the video is what forms a loop with Savage-Lundy.

Your incorrect information has encouraged new victim blaming. Don't post sh8t you don't know.

Except PP is correct. There are two trails: Hite Cove Trail with a trailhead off Highway 140 near El Portal and Hites Cove Trail with a trailhead at the end of Hites Cove Road near Jerseydale. The second trail is the one the family was on. The former is a much more popular/accessable trail and the one shown in the video. At the very beginning of the video you can actually see Highway 140 and the obviously very popular trailhead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

95+ here with humidity is 1000x worse than 105+ with no humidity.

Except that, as has been posted multiple times on this thread, it was unusually humid as well as unusually hot when they set out on 8/15. The relative humidity was 47% at 8:00 am that day. By 11:00 am it was 99 degrees and 22% relative humidity. The lowest humidity point during the day, at 3:00 pm was 16%, when it was 109. Absolutely miserable, beastly weather anyway you slice it.

Huh? That’s is a dry heat.

https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_heatindex

99 & 22% feels like 96.9
109 & 16% feels like 107.3

Or maybe even less according to this chart:

I mean it's only "Extreme Caution" or "Danger" ... practically a cool spring day.

The point was dry heat is better than swampy DC humidity, which is what the graph shows. The air temp actually feels COOLER with low humidity.

I was the one who posted the humidity numbers, and the graph supports the point I was making, which is that the weather this family faced was not a bearable dry heat that so many people on here are speaking of. To use PP's example of a 95 degree day in August in DC, given that the average afternoon humidity here is 55%, that is going to feel like a beastly 110 degrees if you look at the chart. The high temperature this family faced, 109 degrees and 16% humidity, is going to feel like a beastly 108 degrees. Had it been low-humidity day, that 109 degrees might feel as pleasant as a (still not very pleasant) 99 degrees.

Basically, I think anyone who says that the temperatures they faced were not so bad because it was a dry heat are wrong anyway you slice it.

There wasn't very low humidity that day, but it was fairly low. It felt cooler than it the air temp because it was relatively low.

Anyway, back to my point: "95+ here with humidity is 1000x worse than 105+ with no humidity."

95 @ 55% - feels like 108.9
105 @ 3% - feels like 98

Plus here you're all sweaty and nasty because the air is too humid to evaporate the sweat. So disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going for a recreational hike anywhere when it's 95+ outside is not a good idea. Look at all the people they have to rescue from bill goat trail near the Potomac every year.

95+ here with humidity is 1000x worse than 105+ with no humidity.

Except that, as has been posted multiple times on this thread, it was unusually humid as well as unusually hot when they set out on 8/15. The relative humidity was 47% at 8:00 am that day. By 11:00 am it was 99 degrees and 22% relative humidity. The lowest humidity point during the day, at 3:00 pm was 16%, when it was 109. Absolutely miserable, beastly weather anyway you slice it.

Huh? That’s is a dry heat.

https://www.weather.gov/epz/wxcalc_heatindex

99 & 22% feels like 96.9
109 & 16% feels like 107.3

Or maybe even less according to this chart:

I mean it's only "Extreme Caution" or "Danger" ... practically a cool spring day.

The point was dry heat is better than swampy DC humidity, which is what the graph shows. The air temp actually feels COOLER with low humidity.

I was the one who posted the humidity numbers, and the graph supports the point I was making, which is that the weather this family faced was not a bearable dry heat that so many people on here are speaking of. To use PP's example of a 95 degree day in August in DC, given that the average afternoon humidity here is 55%, that is going to feel like a beastly 110 degrees if you look at the chart. The high temperature this family faced, 109 degrees and 16% humidity, is going to feel like a beastly 108 degrees. Had it been low-humidity day, that 109 degrees might feel as pleasant as a (still not very pleasant) 99 degrees.

Basically, I think anyone who says that the temperatures they faced were not so bad because it was a dry heat are wrong anyway you slice it.

There wasn't very low humidity that day, but it was fairly low. It felt cooler than it the air temp because it was relatively low.

Anyway, back to my point: "95+ here with humidity is 1000x worse than 105+ with no humidity."

95 @ 55% - feels like 108.9
105 @ 3% - feels like 98

Plus here you're all sweaty and nasty because the air is too humid to evaporate the sweat. So disgusting.

Whether it was "feels like" 108.9 or "feels like" 98 it was damn hot. Plenty hot enough for a baby and dog to get heatstroke at least and plenty hot enough for an adult to get heatstroke too if they were exerting themselves a lot by trying to care for and carry/hike with the baby and dog. Plus none of them were likely drinking enough water if they truly did intend to go on a 8.5 mile hike and truly only had 3L of water for the 4 of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

+1

I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

I thought that *is* the first part of the trail they were on? They continued into a second part though, where their bodies were found.

I thought so too. If the family took the loop (clockwise direction) like the sheriff assumed, they would have taken the other direction along the river and continues to the Savage Lundy Trail.

The trail in the video is not part of the loop. The video is of a moderate trail very popular in spring with wildflower enthusiasts of all ages. There are two trails with Hites (or Hite) Cove in the name, and the one not shown in the video is what forms a loop with Savage-Lundy.

Your incorrect information has encouraged new victim blaming. Don't post sh8t you don't know.

Except PP is correct. There are two trails: Hite Cove Trail with a trailhead off Highway 140 near El Portal and Hites Cove Trail with a trailhead at the end of Hites Cove Road near Jerseydale. The second trail is the one the family was on. The former is a much more popular/accessable trail and the one shown in the video. At the very beginning of the video you can actually see Highway 140 and the obviously very popular trailhead.

I understand there are 2 trails. From what Ive read the bodies were found near Devil's Gulch on the Lundy Savage trail. It is much less friendly that the Hites Cove trail. People immediately started posting that the family was not on an arduous trail and that it was a fairly easy hike. Not true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From Webleuths:

As an Incident Commander said during an Incident Team meeting for fighting the Ferguson Fire in 2018, “You may know that some of the peaks and gulches in this area have “Devil” in their name. There is a reason for that; the terrain is incredibly rugged and steep.”

Sleuth poster: Here is a video of a hiker doing the Hite Cove trail:

Adding this extra link because additional videos.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuo8jSRPfwKkTvhP1WVtH6g

Another sleuth' response to video:

Great find. There's actually more than one video there.
Totally the wrong trail to be on in summer. Not at all a trail for beginners. Catastrophic for an unleashed dog (they'd head straight down one of those steeps to the river).

Umm yeah, that looks like a pretty typical california hike so not sure what the point is here. People who think that is extreme must not be hikers.

agree - I’ve been trying to say that from the beginning - inland california hikes are rugged and hot.

+1

I was expecting MUCH tougher terrain based on comments.

That's not the trail they were on. This is ridiculous.

I thought that *is* the first part of the trail they were on? They continued into a second part though, where their bodies were found.

I thought so too. If the family took the loop (clockwise direction) like the sheriff assumed, they would have taken the other direction along the river and continues to the Savage Lundy Trail.

The trail in the video is not part of the loop. The video is of a moderate trail very popular in spring with wildflower enthusiasts of all ages. There are two trails with Hites (or Hite) Cove in the name, and the one not shown in the video is what forms a loop with Savage-Lundy.

Your incorrect information has encouraged new victim blaming. Don't post sh8t you don't know.

Except PP is correct. There are two trails: Hite Cove Trail with a trailhead off Highway 140 near El Portal and Hites Cove Trail with a trailhead at the end of Hites Cove Road near Jerseydale. The second trail is the one the family was on. The former is a much more popular/accessable trail and the one shown in the video. At the very beginning of the video you can actually see Highway 140 and the obviously very popular trailhead.

I understand there are 2 trails. From what Ive read the bodies were found near Devil's Gulch on the Lundy Savage trail. It is much less friendly that the Hites Cove trail. People immediately started posting that the family was not on an arduous trail and that it was a fairly easy hike. Not true.

People were posting that it was an easier trail because they watched a video of a trail that miles away and in no way connected to this story.