DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

from the OBGC Capital Cup:

9/4/2017 MARYLAND UNITED FC 2004 ECNL (MD) 3-0 Ranked #1 in MD
9/3/2017BRYC ELITE ACADEMY ECNL U14 (VA) 2-0 Ranked #2 in MD
9/3/2017 BALTIMORE UNION SC ELITE 04 (MD) 2-0 Ranked #5 in VA

Clean slate against 2 ECNL teams and a top team in MD. Convinced yet?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the focus on ECNL/DA but I would like to hear about the "everything else." We are not doing ECNL/DA because of logistics and are exploring other options of which there are many. Have seen a few ERL and State Cup games and ECNl games and believe that the non-ECNL teams are stronger, especially at younger ages. The reality is that ECNL is just based on the club. Teams don't earn ECNL status. They are grandfathered in. DA is still growing and I doubt you will see an establushed DA in the next five years. I am not knocking either league but I just don't buy the arguments. There are teams out there without ECNL or DA that are strong and beat ECNL teams at Showcase events.

how young is “younger ages” pre u13? like u8-u12?

those ecnl teams try to take the best of what shows up at their doorstop. usually the resources and environment of ecnl was the draw and differentiator.

If no one new and shinier shows up, then you are right; however my experience withe ecnl has shown that new shinier players will show.

I was comparing u-13 to u-15 non-ECNL with ECNL of the same age group. From what I have seen, they typically are not the top teams in the state but I do agree that as the teams age, they pick up more talent. I am just interested in hearing about more non-ECNL and non-DA teams.

I get the interest, but, in earnest, I am not sure that the "everything else" was really meant to be described here... I think the MD VA DC girls thread is probably more an apropos thread; however if other highly competitive leagues really are of interest, ask away so people can answer/discuss...

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

from the OBGC Capital Cup:

9/4/2017 MARYLAND UNITED FC 2004 ECNL (MD) 3-0 Ranked #1 in MD
9/3/2017BRYC ELITE ACADEMY ECNL U14 (VA) 2-0 Ranked #2 in MD
9/3/2017 BALTIMORE UNION SC ELITE 04 (MD) 2-0 Ranked #5 in VA

Clean slate against 2 ECNL teams and a top team in MD. Convinced yet?

Same tournament:

02 Sep 17 MCLEAN YS ECNL 3 - 1 Ranked #7 in MD
01 Sep 17 BETHESDA SC ECNL 3 - 1 Ranked #3 in MD

They beat all local ECNL teams handily. I am guessing this is why they picked DA. At least they will get a chance to play Penn Fusion and Cedar Stars. They did lose two and tied two out of their last 38 games. So they are not undefeatable.

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

Arlington has probably played a half dozen ECNL teams. They destroyed four local ECNL teams to win the OBGC Labor Day tournament and beat others in another tournament. They just placed 1st in ERL and 2nd in the Nation League. They are a very solid team and will hod their own and then some in DA. The 03 squad is also strong and already played and beat three DA teams in a recent tournament. I see those results and I dismiss anyone who sayd non-DA/ECNL teams can't compete with DA/ECNL. The Arlington 04 and 03 teams prove those folks wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Just for starters, Arlington 04 DA would lose to FCV 3-0
Then they would face Cedar Stars and lose 3-0.
Then they would face Penn Fusion and lose 3-0.

Maybe you can fight it out with Spirit for 4th and 5th.

It's going to be eye opening for Arlington parents coming in with that type of attitude. Especially when they are used to playing the type of teams that are listed on their Gotsoccer page.

Based on what?

[Anonymous]

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

Arlington has probably played a half dozen ECNL teams. They destroyed four local ECNL teams to win the OBGC Labor Day tournament and beat others in another tournament. They just placed 1st in ERL and 2nd in the Nation League. They are a very solid team and will hod their own and then some in DA. The 03 squad is also strong and already played and beat three DA teams in a recent tournament. I see those results and I dismiss anyone who sayd non-DA/ECNL teams can't compete with DA/ECNL. The Arlington 04 and 03 teams prove those folks wrong.

Aaaaand .... Arlington chose to switch over to GDA tather than stay in CCL/ERL/National League.

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Just for starters, Arlington 04 DA would lose to FCV 3-0
Then they would face Cedar Stars and lose 3-0.
Then they would face Penn Fusion and lose 3-0.

Maybe you can fight it out with Spirit for 4th and 5th.

It's going to be eye opening for Arlington parents coming in with that type of attitude. Especially when they are used to playing the type of teams that are listed on their Gotsoccer page.

Based on what?

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this. Experience is the best teacher. You will learn.

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

Arlington has probably played a half dozen ECNL teams. They destroyed four local ECNL teams to win the OBGC Labor Day tournament and beat others in another tournament. They just placed 1st in ERL and 2nd in the Nation League. They are a very solid team and will hod their own and then some in DA. The 03 squad is also strong and already played and beat three DA teams in a recent tournament. I see those results and I dismiss anyone who sayd non-DA/ECNL teams can't compete with DA/ECNL. The Arlington 04 and 03 teams prove those folks wrong.

Aaaaand .... Arlington chose to switch over to GDA tather than stay in CCL/ERL/National League.

Point is that Arlington has a strong teams pre-DA.

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

Arlington has probably played a half dozen ECNL teams. They destroyed four local ECNL teams to win the OBGC Labor Day tournament and beat others in another tournament. They just placed 1st in ERL and 2nd in the Nation League. They are a very solid team and will hod their own and then some in DA. The 03 squad is also strong and already played and beat three DA teams in a recent tournament. I see those results and I dismiss anyone who sayd non-DA/ECNL teams can't compete with DA/ECNL. The Arlington 04 and 03 teams prove those folks wrong.

Aaaaand .... Arlington chose to switch over to GDA tather than stay in CCL/ERL/National League.

Point is that Arlington has a strong teams pre-DA.

Arlington proved they can beat mid to low tier ECNL teams in preseason games in a weakened ECNL league. That does not translate to being dominate in DA.

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

Arlington has probably played a half dozen ECNL teams. They destroyed four local ECNL teams to win the OBGC Labor Day tournament and beat others in another tournament. They just placed 1st in ERL and 2nd in the Nation League. They are a very solid team and will hod their own and then some in DA. The 03 squad is also strong and already played and beat three DA teams in a recent tournament. I see those results and I dismiss anyone who sayd non-DA/ECNL teams can't compete with DA/ECNL. The Arlington 04 and 03 teams prove those folks wrong.

Aaaaand .... Arlington chose to switch over to GDA tather than stay in CCL/ERL/National League.

Point is that Arlington has a strong teams pre-DA.

...and isn't the assumption here that post-DA those teams are really not that much different? same basic teams that were winning pre-DA, right?, or is there now a bunch of new talent that will be used to explain away any future wins?

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

Arlington has probably played a half dozen ECNL teams. They destroyed four local ECNL teams to win the OBGC Labor Day tournament and beat others in another tournament. They just placed 1st in ERL and 2nd in the Nation League. They are a very solid team and will hod their own and then some in DA. The 03 squad is also strong and already played and beat three DA teams in a recent tournament. I see those results and I dismiss anyone who sayd non-DA/ECNL teams can't compete with DA/ECNL. The Arlington 04 and 03 teams prove those folks wrong.

Aaaaand .... Arlington chose to switch over to GDA tather than stay in CCL/ERL/National League.

I don't understand the level of obtuseness. Arlington's o4 and 05 teams have played some of the best competition in the country and have come out aheaad. Any understanding of the DA and ECNL selection would confirm that there is nothing that ECNL and DA team have over Arlington. The 03 and 04 have beat ECNL teams on a regular basis. The fact that you admit that there are mid-level ECNL teams demonstrates thatyou know the league is not super competitive from top to bottom. You also have to accept that the WS is still a work in progress and the fact that VDA left and is going into ECNL demonstrates that DA is not a fit for many players and clubs.

Who konws of Arlington will dominate? What I know is that they should be able to compete base on their success.

Point is that Arlington has a strong teams pre-DA.

...and isn't the assumption here that post-DA those teams are really not that much different? same basic teams that were winning pre-DA, right?, or is there now a bunch of new talent that will be used to explain away any future wins?

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Are we talking about the Arlington 04 team that is 2nd in their CCL Standings?

Is this the team were talking about...or did Arlington put their 2nd team in CCL?

Don't want to make assumptions.

[Anonymous]

McLean's ECNL U-13 was ranked 4th in CCL and the United was ranked 8th. Bethesda was ranked 7th in EDP. Now each is ECNL and we are suppose to treat them as royalty. Arlington 05 and Loudoun 05 were ranked one and two in CCL. Arlington is still the same team. They have a great track record and was probably one of the reasons the DA recruited the club to DA.

[Anonymous]

Suggestion: everyone closes their pie hole on how good or bad their new or existing DA team is and we all come back in Fall and compare real head to head scores. Then those from the dominant teams can crow about their vast superiority. I will wager that it will not be as clear cut across the board as most think with all the moving and shaking going on

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Youthsoccerrankings.us is the best system we have for making the sorts of predictions made on this board about team performance next year. What is better, word of mouth? You watching a game here or there and spewing unsupportable opinion? If Arlington stays largely intact moving to DA they will be duking it out with Penn Fusion for top of the Atlantic table in GDA 04. Fact not opinion and definitely not propaganda. DD plays for Spirit.

Youth Soccer Rankings is pretty good. If we are going to compare youth soccer teams (and we have and will) it is a way better approach than the ridiculous Got Soccer tournament based points system.

Agreed, but even the youth soccer standings site can only use the games the teams actually play to determine tankings. Has Arlington 04 played games or scrimmages against any ECNL or DA teams? I would think those results could be more informative.

Arlington has probably played a half dozen ECNL teams. They destroyed four local ECNL teams to win the OBGC Labor Day tournament and beat others in another tournament. They just placed 1st in ERL and 2nd in the Nation League. They are a very solid team and will hod their own and then some in DA. The 03 squad is also strong and already played and beat three DA teams in a recent tournament. I see those results and I dismiss anyone who sayd non-DA/ECNL teams can't compete with DA/ECNL. The Arlington 04 and 03 teams prove those folks wrong.

Aaaaand .... Arlington chose to switch over to GDA tather than stay in CCL/ERL/National League.

Point is that Arlington has a strong teams pre-DA.

...and isn't the assumption here that post-DA those teams are really not that much different? same basic teams that were winning pre-DA, right?, or is there now a bunch of new talent that will be used to explain away any future wins?

arlington teams will likely pickup 2-3; as we all know adding or losing 2-3 can make a big impact on a team.