Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

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Anonymous wrote:I agree here as well. Enough of political correct talk. RP PTA first email was spot on.

- Another RP parent

Was there a second email? I only read the one stating that 7% is already more than the neighboring schools.

Second was a toned down version to keep it politically correct. Anyway, RP Parents should speak up. IF WG can all that noise without having any valid concern, I think we have a good argument here. RP is near Potomac and not a typical Rockville neighborhood. 7% is already high.

This is a terrible argument and the second email was not written to be politically correct, but just to be clear that the pta wanted everybody to be free to voice their opinions.

The argument we are taking isn’t meant to arrive at any particular farms rate, but to recognize that the neighborhood configuration is best served by option b. The other options lead to busing or travel increases. The other options often split more neighborhoods into islands and isolate. Ommuniti a from their elementary schools.

OK, so tell me how E leads to islands?

Do you know that every option leads to one zone or another increased bus time? Are you talking about FAllsgrove kids sitting in bus for 2 additional minutes and at the same time forcing FARMS kids to have a difficult walk? I think RP2 should get bus no matter where they go. It's a hard walk and I tried it myself yesterday after seeing all discussion about it.

It's far easier for falls grove kids to spend two minutes extra in bus than lots of FARMs kids to do a difficult Walk in RP2. If MCPS provides bus to RP2 to RM#5 then I will feel less annoyed.

Anyone talking about 6 minutes bus ride vs 9 minutes of bus ride has no argument here. That's a stupid way to approach this decision. MCPS should look at how long many kids take bus ride right now in lots of schools. Someone posted it here earlier.

DP.. I agree that Rp2 should have a bus. Option E leaves B8 an island. Look at the map. I don't believe FG bus will be 2 extra minutes. I don't live in FG, but I drive down Wootton pkwy towards the pike, passing Edmonston during high traffic times. It's pretty backed up.

Thanks for pointing it out. I had missed it earlier. Why don't BOE adds B8 in CG? CG has enough extra capacity to take B8. I don't know the number of kids in B8 so just making a gues that it's not too high.

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Bus service to RP6 will decrease by 3min if they go to RM5. They do not have walk thru access to RM5 as their only 2 access roads go to Maryland Ave

This isn't true.

I live in RP6 and regularly walk to the new school (just for fun/exercise). It is exactly a 1 mile walk if I cut through Dogwood Park. It takes about 14-15 minutes. It also takes 14-15 minutes to drive there because I have to drive past the school on Wootton and double back to it. I can drive to Ritchie Park in 9-11 minutes.

However, I don't care about that extra few minutes drive. I care about getting my kids out of a situation where their school is overcrowded, physical resources are stretched, and some kids have to be out in portables. Since leaving us at RP leaves RP over 100% capacity, I am OK with moving to the new school.

I think many Horizon Hill RP parents are behaving absolutely atrociously -- but I am truly not surprised. They've always been a clique-y, judgemental group with an undercurrent of racism. Now its all out in the open.

You are a flat out liar. You could hit RM5 two easy ways. What school down Wootton are you passing and doubling back on to make you a 15min drive. That is the same drive as kids in Fallsgrove supposedly and you are LITERALLY right next to RM5. Please stop.

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If RP6 drive is supposedly a 15min car commute than RP5 has a 45min bus commute easily. Can we get some perspective here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why all this "RP2 can't walk" because some are low income?
I am curious what zones here are saying that.

I am RP2 myself. I can walk with my kids everyday for 20 minutes to drop him, then 20 minutes back and then head to office.

But most parents can't spend 40 minutes walking with their kids in RP2. That's why it will be better if they get bus to go to either RP or RM#5.

I think many have no experience what it means to be a FARM parent. It's not that they are lazy and don't want to spend 40 minutes of walk. They don't have luxury to spend that much time in walking.

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Anonymous wrote:If RP6 drive is supposedly a 15min car commute than RP5 has a 45min bus commute easily. Can we get some perspective here.

Both claims looks wrong to me.

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You are a flat out liar. You could hit RM5 two easy ways. What school down Wootton are you passing and doubling back on to make you a 15min drive. That is the same drive as kids in Fallsgrove supposedly and you are LITERALLY right next to RM5. Please stop.

Reading comprehension is your friend. The school I have to drive past on Wootton is RM#5 (it's on the left as I head down Wootton to make the left onto Edmonston). It's an annoying drive, but as I said, I'm fine with it. I expressed zero opinions about RP5 -- under no option will they end up at the same school as RP6, it's up to their neighborhood to fight for what's best for them. Please read.

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Anonymous wrote:For God’s sake, those kids are already in RP right now, we are not busing them anywhere else...just admit that having them will make you not in line with your <7% Potomac neighborhood..

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that ~25min busing is not desirable, but how about those kids who lives 0.9mile from school have to walk ~20+ min daily without access to a car, in heat, wind, rain, snow, ice?
It is definitely not "wonderful walking distance", it is some times miserable..

And what about kids in those same circumstances who live in Twinbrook? Do you advocate busing them to a different school, too? There are community support measures that can be put in place (both official MCPS ones and informal ones from neighbors) so that children do not need to walk alone and in bad weather. That is not a reason to bus children to a completely different school.

Exactly. What about Wheaton, Silver Spring, Kensington, etc... Do you all advocate we bus them away from their walkable schools?

Also, the furthest walk for RP2 is 0.8 miles. That is a little more than 3 times around a track. It isn't miles away, uphill, in 5ft of snow kinda crap.

DP... I feel like we are talking to a wall here. It's not abot NOT wanting Rp2. It's about promoting proximity as much as possible for EVERYONE, which was one of the key things that the community pushed for. If RP2 were closer to RP than ES#5 then we'd be pushing for RP2 to stay at RP. I don't know how many times we have to say this. The majority of parents in the entire RM cluster chose proximity as the most important thing. So why is this a #1 priority for everyone, and that's ok, but not for RP? We had a speaker who was for keeping RP2 in RP but only for the purpose of FARMs rate. How do most in RP2 feel? Do they want to leave or stay in RP? If they want to stay in RP, I don't think anyone in RP other than FG area (because that would mean added commute for them, which again, goes against the #1 priority for most parents, ie proximity) gives a fig.

I live in HH. It has zero bearing on me and my kids if RP2 stays or goes. My kids will be in MS by then. But, I think it's completely wrong for people to claim that proximity should be the most important thing, EXCEPT when it comes to RP and their 7% FARMs rate.

I really hope that the person or people who keep posting this sh1te are trolls just looking to stir the pot, and people actually don't think RP folks are trying to push anyone out. That is the furthest thing from the truth. My DC has a BFF in RP2. The BFF won't be affected, either as they will all be in MS by then.

Let's stop pretending that proximity to school is the most important factor in education. RPES is part of the RMHS cluster and needs to do its part in helping the FARMS student achieve a good education. RP2 is already at RPES and they are not going to be affected in any way if they stay at RPES.

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Anonymous wrote:It is easy for a clueless individual to say that 2 extra kids won't make any difference, but ask any teacher what it means to have 8 instead of 6 FARMS kids in their class. At 25% FARMS 6 kids have the chance to be brought to the same level as their peers close to the end of the elementary school. At 33% most of the 8 kids will still be behind at the end of elementary school. It's not about 2 kids. It is about 6 kids succeeding or 8 kids not succeeding.

Anonymous wrote:It is easy for a clueless individual to say that 2 extra kids won't make any difference, but ask any teacher what it means to have 8 instead of 6 FARMS kids in their class. At 25% FARMS 6 kids have the chance to be brought to the same level as their peers close to the end of the elementary school. At 33% most of the 8 kids will still be behind at the end of elementary school. It's not about 2 kids. It is about 6 kids succeeding or 8 kids not succeeding.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Stop replying ABOVE
2. I am not from RP, I am from Beall (B5)
3. I don't give a crap about FARMS because it is minimal in this situation.
4. Everyone wants proximity. Bussing my kids further and many at RP further for 1.5 extra FARMS kids in a class is not good enough.
5. Where are you located? What section. You never post and say. Are you even in the RM cluster?

Anonymous wrote:It is easy for a clueless individual to say that 2 extra kids won't make any difference, but ask any teacher what it means to have 8 instead of 6 FARMS kids in their class. At 25% FARMS 6 kids have the chance to be brought to the same level as their peers close to the end of the elementary school. At 33% most of the 8 kids will still be behind at the end of elementary school. It's not about 2 kids. It is about 6 kids succeeding or 8 kids not succeeding.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't true.

I live in RP6 and regularly walk to the new school (just for fun/exercise). It is exactly a 1 mile walk if I cut through Dogwood Park. It takes about 14-15 minutes. It also takes 14-15 minutes to drive there because I have to drive past the school on Wootton and double back to it. I can drive to Ritchie Park in 9-11 minutes.

However, I don't care about that extra few minutes drive. I care about getting my kids out of a situation where their school is overcrowded, physical resources are stretched, and some kids have to be out in portables. Since leaving us at RP leaves RP over 100% capacity, I am OK with moving to the new school.

I think many Horizon Hill RP parents are behaving absolutely atrociously -- but I am truly not surprised. They've always been a clique-y, judgemental group with an undercurrent of racism. Now its all out in the open.

Why do you think this? They prioritize proximity just like most other parents, so what makes their behavior anymore atrocious than a CG or Beall parent who prioritizes proximity?

and I guess you missed one of the speakers from HH who is black, a former PTA president, and NAACP rep. Is she a racist, too? There are black and hispanic families in HH. Are they racist against each other?

Where did you see the word racist?

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Anonymous wrote:For God’s sake, those kids are already in RP right now, we are not busing them anywhere else...just admit that having them will make you not in line with your <7% Potomac neighborhood..

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that ~25min busing is not desirable, but how about those kids who lives 0.9mile from school have to walk ~20+ min daily without access to a car, in heat, wind, rain, snow, ice?
It is definitely not "wonderful walking distance", it is some times miserable..

And what about kids in those same circumstances who live in Twinbrook? Do you advocate busing them to a different school, too? There are community support measures that can be put in place (both official MCPS ones and informal ones from neighbors) so that children do not need to walk alone and in bad weather. That is not a reason to bus children to a completely different school.

Exactly. What about Wheaton, Silver Spring, Kensington, etc... Do you all advocate we bus them away from their walkable schools?

Also, the furthest walk for RP2 is 0.8 miles. That is a little more than 3 times around a track. It isn't miles away, uphill, in 5ft of snow kinda crap.

DP... I feel like we are talking to a wall here. It's not abot NOT wanting Rp2. It's about promoting proximity as much as possible for EVERYONE, which was one of the key things that the community pushed for. If RP2 were closer to RP than ES#5 then we'd be pushing for RP2 to stay at RP. I don't know how many times we have to say this. The majority of parents in the entire RM cluster chose proximity as the most important thing. So why is this a #1 priority for everyone, and that's ok, but not for RP? We had a speaker who was for keeping RP2 in RP but only for the purpose of FARMs rate. How do most in RP2 feel? Do they want to leave or stay in RP? If they want to stay in RP, I don't think anyone in RP other than FG area (because that would mean added commute for them, which again, goes against the #1 priority for most parents, ie proximity) gives a fig.

I live in HH. It has zero bearing on me and my kids if RP2 stays or goes. My kids will be in MS by then. But, I think it's completely wrong for people to claim that proximity should be the most important thing, EXCEPT when it comes to RP and their 7% FARMs rate.

I really hope that the person or people who keep posting this sh1te are trolls just looking to stir the pot, and people actually don't think RP folks are trying to push anyone out. That is the furthest thing from the truth. My DC has a BFF in RP2. The BFF won't be affected, either as they will all be in MS by then.

Let's stop pretending that proximity to school is the most important factor in education. RPES is part of the RMHS cluster and needs to do its part in helping the FARMS student achieve a good education. RP2 is already at RPES and they are not going to be affected in any way if they stay at RPES.

Tell that to the rest of the cluster who overwhelmingly chose proximity as the #1 criteria.

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Anonymous wrote:Why all this "RP2 can't walk" because some are low income?
I am curious what zones here are saying that.

I am RP2 myself. I can walk with my kids everyday for 20 minutes to drop him, then 20 minutes back and then head to office.

But most parents can't spend 40 minutes walking with their kids in RP2. That's why it will be better if they get bus to go to either RP or RM#5.

I think many have no experience what it means to be a FARM parent. It's not that they are lazy and don't want to spend 40 minutes of walk. They don't have luxury to spend that much time in walking.

But you aren't FARMS.

How do you head to the office?

Why can't your child bike to school with friends?

Why can't they walk in a group or rotate parents walking group of kids once a week.

Why does your walkable area get to get a bus and all other walkable 1 mile elementary schools do not? Many of them have low income.

If you get busses, then so should T1, B1, and C1. They all have low income kids in their walkable area. How do their parents do it?

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Let's stop pretending that proximity to school is the most important factor in education. RPES is part of the RMHS cluster and needs to do its part in helping the FARMS student achieve a good education. RP2 is already at RPES and they are not going to be affected in any way if they stay at RPES.

RPES can keep either Fallsgrove or RP2/6. Is this a surprise to anyone who they would want to keep?

Proximity is ONE out of 4 factors, but many parents want to make this as ONLY factor to get to 7% FARMs in RP.

Everything else is noise here. BOE is not stupid. They even have the copy of RP PTA circulation.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't true.

I live in RP6 and regularly walk to the new school (just for fun/exercise). It is exactly a 1 mile walk if I cut through Dogwood Park. It takes about 14-15 minutes. It also takes 14-15 minutes to drive there because I have to drive past the school on Wootton and double back to it. I can drive to Ritchie Park in 9-11 minutes.

However, I don't care about that extra few minutes drive. I care about getting my kids out of a situation where their school is overcrowded, physical resources are stretched, and some kids have to be out in portables. Since leaving us at RP leaves RP over 100% capacity, I am OK with moving to the new school.

I think many Horizon Hill RP parents are behaving absolutely atrociously -- but I am truly not surprised. They've always been a clique-y, judgemental group with an undercurrent of racism. Now its all out in the open.

Why do you think this? They prioritize proximity just like most other parents, so what makes their behavior anymore atrocious than a CG or Beall parent who prioritizes proximity?

and I guess you missed one of the speakers from HH who is black, a former PTA president, and NAACP rep. Is she a racist, too? There are black and hispanic families in HH. Are they racist against each other?

Where did you see the word racist?

And I quote: "They've always been a clique-y, judgemental group with an undercurrent of racism".

I am a minority and live in HH. Some of my neighbors are black and hispanic. You people are either completely cluess or just trying to stir the pot. I also grew up low income.

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Let's stop pretending that proximity to school is the most important factor in education. RPES is part of the RMHS cluster and needs to do its part in helping the FARMS student achieve a good education. RP2 is already at RPES and they are not going to be affected in any way if they stay at RPES.

RPES can keep either Fallsgrove or RP2/6. Is this a surprise to anyone who they would want to keep?

Proximity is ONE out of 4 factors, but many parents want to make this as ONLY factor to get to 7% FARMs in RP.

Everything else is noise here. BOE is not stupid. They even have the copy of RP PTA circulation.

Or, many people only want option E so for FARMS equity and screw those areas that have a longer commute or make them an island. I can turn it around and make it look like people only care about FARMs over everything else. But you are right, there are FOUR factors. I've not heard where FARMs equity is the #1 priority.