Final UK undergrad ranking is out as if last night (The Times)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oxford and Cambridge were the most known schools before internet but St Andrews and LSE went up on radar of international students since 2000 and now all four schools are in same tier.

Total rubbish.

+1. The fact that PP mentions St. Andrews and LSE and not Imperial or King's College tells you they have no idea what they are talking about. Here are the recent QW world university rankings: Imperial College 2; Oxford 4; Cambridge 6, King's College 31; Edinburgh 34; LSE 56, and St. Andrews at a low 136. https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/university-st-andrews

QS rankings are garbage for undergraduate education…..looks at US unis. Notre Dame, which is a TOP 20 undergraduate uni, is ranked way after schools like Arizona State….or other mediocre state univeristies in the US.

+1

QS ranking is worthless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oxford and Cambridge were the most known schools before internet but St Andrews and LSE went up on radar of international students since 2000 and now all four schools are in same tier.

Total rubbish.

+1. The fact that PP mentions St. Andrews and LSE and not Imperial or King's College tells you they have no idea what they are talking about. Here are the recent QW world university rankings: Imperial College 2; Oxford 4; Cambridge 6, King's College 31; Edinburgh 34; LSE 56, and St. Andrews at a low 136. https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/university-st-andrews

QS rankings are garbage for undergraduate education…..looks at US unis. Notre Dame, which is a TOP 20 undergraduate uni, is ranked way after schools like Arizona State….or other mediocre state univeristies in the US.

And yet the world, wiki, and the Chronicle of Higher Education disagrees with you. https://www.asu.edu.eg/QsRanking/

Sure. Go ahead and send your kids to Arizona State while mine will go to Notre Dame….

Mine is at Oxford.

A) We didn't ask, nor do we care
B) Now its obvious why you're c*ckriding QS rankings so much; it's because they put Oxford at 4

Haha. You walked right into it with your taunt re Arizona. The more reputable rankings services have Oxford as no. 1, of course. Try not to be such a jerk on the internet. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2025-10-09-oxford-named-best-university-world-record-tenth-consecutive-year#:~:text=AwardsEducationResearchUniversity,demanding%20benchmark%20of%20university%20performance.

I’m not the PP. Yiu assume to much. I’m the ASU poster. Clearly the top 20 or so are the obvious ones. But please, dont pretend that the whole QS rankings are completely irrelevant for undergrad. the ASU was simply a point about how ridiculous it is to use that rankings in the US to compare schools like Notre Dame and Georgetown and Dartmouth to ASU or U of Arizona….please….

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Aren’t….

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Yes, QS rankings outside the elite top 20 or is complete waste of time to evaluate Undergraduate excellence. Some of the examples above are obvious one. There are plenty more. There is not one single ranking that quantifies/qualifies anything. When looking at undergraduate education, certain rankings are more in line with the reality of that undergraduate institution. Sometimes individual major rankings are more appropriate. It all depends on the goal of the student here. For the UK, it makes sense to look at their own internal UK rankings (there are 3 of them, CUG, Times and Guardian) and see what they all say about the uni and the individual programs. It becomes pretty easy to see trends between the top 7-10 and the rest over the years. Then it is about fit…..go visit. Talk to graduates and current students in the 1st and last year. Get real actionable data and opinions instead of listening to know it alls in this board…

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, QS rankings outside the elite top 20 or is complete waste of time to evaluate Undergraduate excellence. Some of the examples above are obvious one. There are plenty more. There is not one single ranking that quantifies/qualifies anything. When looking at undergraduate education, certain rankings are more in line with the reality of that undergraduate institution. Sometimes individual major rankings are more appropriate. It all depends on the goal of the student here. For the UK, it makes sense to look at their own internal UK rankings (there are 3 of them, CUG, Times and Guardian) and see what they all say about the uni and the individual programs. It becomes pretty easy to see trends between the top 7-10 and the rest over the years. Then it is about fit…..go visit. Talk to graduates and current students in the 1st and last year. Get real actionable data and opinions instead of listening to know it alls in this board…

Wow….common sense at DCUM

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, QS rankings outside the elite top 20 or is complete waste of time to evaluate Undergraduate excellence. Some of the examples above are obvious one. There are plenty more. There is not one single ranking that quantifies/qualifies anything. When looking at undergraduate education, certain rankings are more in line with the reality of that undergraduate institution. Sometimes individual major rankings are more appropriate. It all depends on the goal of the student here. For the UK, it makes sense to look at their own internal UK rankings (there are 3 of them, CUG, Times and Guardian) and see what they all say about the uni and the individual programs. It becomes pretty easy to see trends between the top 7-10 and the rest over the years. Then it is about fit…..go visit. Talk to graduates and current students in the 1st and last year. Get real actionable data and opinions instead of listening to know it alls in this board…

Wow….common sense at DCUM

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oxford and Cambridge were the most known schools before internet but St Andrews and LSE went up on radar of international students since 2000 and now all four schools are in same tier.

Total rubbish.

+1. The fact that PP mentions St. Andrews and LSE and not Imperial or King's College tells you they have no idea what they are talking about. Here are the recent QW world university rankings: Imperial College 2; Oxford 4; Cambridge 6, King's College 31; Edinburgh 34; LSE 56, and St. Andrews at a low 136. https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/university-st-andrews

QS rankings are garbage for undergraduate education…..looks at US unis. Notre Dame, which is a TOP 20 undergraduate uni, is ranked way after schools like Arizona State….or other mediocre state univeristies in the US.

And yet the world, wiki, and the Chronicle of Higher Education disagrees with you. https://www.asu.edu.eg/QsRanking/

Sure. Go ahead and send your kids to Arizona State while mine will go to Notre Dame….

Mine is at Oxford.

A) We didn't ask, nor do we care
B) Now its obvious why you're c*ckriding QS rankings so much; it's because they put Oxford at 4

Haha. You walked right into it with your taunt re Arizona. The more reputable rankings services have Oxford as no. 1, of course. Try not to be such a jerk on the internet. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2025-10-09-oxford-named-best-university-world-record-tenth-consecutive-year#:~:text=AwardsEducationResearchUniversity,demanding%20benchmark%20of%20university%20performance.

+1. I just love it when the arrogant twits -who have no idea what they are talking about - set themselves up to look like idiots in this board. They try to argue a position but when others, rationally, show them to be wrong, instead of agreeing and/or slinking away, they double down and scream louder and throw insults. But, invariably, they get hoist by their own petard and are shown to be the cantankerous fools that they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, QS rankings outside the elite top 20 or is complete waste of time to evaluate Undergraduate excellence. Some of the examples above are obvious one. There are plenty more. There is not one single ranking that quantifies/qualifies anything. When looking at undergraduate education, certain rankings are more in line with the reality of that undergraduate institution. Sometimes individual major rankings are more appropriate. It all depends on the goal of the student here. For the UK, it makes sense to look at their own internal UK rankings (there are 3 of them, CUG, Times and Guardian) and see what they all say about the uni and the individual programs. It becomes pretty easy to see trends between the top 7-10 and the rest over the years. Then it is about fit…..go visit. Talk to graduates and current students in the 1st and last year. Get real actionable data and opinions instead of listening to know it alls in this board…

Wow….common sense at DCUM

Responding to your own comment, lol. And yes, we can tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oxford and Cambridge were the most known schools before internet but St Andrews and LSE went up on radar of international students since 2000 and now all four schools are in same tier.

Total rubbish.

+1. The fact that PP mentions St. Andrews and LSE and not Imperial or King's College tells you they have no idea what they are talking about. Here are the recent QW world university rankings: Imperial College 2; Oxford 4; Cambridge 6, King's College 31; Edinburgh 34; LSE 56, and St. Andrews at a low 136. https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/university-st-andrews

QS rankings are garbage for undergraduate education…..looks at US unis. Notre Dame, which is a TOP 20 undergraduate uni, is ranked way after schools like Arizona State….or other mediocre state univeristies in the US.

And yet the world, wiki, and the Chronicle of Higher Education disagrees with you. https://www.asu.edu.eg/QsRanking/

Sure. Go ahead and send your kids to Arizona State while mine will go to Notre Dame….

Hahahhahaa

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She heard back from St Andrews today. She was rejected. She is crushed…..Durham might be it. We will be visiting both of them next month. Any suggestions?

Sorry to hear that. As others have posted, Durham is a great uni.
Would you mind sharing her Stats?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She heard back from St Andrews today. She was rejected. She is crushed…..Durham might be it. We will be visiting both of them next month. Any suggestions?

Sorry to hear that. As others have posted, Durham is a great uni.
Would you mind sharing her Stats?

Posted before:

39 IB. Not an AP school, just 2 APs self study at 5 (planning on taking 2 more after senior yr)
1500 SAT one seating.

We thought she was a shoo-in St Andrews since others have gotten in with less than that.

[Anonymous]

When are you going to tour Durham? DD wants to apply to Durham too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She heard back from St Andrews today. She was rejected. She is crushed…..Durham might be it. We will be visiting both of them next month. Any suggestions?

Sorry to hear that. As others have posted, Durham is a great uni.
Would you mind sharing her Stats?

Posted before:

39 IB. Not an AP school, just 2 APs self study at 5 (planning on taking 2 more after senior yr)
1500 SAT one seating.

We thought she was a shoo-in St Andrews since others have gotten in with less than that.

What program did she apply to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

This is exactly what we are looking at. Kid wont be applying to Oxbridge. But will apply to 5 of the ones in this exact list. If your kid knows what he/she wants to do, the 3 yr programs in England make a lot of sense and yes, you will be saving a ton of money (specially if outside of London). The Scottish unis being 4 yrs reduce the gap in price. But it still still cheaper than most top 100 private full pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just average them out:

This is the avg using the same weight:

1. Oxford — avg 2.33

2. Cambridge / LSE & St Andrews — tied at avg 2.67

3. Durham — avg 4.33
4. Imperial — avg 6.00
5. Warwick — avg 8.00
6. Bath — avg 7.67
7. Loughborough — avg 10.00
8. UCL — avg 10.67
9. Lancaster — avg 11.33
10. Exeter — avg 14.00

Your averages are not correct…. This is the correct avg of all 3:

1. Oxford — 2.33
2. Cambridge / LSE / St Andrews — 2.67
3. Durham — 4.33
4. Imperial — 6.00
5. Bath — 7.67
6. Warwick — 8.00
7. Loughborough — 10.00
8. UCL — 10.67
9. Lancaster — 13.00
10. Bristol — 13.33
11. Exeter — 14.00

Outside Oxbridge which would compete with Ivies, any of these schools here would be a great option for any US student looking to save 30 to 60% vs Full pay US privates.

This is exactly what we are looking at. Kid wont be applying to Oxbridge. But will apply to 5 of the ones in this exact list. If your kid knows what he/she wants to do, the 3 yr programs in England make a lot of sense and yes, you will be saving a ton of money (specially if outside of London). The Scottish unis being 4 yrs reduce the gap in price. But it still still cheaper than most top 100 private full pay.

Scottish unis also have 3 year programs for quite a few subjects