DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like ECNL in Northern VA will be struggling next year.

That’s a big generalization! For all DA and all ENCL teams in NOVA, it will be team and age group specific. There will be some strong teams and some weak teams in both leagues.

Ignore it. Just GDA guy posturing to drive players to Spirit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like ECNL in Northern VA will be struggling next year.

That’s a big generalization! For all DA and all ENCL teams in NOVA, it will be team and age group specific. There will be some strong teams and some weak teams in both leagues.

Ignore it. Just GDA guy posturing to drive players to Spirit.

Jerk is more likely FCV than Spirit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like ECNL in Northern VA will be struggling next year.

That’s a big generalization! For all DA and all ENCL teams in NOVA, it will be team and age group specific. There will be some strong teams and some weak teams in both leagues.

Ignore it. Just GDA guy posturing to drive players to Spirit.

Okay. I'll be your huckleberry

Who will be able to field competitive 04, 05, and 06 ECNL teams next year? Serious question. I can only think of one. VDA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like ECNL in Northern VA will be struggling next year.

That’s a big generalization! For all DA and all ENCL teams in NOVA, it will be team and age group specific. There will be some strong teams and some weak teams in both leagues.

Ignore it. Just GDA guy posturing to drive players to Spirit.

Okay. I'll be your huckleberry

Who will be able to field competitive 04, 05, and 06 ECNL teams next year? Serious question. I can only think of one. VDA.

If the composition of the Mid-Atlantic division of ECNL stays the same (BRYC, Mclean, NC Fusion, Carolina Elite, NCFC, Carolina Rapids, SC United, and Richmond United) with the addition of the two NOVA clubs (VDA and Loudoun), then I don’t think any ECNL club in NOVA fields a team that falls in the top half of the bracket at those ages. Just look at the ECNL standings right now for that division: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-conference-standings-2/

Mclean and BRYC, at U15 (2003 birth year) and above are quite competitive. But both of those clubs are being clobbered at U14 (2004 birth year) and below. Unless they pick up some 04s—from where, you might wonder, with all the other options?—i don’t expect that to change.

As for the new ECNL teams, I don’t expect that VDA 04 will hang on to all its current players in the 04 birth year, given the rumors on this board of departures after the league switch. And they weren’t great in DA. At Loudoun, the girls in 04 have been jerked around a LOT. IF they’ve already moved somewhere else, would they go back for ECNL? The Loudoun 05 girls just lost in the second round of STate CUp to Stafford.

I predict the NOVA ECNL teams will be bottom of the bracket next year at U15 (2004) and below, and none will qualify for the ECNL playoffs.

[Anonymous]

You're most def not my huckleberry but I would say that there is no doubt at the younger ages that ecnl teams will have a tougher time drawing players for this fall. The draw of GDA this year is undeniable despite USSF efforts to shoot themselves in the foot.


All local elite level teams will be diluted however. As a generalization I expect local ECNL teams to be about as competitive in their respective leagues as local GDA teams. I don't expect any local elite team in the 04-06 group to dominate. 

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The 04 roster size was a disaster this year. It was too big, and because of that. In order to get everyone playing time, 04s routinely play up. Now, I realize that Spirit had no choice once they decided to take on so many girls, but it wasn't good for the 04s and it was even worse for the 03s. They can't possible compete when they have 04s routinely on their roster. I felt sorry for them. But next year should get better. Everyone knew year one would be hard because Spirit was starting from scratch - especially on the VA side.

LMFAO. Sigh

That’s really sad that you think what happened this year is funny. You are probably an 04 parent who thinks he is raising the next Marta. No other club would have played any of our 04s up. None. Spirit did what it had to do, but don’t be delusional: when Spirit plays eg Penn Fusion, FCV, etc the 04s always get exposed. It’s not their fault. Some of them are talented for their AGE but this playing up frenzy is out of control. It’s not shameful to play in your own age group.

And my DD isn’t even an 04 or 03 for that matter.

Yeah she is. And I know acting who you are.

Now I AM LMFAO. So this IS you making it about your DD. I was just guessing. Sure, believe what you want. Even a monkey thinks her child is a deer. Some of the kids playing up apparently couldn’t even make the FCV roster in their OWN age group, but they are good enough to play up at Spirit? Hahaha! That’s fine. You’re not worth wasting my time on. It’s not like our kids will ever play together. Thankfully, not because of her mind you. Because of you. Sign8ng off. Feel free to sing her praises in my absence.

Don't worry about that thin-skinned tool, he takes the bait on everything. He's proven repeatedly that he doesn't know anything about DA, and is a sock puppet who posts under multiple IDs. You made the exact point I was worried about earlier. Spirit sticking a bunch of 06s with the 05s because of the offer letter and not enough 05s committing and too many 06s. My DD wants to play against 06s. But I get why Spirit needs the flexibility too. Hopefully your post is legit and not the sock puppet at work again. LOL.

It was totally legit. And I think you nailed it. He is definitely the sock puppet. But everyone obviously saw through him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you need a spot, BRYC will find a way to take your money. They’re already shoehorning VDA players into crowded rosters.

How many will they put on a roster? When you say crowded, like 20? 22?

DA rosters are maxed at 20. 18 can dress on game day.
ECNL rosters are bigger. But only 18 (?) can dress on gameday

ECNL can have dual rostered players. Kids primarily play on 2nd team though.

DA has developmental players. Dps primaiy play for 2nd team though.

Spirit was given an exemption to have more then 20 kids on 04 roster because they were a startup and didn't have a 2nd team for DPs. That of course changes next year with announcment of their EDP team.

I think the only real mistake Spirit VA might have done is not be upfront with the 04s and 03s about how the year would be handled. I'm not sure all the 04s knew going in the roster would be that large, and I don't think the 03s knew going in that they were expected to share game time with the 04s to give all the 04s enough playing time. If they had known going in, they probably would have handled it better.

But a PP said that this coming year for all 03s and down would be better, and I think that's pretty accurate. The better 03s will blend with the 02s, and those 03s still developing can have a chance through the EDP team. I wonder if it will be like the way the BDA does it, where all the U16 DA teams play each other.

I was wondering too if the dual age to each roster might be Spirit's attempt to answer the gap year question, by training blended teams from the get go?? Just a thought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like ECNL in Northern VA will be struggling next year.

That’s a big generalization! For all DA and all ENCL teams in NOVA, it will be team and age group specific. There will be some strong teams and some weak teams in both leagues.

Ignore it. Just GDA guy posturing to drive players to Spirit.

Okay. I'll be your huckleberry

Who will be able to field competitive 04, 05, and 06 ECNL teams next year? Serious question. I can only think of one. VDA.

If the composition of the Mid-Atlantic division of ECNL stays the same (BRYC, Mclean, NC Fusion, Carolina Elite, NCFC, Carolina Rapids, SC United, and Richmond United) with the addition of the two NOVA clubs (VDA and Loudoun), then I don’t think any ECNL club in NOVA fields a team that falls in the top half of the bracket at those ages. Just look at the ECNL standings right now for that division: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-conference-standings-2/

Mclean and BRYC, at U15 (2003 birth year) and above are quite competitive. But both of those clubs are being clobbered at U14 (2004 birth year) and below. Unless they pick up some 04s—from where, you might wonder, with all the other options?—i don’t expect that to change.

As for the new ECNL teams, I don’t expect that VDA 04 will hang on to all its current players in the 04 birth year, given the rumors on this board of departures after the league switch. And they weren’t great in DA. At Loudoun, the girls in 04 have been jerked around a LOT. IF they’ve already moved somewhere else, would they go back for ECNL? The Loudoun 05 girls just lost in the second round of STate CUp to Stafford.

I predict the NOVA ECNL teams will be bottom of the bracket next year at U15 (2004) and below, and none will qualify for the ECNL playoffs.

Isn't Wilmington Hammerheads also joining that conference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like ECNL in Northern VA will be struggling next year.

That’s a big generalization! For all DA and all ENCL teams in NOVA, it will be team and age group specific. There will be some strong teams and some weak teams in both leagues.

Ignore it. Just GDA guy posturing to drive players to Spirit.

Okay. I'll be your huckleberry

Who will be able to field competitive 04, 05, and 06 ECNL teams next year? Serious question. I can only think of one. VDA.

If the composition of the Mid-Atlantic division of ECNL stays the same (BRYC, Mclean, NC Fusion, Carolina Elite, NCFC, Carolina Rapids, SC United, and Richmond United) with the addition of the two NOVA clubs (VDA and Loudoun), then I don’t think any ECNL club in NOVA fields a team that falls in the top half of the bracket at those ages. Just look at the ECNL standings right now for that division: http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/mid-atlantic-conference-standings-2/

Mclean and BRYC, at U15 (2003 birth year) and above are quite competitive. But both of those clubs are being clobbered at U14 (2004 birth year) and below. Unless they pick up some 04s—from where, you might wonder, with all the other options?—i don’t expect that to change.

As for the new ECNL teams, I don’t expect that VDA 04 will hang on to all its current players in the 04 birth year, given the rumors on this board of departures after the league switch. And they weren’t great in DA. At Loudoun, the girls in 04 have been jerked around a LOT. IF they’ve already moved somewhere else, would they go back for ECNL? The Loudoun 05 girls just lost in the second round of STate CUp to Stafford.

I predict the NOVA ECNL teams will be bottom of the bracket next year at U15 (2004) and below, and none will qualify for the ECNL playoffs.

Isn't Wilmington Hammerheads also joining that conference?

Yep. Maybe that slot should have went to Stafford instead.

[Anonymous]

I'm lost, why is Stafford being brought up repeatedly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're most def not my huckleberry but I would say that there is no doubt at the younger ages that ecnl teams will have a tougher time drawing players for this fall. The draw of GDA this year is undeniable despite USSF efforts to shoot themselves in the foot.


All local elite level teams will be diluted however. As a generalization I expect local ECNL teams to be about as competitive in their respective leagues as local GDA teams. I don't expect any local elite team in the 04-06 group to dominate. 

Disagree. Arlington 04 has a good chance to win DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're most def not my huckleberry but I would say that there is no doubt at the younger ages that ecnl teams will have a tougher time drawing players for this fall. The draw of GDA this year is undeniable despite USSF efforts to shoot themselves in the foot.


All local elite level teams will be diluted however. As a generalization I expect local ECNL teams to be about as competitive in their respective leagues as local GDA teams. I don't expect any local elite team in the 04-06 group to dominate. 

Disagree. Arlington 04 has a good chance to win DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you need a spot, BRYC will find a way to take your money. They’re already shoehorning VDA players into crowded rosters.

How many will they put on a roster? When you say crowded, like 20? 22?

DA rosters are maxed at 20. 18 can dress on game day.
ECNL rosters are bigger. But only 18 (?) can dress on gameday

ECNL can have dual rostered players. Kids primarily play on 2nd team though.

DA has developmental players. Dps primaiy play for 2nd team though.

Spirit was given an exemption to have more then 20 kids on 04 roster because they were a startup and didn't have a 2nd team for DPs. That of course changes next year with announcment of their EDP team.

I think the only real mistake Spirit VA might have done is not be upfront with the 04s and 03s about how the year would be handled. I'm not sure all the 04s knew going in the roster would be that large, and I don't think the 03s knew going in that they were expected to share game time with the 04s to give all the 04s enough playing time. If they had known going in, they probably would have handled it better.

But a PP said that this coming year for all 03s and down would be better, and I think that's pretty accurate. The better 03s will blend with the 02s, and those 03s still developing can have a chance through the EDP team. I wonder if it will be like the way the BDA does it, where all the U16 DA teams play each other.

I was wondering too if the dual age to each roster might be Spirit's attempt to answer the gap year question, by training blended teams from the get go?? Just a thought.

Great questions and thanks. The DCUM SP (sock puppet) jumped on everyone on the board about raising these issues, insulted people, and said "call Tom." I guess every board needs its SP, and he is it. And proud. LOL.

I think getting info from current WS DA players is helpful, and wish WS offers had been a little more clear. Just want to understand, and not really trying to call them out or pin them down to something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you need a spot, BRYC will find a way to take your money. They’re already shoehorning VDA players into crowded rosters.

How many will they put on a roster? When you say crowded, like 20? 22?

DA rosters are maxed at 20. 18 can dress on game day.
ECNL rosters are bigger. But only 18 (?) can dress on gameday

ECNL can have dual rostered players. Kids primarily play on 2nd team though.

DA has developmental players. Dps primaiy play for 2nd team though.

Spirit was given an exemption to have more then 20 kids on 04 roster because they were a startup and didn't have a 2nd team for DPs. That of course changes next year with announcment of their EDP team.

I think the only real mistake Spirit VA might have done is not be upfront with the 04s and 03s about how the year would be handled. I'm not sure all the 04s knew going in the roster would be that large, and I don't think the 03s knew going in that they were expected to share game time with the 04s to give all the 04s enough playing time. If they had known going in, they probably would have handled it better.

But a PP said that this coming year for all 03s and down would be better, and I think that's pretty accurate. The better 03s will blend with the 02s, and those 03s still developing can have a chance through the EDP team. I wonder if it will be like the way the BDA does it, where all the U16 DA teams play each other.

I was wondering too if the dual age to each roster might be Spirit's attempt to answer the gap year question, by training blended teams from the get go?? Just a thought.

Great questions and thanks. The DCUM SP (sock puppet) jumped on everyone on the board about raising these issues, insulted people, and said "call Tom." I guess every board needs its SP, and he is it. And proud. LOL.

I think getting info from current WS DA players is helpful, and wish WS offers had been a little more clear. Just want to understand, and not really trying to call them out or pin them down to something.

On behalf of the Sane Parents Alliance (SPA), we are happy you understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You're most def not my huckleberry but I would say that there is no doubt at the younger ages that ecnl teams will have a tougher time drawing players for this fall. The draw of GDA this year is undeniable despite USSF efforts to shoot themselves in the foot.


All local elite level teams will be diluted however. As a generalization I expect local ECNL teams to be about as competitive in their respective leagues as local GDA teams. I don't expect any local elite team in the 04-06 group to dominate. 

Disagree. Arlington 04 has a good chance to win DA.

Top 10 teams in Region I:

1 FC STARS ECNL (MA) [11] 35.41
2 SDFC 09 YELLOW (NJ) [38] 34.53
3 ARLINGTON SA RED (VA) [39] 34.52
4 SOUTH SHORE SELECT AP (MA) [48] 34.30
5 PENN FUSION SA (PAE) [53] 34.26
6 CONNECTICUT FC ECNL (CT) [60] 34.17
7 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ) [61] 34.15
8 SJEB RUSH ACADEMY (NJ) [62] 34.13
9 EAST MEADOW SC ECNL BARCA (NYE) [66] 34.08
10 SKY BLUE PDA (NJ) [68] 34.07

Assuming Arlington Red remains largely intact, my prediction of them having a good chance winning their division in DA is supported in fact.