Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also in the same Washington Post article:

"Gutierrez said she knew nothing about the money that was dropped off May 14 and said that she had never seen the assistant or anyone else drop off cash to the Savopoulos home in the 20 years she had worked there."

Could you link this article please? That's sort of explosive coupled with the other things she's said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-investigating-package-filled-with-cash-dropped-off-at-door-of-slain-family/2015/05/20/a100af9e-ff07-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?hpid=z1

This is the link (above) to the updated Washington Post article. I don't think we can KNOW "the other things she's said" because there was no on camera interview. Remember also the language barrier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Newest update Washington Post:

"The documents show a flurry of phone calls among Savvas Savopoulos, a bank, an accountant, the personal assistant, a construction company executive and Savopoulos’s American Iron Works company in the hours before the fire. The calls started shortly after 7 a.m. May 14 and ended just before noon. The fire was reported at 1:15 p.m.

The assistant, who did not return messages left on his cellphone Wednesday, tried to call Savvas Savopoulos about 1:40 p.m. but got no answer, the police documents show. Savvas Savopoulos had called the assistant at 11:54 a.m. — the last incoming or outgoing call he made or answered before the fire."

To me, there is a strong inference that Savvas was still desperately trying to raise MORE money for the killers after the assistant had dropped off the package of cash. I've always thought these people simply killed to eliminate witnesses. They killed brutally because they are brutes (and may not have wanted to risk carrying a gun or, if they had a gun, have shots heard -- silencers are spy story stuff). However, this makes me think that some of the brutality was anger and frustration by the killers when they realized they couldn't get more money in a short time period.

So he must have told these people what was going on and not to call police ... ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Newest update Washington Post:

"The documents show a flurry of phone calls among Savvas Savopoulos, a bank, an accountant, the personal assistant, a construction company executive and Savopoulos’s American Iron Works company in the hours before the fire. The calls started shortly after 7 a.m. May 14 and ended just before noon. The fire was reported at 1:15 p.m.

The assistant, who did not return messages left on his cellphone Wednesday, tried to call Savvas Savopoulos about 1:40 p.m. but got no answer, the police documents show. Savvas Savopoulos had called the assistant at 11:54 a.m. — the last incoming or outgoing call he made or answered before the fire."

To me, there is a strong inference that Savvas was still desperately trying to raise MORE money for the killers after the assistant had dropped off the package of cash. I've always thought these people simply killed to eliminate witnesses. They killed brutally because they are brutes (and may not have wanted to risk carrying a gun or, if they had a gun, have shots heard -- silencers are spy story stuff). However, this makes me think that some of the brutality was anger and frustration by the killers when they realized they couldn't get more money in a short time period.

Bumping new factual information from most recent Washington Post article.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Paul Wagner @Fox5Wagner · 7h 7 hours ago
New: Housekeeper says money was to be used for opening of a martial arts center in Chantilly. She says cash deliveries were common.

oops sorry i meant to quote the pp who posted the wapo article that said "Gutierrez said she knew nothing about the money that was dropped off May 14 and said that she had never seen the assistant or anyone else drop off cash to the Savopoulos home in the 20 years she had worked there."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newest update Washington Post:

"The documents show a flurry of phone calls among Savvas Savopoulos, a bank, an accountant, the personal assistant, a construction company executive and Savopoulos’s American Iron Works company in the hours before the fire. The calls started shortly after 7 a.m. May 14 and ended just before noon. The fire was reported at 1:15 p.m.

The assistant, who did not return messages left on his cellphone Wednesday, tried to call Savvas Savopoulos about 1:40 p.m. but got no answer, the police documents show. Savvas Savopoulos had called the assistant at 11:54 a.m. — the last incoming or outgoing call he made or answered before the fire."

To me, there is a strong inference that Savvas was still desperately trying to raise MORE money for the killers after the assistant had dropped off the package of cash. I've always thought these people simply killed to eliminate witnesses. They killed brutally because they are brutes (and may not have wanted to risk carrying a gun or, if they had a gun, have shots heard -- silencers are spy story stuff). However, this makes me think that some of the brutality was anger and frustration by the killers when they realized they couldn't get more money in a short time period.

So he must have told these people what was going on and not to call police ... ?

I am sure he did NOT. You don't need to tell a bank why you need to draw on your credit line with a cash withdrawal. Maybe you tell your accountant -- but a highly motivated man trying to save his family could come up with a reason. Ditto for talking to a construction company executive if you thought you could raise cash from a friend/business contact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paul Wagner @Fox5Wagner · 7h 7 hours ago
New: Housekeeper says money was to be used for opening of a martial arts center in Chantilly. She says cash deliveries were common.

oops sorry i meant to quote the pp who posted the wapo article that said "Gutierrez said she knew nothing about the money that was dropped off May 14 and said that she had never seen the assistant or anyone else drop off cash to the Savopoulos home in the 20 years she had worked there."

Right. Your source is a tweet seven hours earlier. The Washington Post article from 8:17 pm reports it very differently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Newest update Washington Post:

"The documents show a flurry of phone calls among Savvas Savopoulos, a bank, an accountant, the personal assistant, a construction company executive and Savopoulos’s American Iron Works company in the hours before the fire. The calls started shortly after 7 a.m. May 14 and ended just before noon. The fire was reported at 1:15 p.m.

The assistant, who did not return messages left on his cellphone Wednesday, tried to call Savvas Savopoulos about 1:40 p.m. but got no answer, the police documents show. Savvas Savopoulos had called the assistant at 11:54 a.m. — the last incoming or outgoing call he made or answered before the fire."

To me, there is a strong inference that Savvas was still desperately trying to raise MORE money for the killers after the assistant had dropped off the package of cash. I've always thought these people simply killed to eliminate witnesses. They killed brutally because they are brutes (and may not have wanted to risk carrying a gun or, if they had a gun, have shots heard -- silencers are spy story stuff). However, this makes me think that some of the brutality was anger and frustration by the killers when they realized they couldn't get more money in a short time period.

So he must have told these people what was going on and not to call police ... ?

If this is true then why did these people not pick up that something was amiss and call the police? These are smart people - they didn't pick up on anything? WTF?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paul Wagner @Fox5Wagner · 7h 7 hours ago
New: Housekeeper says money was to be used for opening of a martial arts center in Chantilly. She says cash deliveries were common.

oops sorry i meant to quote the pp who posted the wapo article that said "Gutierrez said she knew nothing about the money that was dropped off May 14 and said that she had never seen the assistant or anyone else drop off cash to the Savopoulos home in the 20 years she had worked there."

Right. Your source is a tweet seven hours earlier. The Washington Post article from 8:17 pm reports it very differently.

Right. So did the housekeeper tell 2 different stories or sloppy reporting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gasoline is kept in the garage or a shed out back. No one keeps it anywhere else. That doesn't really suggest intimate knowledge.

I don't keep gasoline. I guess if you have a lawnmower you might, but the family had a gardening service, so I am not sure they would necessarily keep gasoline either. They either had knowledge of the family and the gasoline (if they intended all along to start the fire) or they didn't know about the gasoline at all and stumbled upon it. I feel like they were stupid crooks without regard for life who watched CSI or something and decided they could cover up the evidence with a fire. THe fact the person drives a Porsche around for hours suggests these guys were not bright. And of course the pizza delivery.

I thought the son with into go-carts. Would you keep gas around for one of those?

Highly doubt there's lots of room in their upper northwest DC property to use a go cart. My guess is that the go cart was ridden at their weekend house - cause, you know, wealthy people have weekend houses outside of the city....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did the perps get to the house in the first place?

They likely had a key or were well known to the family-worked there etc...

No, I mean how did they get to the neighborhood? They stole the Porsche as their getaway car...so how did they get to the house in the first place?

Not really any gated communities here in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ordering pizza at midnight is insane-was there no food in the house? That is brazen-people are so effed up!

It's insane with regard to its callousness and brazenness, but honestly, did you expect them to stop torturing the family so they can cook dinner? They'd need something quick. It's gonna be either cereal or takeout. I doubt they were thinking about making a salad or a steak.

[Anonymous]

That wapo article says the assistant called someone crying after making the drop off. Why would he be crying? And why not call the police if something was amiss that led to crying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the porsche was taken by the perp and driven to PG, who is in the video running away from the house with the buceket?

That doesn't look like it is near the house. More than likely that video is the perp running from the church parking lot into the back lot of the business's right next to it..In the video you will see the back doors to business's and a commercial dumpster..not residential

You must be new to the case... It's been stated that the video is outside a banquet hall near the church parking lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paul Wagner @Fox5Wagner · 7h 7 hours ago
New: Housekeeper says money was to be used for opening of a martial arts center in Chantilly. She says cash deliveries were common.

oops sorry i meant to quote the pp who posted the wapo article that said "Gutierrez said she knew nothing about the money that was dropped off May 14 and said that she had never seen the assistant or anyone else drop off cash to the Savopoulos home in the 20 years she had worked there."

Right. Your source is a tweet seven hours earlier. The Washington Post article from 8:17 pm reports it very differently.

Right. So did the housekeeper tell 2 different stories or sloppy reporting

Could be the former but it's almost certainly the latter regardless. Tweeting is not really conducive to detailed, thoughtful journalism. WaPo and other sources clarify stories all the time. This one is likely particularly tough to nail down and they just post what they know at any given moment, which obviously may change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also in the same Washington Post article:

"Gutierrez said she knew nothing about the money that was dropped off May 14 and said that she had never seen the assistant or anyone else drop off cash to the Savopoulos home in the 20 years she had worked there."

Could you link this article please? That's sort of explosive coupled with the other things she's said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-investigating-package-filled-with-cash-dropped-off-at-door-of-slain-family/2015/05/20/a100af9e-ff07-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=sm_tw