Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:it must have been more than the 40K they were after.

based on all we have heard so far about the 40k (it was not unusual for cash packages to be dropped off, the cash drop off was pre-arranged, the assistant brought the cash with seemingly no questions asked) it seems probable to me that SS could have had the assistant secure the $$ and drop off the 40k earlier...

so, if the killers got to the house on Wed. afternoon, it seems that both the S family AND the killers would want to get the whole thing done and over w/ as quickly as possible so they would immediately make the request for the cash drop off on Wed. afternoon/evening. The only reasons I can think of that they would wait til Thurs would be if the killers deemed it too suspicious to have the drop off Wed night for some reason or if the killers were really after more than the 40k. Otherwise, why would they risk staying at the S house for so long and having such a higher likelihood of being discovered the longer they stayed

The Petit case involved sexual assault as well. God hopes this also wasn't the reason they stayed extra long

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I owned a retail business. Never did I need $40K in cash to operate my business. Why on earth would they need that much cash to operate a martial arts studio?

Did your business allow you to live in a $5M mansion?

The point is no small retail business requires the owner to have $40K in the till. It's a big red flag.

If you read the Washington Post article, Savvas probably did NOT have $40k available at the business. He was making a "flurry of calls" including to the bank and his accountant. Obviously working to raise cash.

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This makes much, much more sense. Honestly people, no one keeps cash that liquid, I don't care how much money you have!

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Anonymous wrote:Gasoline is kept in the garage or a shed out back. No one keeps it anywhere else. That doesn't really suggest intimate knowledge.

I don't keep gasoline. I guess if you have a lawnmower you might, but the family had a gardening service, so I am not sure they would necessarily keep gasoline either. They either had knowledge of the family and the gasoline (if they intended all along to start the fire) or they didn't know about the gasoline at all and stumbled upon it. I feel like they were stupid crooks without regard for life who watched CSI or something and decided they could cover up the evidence with a fire. THe fact the person drives a Porsche around for hours suggests these guys were not bright. And of course the pizza delivery.

I thought the son with into go-carts. Would you keep gas around for one of those?

They don't keep go-carts at the house.

We keep gas for our lawn mower.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I owned a retail business. Never did I need $40K in cash to operate my business. Why on earth would they need that much cash to operate a martial arts studio?

Did your business allow you to live in a $5M mansion?

The point is no small retail business requires the owner to have $40K in the till. It's a big red flag.

If you read the Washington Post article, Savvas probably did NOT have $40k available at the business. He was making a "flurry of calls" including to the bank and his accountant. Obviously working to raise cash.

I guess that is all he could come up with. Poor man..I couldn't imagine calling an accountant, assistant, some other construction exec, etc trying to ask them for an instant cash loan and he probably wasn't able to tell them the real reason and the urgency of the situation. If he said it was for art I bet nobody was really taking him seriously..ugh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does NG keep saying she worked for the family 20 years ? They bought the house in 2002. Did they use her services at another home ?

They've lived in DC longer than that - she very well could have worked with them at the previous home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they ordered pizza. This was not a well thought out crime. I think some teenagers broke in and then things just unfolded as the night went on. I mean if this was well planned before hand what did the criminals say to each other.
"We will stay overnight and wait for the banks to open in the morning so we can get cash"
"What if we get hungry?"
"We'll just order pizza"
This crime just happened. Probably by the vacuum salesman that was casing the houses.

So you think it was the teenagers who broke in or the vacuum salesman? You pointed to two different potential suspects in one six line post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Newest update Washington Post:

"The documents show a flurry of phone calls among Savvas Savopoulos, a bank, an accountant, the personal assistant, a construction company executive and Savopoulos’s American Iron Works company in the hours before the fire. The calls started shortly after 7 a.m. May 14 and ended just before noon. The fire was reported at 1:15 p.m.

The assistant, who did not return messages left on his cellphone Wednesday, tried to call Savvas Savopoulos about 1:40 p.m. but got no answer, the police documents show. Savvas Savopoulos had called the assistant at 11:54 a.m. — the last incoming or outgoing call he made or answered before the fire."

To me, there is a strong inference that Savvas was still desperately trying to raise MORE money for the killers after the assistant had dropped off the package of cash. I've always thought these people simply killed to eliminate witnesses. They killed brutally because they are brutes (and may not have wanted to risk carrying a gun or, if they had a gun, have shots heard -- silencers are spy story stuff). However, this makes me think that some of the brutality was anger and frustration by the killers when they realized they couldn't get more money in a short time period.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they ordered pizza. This was not a well thought out crime. I think some teenagers broke in and then things just unfolded as the night went on. I mean if this was well planned before hand what did the criminals say to each other.
"We will stay overnight and wait for the banks to open in the morning so we can get cash"
"What if we get hungry?"
"We'll just order pizza"
This crime just happened. Probably by the vacuum salesman that was casing the houses.

So you think it was the teenagers who broke in or the vacuum salesman? You pointed to two different potential suspects in one six line post.

Teenagers capable of disarming the alarms, knowing the family's schedules, extorting $40k, and brutally murdering a family? I don't think so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I owned a retail business. Never did I need $40K in cash to operate my business. Why on earth would they need that much cash to operate a martial arts studio?

Did your business allow you to live in a $5M mansion?

The point is no small retail business requires the owner to have $40K in the till. It's a big red flag.

If you read the Washington Post article, Savvas probably did NOT have $40k available at the business. He was making a "flurry of calls" including to the bank and his accountant. Obviously working to raise cash.

I guess that is all he could come up with. Poor man..I couldn't imagine calling an accountant, assistant, some other construction exec, etc trying to ask them for an instant cash loan and he probably wasn't able to tell them the real reason and the urgency of the situation. If he said it was for art I bet nobody was really taking him seriously..ugh

I can't believe the bank, accountant, assistant, etc. did not think raising all this cash was unusual. NO legitimate business deal needs that amount in CASH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/20/politics/dc-house-fire-money-motive/

This article says that all 4 victims were dead before fire started.

When murdered housekeeper's husband went to the home Thursday morning, he said he saw Porsche was parked on the street (as well as the father's car at the home). I don't know how perps could get into the car on the street without being seen in broad daylight.

Also, police kept asking for public to help determine whereabouts of Porsche from 10:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. when car was found burning. Perps must have left home at 10:30 a.m., right? So they somehow set up the fire with a delayed combustion (cigarette+gasoline)? I don't know anything about arson, but is that possible? Or would it take more premeditation to pull off a delayed fire.

Seen by whom? Are there neighbors who sit outside watching over all the homes in the area? Who would be calling in?

Hopefully, on a sunny day like it was last Thursday, there were neighbors out walking their dogs or working on their yards or just being outside. When I am on the phone or in my kitchen, I am always looking outside toward the street.

There are very few houses on that block (I live nearby). Most people are at work or busy in their homes. I'm sure I sound like a jerk to some, but no one in that neighborhood works on their own yard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they ordered pizza. This was not a well thought out crime. I think some teenagers broke in and then things just unfolded as the night went on. I mean if this was well planned before hand what did the criminals say to each other.
"We will stay overnight and wait for the banks to open in the morning so we can get cash"
"What if we get hungry?"
"We'll just order pizza"
This crime just happened. Probably by the vacuum salesman that was casing the houses.

So you think it was the teenagers who broke in or the vacuum salesman? You pointed to two different potential suspects in one six line post.

Teenagers, vacuum salesman, random person on the street looking for a quick score. I just don't think this was a planned ahead personal attack on the family. I think it was a random home invasion that unfolded into an overnight hostage situation. For all we know they used knives because they didn't even bring their own weapons. They could have used the homeowners knives and gasoline. Ordering pizza is very impulsive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I owned a retail business. Never did I need $40K in cash to operate my business. Why on earth would they need that much cash to operate a martial arts studio?

Did your business allow you to live in a $5M mansion?

The point is no small retail business requires the owner to have $40K in the till. It's a big red flag.

If you read the Washington Post article, Savvas probably did NOT have $40k available at the business. He was making a "flurry of calls" including to the bank and his accountant. Obviously working to raise cash.

I guess that is all he could come up with. Poor man..I couldn't imagine calling an accountant, assistant, some other construction exec, etc trying to ask them for an instant cash loan and he probably wasn't able to tell them the real reason and the urgency of the situation. If he said it was for art I bet nobody was really taking him seriously..ugh

I can't believe the bank, accountant, assistant, etc. did not think raising all this cash was unusual. NO legitimate business deal needs that amount in CASH.

honestly I would think that too if I hadn't heard SS in the voice mail. God knows what was going on and SS played it cool. I would of never thought something was going on by the way he sounded.

[Anonymous]

if they ordered pizza i wonder if they called from SS's phone. i know it seems silly, but if they didn't, that could be one of the mistakes they made (chief lanier said the perps made mistakes/left evidence/etc). ok flame away for such a silly thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they ordered pizza. This was not a well thought out crime. I think some teenagers broke in and then things just unfolded as the night went on. I mean if this was well planned before hand what did the criminals say to each other.
"We will stay overnight and wait for the banks to open in the morning so we can get cash"
"What if we get hungry?"
"We'll just order pizza"
This crime just happened. Probably by the vacuum salesman that was casing the houses.

So you think it was the teenagers who broke in or the vacuum salesman? You pointed to two different potential suspects in one six line post.

Teenagers, vacuum salesman, random person on the street looking for a quick score. I just don't think this was a planned ahead personal attack on the family. I think it was a random home invasion that unfolded into an overnight hostage situation. For all we know they used knives because they didn't even bring their own weapons. They could have used the homeowners knives and gasoline. Ordering pizza is very impulsive.

Have you read any of the reports?? This was a planned attack by someone who knew their schedules, and even disarmed the alarms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:if they ordered pizza i wonder if they called from SS's phone. i know it seems silly, but if they didn't, that could be one of the mistakes they made (chief lanier said the perps made mistakes/left evidence/etc). ok flame away for such a silly thought.

Great thought. Hopefully they did.