Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:That wapo article says the assistant called someone crying after making the drop off. Why would he be crying? And why not call the police if something was amiss that led to crying?

Oh, please, what a coward if this is true!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gasoline is kept in the garage or a shed out back. No one keeps it anywhere else. That doesn't really suggest intimate knowledge.

I don't keep gasoline. I guess if you have a lawnmower you might, but the family had a gardening service, so I am not sure they would necessarily keep gasoline either. They either had knowledge of the family and the gasoline (if they intended all along to start the fire) or they didn't know about the gasoline at all and stumbled upon it. I feel like they were stupid crooks without regard for life who watched CSI or something and decided they could cover up the evidence with a fire. THe fact the person drives a Porsche around for hours suggests these guys were not bright. And of course the pizza delivery.

Except they managed to disable the house security alarm, security cameras and the fire alarms without the alarm company knowing. They seemed awfully brazen to me in regards to everything they did

Unless they found a way to rig the fire to start later, wouldn't they expect that a burning house would draw some attention? Maybe they took a risk that no one inside would be identifiable by the time firefighters got in. Hence the gasoline on the victims -- trying to get them to burn faster. Horrific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That wapo article says the assistant called someone crying after making the drop off. Why would he be crying? And why not call the police if something was amiss that led to crying?

Oh, please, what a coward if this is true!

Me again, that person needs to be fired immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That wapo article says the assistant called someone crying after making the drop off. Why would he be crying? And why not call the police if something was amiss that led to crying?

Oh, please, what a coward if this is true!

I believe it was reported that he called someone crying after he heard news reports or otherwise was informed that the house was on fire and the occupants were dead. Presumably he put two and two together when he heard the news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gasoline is kept in the garage or a shed out back. No one keeps it anywhere else. That doesn't really suggest intimate knowledge.

I don't keep gasoline. I guess if you have a lawnmower you might, but the family had a gardening service, so I am not sure they would necessarily keep gasoline either. They either had knowledge of the family and the gasoline (if they intended all along to start the fire) or they didn't know about the gasoline at all and stumbled upon it. I feel like they were stupid crooks without regard for life who watched CSI or something and decided they could cover up the evidence with a fire. THe fact the person drives a Porsche around for hours suggests these guys were not bright. And of course the pizza delivery.

I thought the son with into go-carts. Would you keep gas around for one of those?

They don't keep go-carts at the house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That wapo article says the assistant called someone crying after making the drop off. Why would he be crying? And why not call the police if something was amiss that led to crying?

Oh, please, what a coward if this is true!

No, here's what it said:

"On May 15, the day after the killings, the personal assistant called the veteran American Iron Works employee’s cellphone “and was crying,” according to the police documents. The assistant “stated that he had dropped off a package” at the Savopoulos house on May 14, on his way to Chantilly, the documents say."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I owned a retail business. Never did I need $40K in cash to operate my business. Why on earth would they need that much cash to operate a martial arts studio?

Did your business allow you to live in a $5M mansion?

The point is no small retail business requires the owner to have $40K in the till. It's a big red flag.

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Anonymous wrote:I owned a retail business. Never did I need $40K in cash to operate my business. Why on earth would they need that much cash to operate a martial arts studio?

The speculation here was that it was not for "operation" purposes but rather some kind of payment for contractors who were building it or something of this kind..

Again, everything is pure speculation, but for me indeed having older teenage children at boarding schools definitely stands out - yes, many people send their children to boarding schools for many different reasons but in this case it really is very intriguing - the girls could have gotten an excellent education at private schools here, there was plenty of help with any day to day logistics, the mother was very devoted and always available... So, yes, the question of safety comes to mind in this case - and ultimately that is exactly what have happened...

If you're paying contractors in cash, something isn't on the up and up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That wapo article says the assistant called someone crying after making the drop off. Why would he be crying? And why not call the police if something was amiss that led to crying?

I read the timeline that he called someone crying AFTER it was reported that the family was dead and there had been a fire. (Which came out Thursday afternoon.)

[Anonymous]

Stop spreading false rumors. This is the quote from WAPO. Key work "day after", ie a day after everyone found out about the murders
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On May 15, the day after the killings, the personal assistant called the veteran American Iron Works employee’s cellphone “and was crying,” according to the police documents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gasoline is kept in the garage or a shed out back. No one keeps it anywhere else. That doesn't really suggest intimate knowledge.

I don't keep gasoline. I guess if you have a lawnmower you might, but the family had a gardening service, so I am not sure they would necessarily keep gasoline either. They either had knowledge of the family and the gasoline (if they intended all along to start the fire) or they didn't know about the gasoline at all and stumbled upon it. I feel like they were stupid crooks without regard for life who watched CSI or something and decided they could cover up the evidence with a fire. THe fact the person drives a Porsche around for hours suggests these guys were not bright. And of course the pizza delivery.

Except they managed to disable the house security alarm, security cameras and the fire alarms without the alarm company knowing. They seemed awfully brazen to me in regards to everything they did

Unless they found a way to rig the fire to start later, wouldn't they expect that a burning house would draw some attention? Maybe they took a risk that no one inside would be identifiable by the time firefighters got in. Hence the gasoline on the victims -- trying to get them to burn faster. Horrific.

possibly? I guess that is why they started the fire in the boys room vs dousing the entire house with gas. I guess they started the fire with the boy since he was burned so badly..maybe they figured the fire would reach the others eventually because they were doused in gas but the firefighters put out the fire first.

They also caught the car on fire and it was engulfed in flames so they weren't hiding that??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I owned a retail business. Never did I need $40K in cash to operate my business. Why on earth would they need that much cash to operate a martial arts studio?

Did your business allow you to live in a $5M mansion?

The point is no small retail business requires the owner to have $40K in the till. It's a big red flag.

If you read the Washington Post article, Savvas probably did NOT have $40k available at the business. He was making a "flurry of calls" including to the bank and his accountant. Obviously working to raise cash.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe they ordered pizza. This was not a well thought out crime. I think some teenagers broke in and then things just unfolded as the night went on. I mean if this was well planned before hand what did the criminals say to each other.
"We will stay overnight and wait for the banks to open in the morning so we can get cash"
"What if we get hungry?"
"We'll just order pizza"
This crime just happened. Probably by the vacuum salesman that was casing the houses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That wapo article says the assistant called someone crying after making the drop off. Why would he be crying? And why not call the police if something was amiss that led to crying?

No, he called the day after the killings. Probably realize the money was for a hostage situation and he should have called the cops (especially if What NG reports is true, that there were no cash drop offs in the 20 yrs she's worked for the family).

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Why does NG keep saying she worked for the family 20 years ? They bought the house in 2002. Did they use her services at another home ?