FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can FCPS be sued if rising Juniors have no one to go to for teacher recommendations because they have all been switched due to boundary changes? I guess this is my biggest worry; that after building years of good will my kid will be starting all over again. And his recommendations will be crap because the teachers haven’t know him very long.

The SB does not care about that. Your problem is legit, but they are looking to fry much much bigger fish.

You can’t make an equity omelet without breaking a lot of eggs along the way.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can FCPS be sued if rising Juniors have no one to go to for teacher recommendations because they have all been switched due to boundary changes? I guess this is my biggest worry; that after building years of good will my kid will be starting all over again. And his recommendations will be crap because the teachers haven’t know him very long.

Probably not because you won't be able to show a cognizable harm. Were you unable to get a rec? Is your rec worse than the hypothetical rec that you will never receive? Unfortunately that one isn't going anywhere.

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Seriously, it sounds like everyone needs to push to stop the transfer of students out of their home pyramid because of AP, language or whatever too. I especially like the kids who are ‘too good’ to play football or field hockey at their base high school so they use cover of a language to get to the school they want to go to. You have to offer something of a solution other than it just can’t happen.

We are fine at our high FARMs school and were never worried about our kid’s education but these BS transfers could have improved our school’s standings and public perception.

Go to school where you live

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can FCPS be sued if rising Juniors have no one to go to for teacher recommendations because they have all been switched due to boundary changes? I guess this is my biggest worry; that after building years of good will my kid will be starting all over again. And his recommendations will be crap because the teachers haven’t know him very long.

Probably not because you won't be able to show a cognizable harm. Were you unable to get a rec? Is your rec worse than the hypothetical rec that you will never receive? Unfortunately that one isn't going anywhere.

Gotcha. One of the first questions they ask is how long have you known the applicant and 2.5 years sounds like a whole lot better than 3 months.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, can FCPS be sued if rising Juniors have no one to go to for teacher recommendations because they have all been switched due to boundary changes? I guess this is my biggest worry; that after building years of good will my kid will be starting all over again. And his recommendations will be crap because the teachers haven’t know him very long.

Probably not because you won't be able to show a cognizable harm. Were you unable to get a rec? Is your rec worse than the hypothetical rec that you will never receive? Unfortunately that one isn't going anywhere.

Gotcha. One of the first questions they ask is how long have you known the applicant and 2.5 years sounds like a whole lot better than 3 months.

Totally agree. One of the consequences of not phasing in at freshman year that they don't care about. I don't think they will have it done until 2025 at the earliest as McDaniels said and your kid will be able to stay at their school for senior year so you probably will be OK.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to bring this to the attention of Youngkin, Sears, and Miyares. This is a PR goldmine for Republicans wanting to highlight how out-of-touch and despotic the local Democrats have become in NoVa.

I think their changes will be well received by the county and most of their constituents. I think many underestimate how popular these public school initiatives have become.

Seattle public schools recently eliminated their version of AAP in the name of equity.

I think you are wrong. But I guess we will see.

The changes to the TJ admissions process seem to be along similar lines and that was well-received. Sure a handful of people were upset, but I think it had overall popular support.

This affects people’s property values. Their ability to retire, meet savings goals, or simply sell. Even the most liberal voter won’t stand for losing a hundred thousand in their house overnight.

The problem is that these pyramids were even allowed to become so disparate. Doing so created some winners as buyers were willing to pay more for certain schools. Undoing that stem will create losers. People who stand to lose substantial amounts of money will fight tooth and nail. I get it. To others, it’s an abstract data point, but to them it may mean a real difference in life trajectory.

FCPS is not in the business of ensuring personal investment risk is minimized for some and maximized for others.

Yeah, that's why they expanded West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when Mount Vernon had capacity. Karen Corbett-Sanders and the other Democratic politicians in that part of the county like Scott Surovell were more than happy to stick the rest of us with the bill for that expansion, but now they want to screw other school pyramids.

I would assume that region 3 gets screwed by any boundary shift. Moving MVHS closer to capacity with schools from Fort Hunt makes West Po a very high poverty school. You could use Hayfield, but that means a really long bus ride to Whitman for middle school and Hayfield becomes a high farms rate school.

I really don't think that most people, even on this thread, fully get how massive the change could be. It's not going to be just about which elementary school they try to switch to which high school. They could totally redo everything, including who goes to what elementary schools, which schools feed which pyramid, even completely redo the regions (as if the regions really matter anyway.) The only thing they won't change with this is the achievement of any individual students, except downwards of course.

Yeah, that's why they expanded West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when Mount Vernon had capacity. Karen Corbett-Sanders and the other Democratic politicians in that part of the county like Scott Surovell were more than happy to stick the rest of us with the bill for that expansion, but now they want to screw other school pyramids.

Agree and it is a sad thing to say. The testing situation needs to change as does viewing success only as attending a 4 year college with high SAT scores. I came from a working class background and don’t see why that doesn’t get more respect.

I’m bad at reading these policies, can someone clarify if the board can only change 15% of the population at a time without major hearings? Their criteria are that they don’t break up communities, but they seem eager to do that.

I think it’s really important to emphasize that even though public hearings are better than no public hearings, this board is absolutely tone deaf when it comes to public opinion. Don’t forget, we were just told yesterday by a board member that Fairfax County kids are snowflakes and need to toughen up by getting redistricted.

It’s safe to assume that they will “operationalize” whatever they want to, regardless of the overwhelming outrage they are about to encounter. If it’s announced, it’s a done deal. Reach out before they announce the lines.

Are they really? Or could it be just that they are advancing initiatives that you don’t support?

There will be no large scale public outrage like you wish there would be. There will be pissed off WSHS parents, but that’s it.

If it makes you feel any better, the information about the boundary policy review and next steps have been updated on the website. Looks like there will be plenty of opportunities for you to continue your public whining in the near future.


https://www.fcps.edu/departments-and-offices/office-chief-facilities-services-and-capital-programs/facilities-planning?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR154IQeAb8Ag7dqpkLvInxu8NDKbLEFc3jboWxcOzkT8VcsLoy1XBwEplE_aem_AXaArYhK6SIcK61MJLHyBZWpHUIVFu_ZSOqyDsL7tpxOnTkPcFQJRO1E59GV9tUuHFXZM4XRSf4vQ2lrOLCC0j1c

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to bring this to the attention of Youngkin, Sears, and Miyares. This is a PR goldmine for Republicans wanting to highlight how out-of-touch and despotic the local Democrats have become in NoVa.

I think their changes will be well received by the county and most of their constituents. I think many underestimate how popular these public school initiatives have become.

Seattle public schools recently eliminated their version of AAP in the name of equity.

I think you are wrong. But I guess we will see.

The changes to the TJ admissions process seem to be along similar lines and that was well-received. Sure a handful of people were upset, but I think it had overall popular support.

This affects people’s property values. Their ability to retire, meet savings goals, or simply sell. Even the most liberal voter won’t stand for losing a hundred thousand in their house overnight.

The problem is that these pyramids were even allowed to become so disparate. Doing so created some winners as buyers were willing to pay more for certain schools. Undoing that stem will create losers. People who stand to lose substantial amounts of money will fight tooth and nail. I get it. To others, it’s an abstract data point, but to them it may mean a real difference in life trajectory.

FCPS is not in the business of ensuring personal investment risk is minimized for some and maximized for others.

Yeah, that's why they expanded West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when Mount Vernon had capacity. Karen Corbett-Sanders and the other Democratic politicians in that part of the county like Scott Surovell were more than happy to stick the rest of us with the bill for that expansion, but now they want to screw other school pyramids.

I would assume that region 3 gets screwed by any boundary shift. Moving MVHS closer to capacity with schools from Fort Hunt makes West Po a very high poverty school. You could use Hayfield, but that means a really long bus ride to Whitman for middle school and Hayfield becomes a high farms rate school.

I really don't think that most people, even on this thread, fully get how massive the change could be. It's not going to be just about which elementary school they try to switch to which high school. They could totally redo everything, including who goes to what elementary schools, which schools feed which pyramid, even completely redo the regions (as if the regions really matter anyway.) The only thing they won't change with this is the achievement of any individual students, except downwards of course.

Yeah, that's why they expanded West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when Mount Vernon had capacity. Karen Corbett-Sanders and the other Democratic politicians in that part of the county like Scott Surovell were more than happy to stick the rest of us with the bill for that expansion, but now they want to screw other school pyramids.

Agree and it is a sad thing to say. The testing situation needs to change as does viewing success only as attending a 4 year college with high SAT scores. I came from a working class background and don’t see why that doesn’t get more respect.

I’m bad at reading these policies, can someone clarify if the board can only change 15% of the population at a time without major hearings? Their criteria are that they don’t break up communities, but they seem eager to do that.

I think it’s really important to emphasize that even though public hearings are better than no public hearings, this board is absolutely tone deaf when it comes to public opinion. Don’t forget, we were just told yesterday by a board member that Fairfax County kids are snowflakes and need to toughen up by getting redistricted.

It’s safe to assume that they will “operationalize” whatever they want to, regardless of the overwhelming outrage they are about to encounter. If it’s announced, it’s a done deal. Reach out before they announce the lines.

Are they really? Or could it be just that they are advancing initiatives that you don’t support?

There will be no large scale public outrage like you wish there would be. There will be pissed off WSHS parents, but that’s it.

If it makes you feel any better, the information about the boundary policy review and next steps have been updated on the website. Looks like there will be plenty of opportunities for you to continue your public whining in the near future.


https://www.fcps.edu/departments-and-offices/office-chief-facilities-services-and-capital-programs/facilities-planning?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR154IQeAb8Ag7dqpkLvInxu8NDKbLEFc3jboWxcOzkT8VcsLoy1XBwEplE_aem_AXaArYhK6SIcK61MJLHyBZWpHUIVFu_ZSOqyDsL7tpxOnTkPcFQJRO1E59GV9tUuHFXZM4XRSf4vQ2lrOLCC0j1c

"While adding capacity to or renovating existing buildings is an attractive option for some, it is cost-prohibitive and time-consuming.

So after my tax dollars were used to add capacity to or renovate just about everyone else's facilities, when it might come time to renovate our school, it's now "cost-prohibitive and time-consuming."

Screw these MFs.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to bring this to the attention of Youngkin, Sears, and Miyares. This is a PR goldmine for Republicans wanting to highlight how out-of-touch and despotic the local Democrats have become in NoVa.

I think their changes will be well received by the county and most of their constituents. I think many underestimate how popular these public school initiatives have become.

Seattle public schools recently eliminated their version of AAP in the name of equity.

I think you are wrong. But I guess we will see.

The changes to the TJ admissions process seem to be along similar lines and that was well-received. Sure a handful of people were upset, but I think it had overall popular support.

This affects people’s property values. Their ability to retire, meet savings goals, or simply sell. Even the most liberal voter won’t stand for losing a hundred thousand in their house overnight.

The problem is that these pyramids were even allowed to become so disparate. Doing so created some winners as buyers were willing to pay more for certain schools. Undoing that stem will create losers. People who stand to lose substantial amounts of money will fight tooth and nail. I get it. To others, it’s an abstract data point, but to them it may mean a real difference in life trajectory.

FCPS is not in the business of ensuring personal investment risk is minimized for some and maximized for others.

Yeah, that's why they expanded West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when Mount Vernon had capacity. Karen Corbett-Sanders and the other Democratic politicians in that part of the county like Scott Surovell were more than happy to stick the rest of us with the bill for that expansion, but now they want to screw other school pyramids.

I would assume that region 3 gets screwed by any boundary shift. Moving MVHS closer to capacity with schools from Fort Hunt makes West Po a very high poverty school. You could use Hayfield, but that means a really long bus ride to Whitman for middle school and Hayfield becomes a high farms rate school.

I really don't think that most people, even on this thread, fully get how massive the change could be. It's not going to be just about which elementary school they try to switch to which high school. They could totally redo everything, including who goes to what elementary schools, which schools feed which pyramid, even completely redo the regions (as if the regions really matter anyway.) The only thing they won't change with this is the achievement of any individual students, except downwards of course.

Yeah, that's why they expanded West Potomac HS to 3000 seats when Mount Vernon had capacity. Karen Corbett-Sanders and the other Democratic politicians in that part of the county like Scott Surovell were more than happy to stick the rest of us with the bill for that expansion, but now they want to screw other school pyramids.

Agree and it is a sad thing to say. The testing situation needs to change as does viewing success only as attending a 4 year college with high SAT scores. I came from a working class background and don’t see why that doesn’t get more respect.

I’m bad at reading these policies, can someone clarify if the board can only change 15% of the population at a time without major hearings? Their criteria are that they don’t break up communities, but they seem eager to do that.

I think it’s really important to emphasize that even though public hearings are better than no public hearings, this board is absolutely tone deaf when it comes to public opinion. Don’t forget, we were just told yesterday by a board member that Fairfax County kids are snowflakes and need to toughen up by getting redistricted.

It’s safe to assume that they will “operationalize” whatever they want to, regardless of the overwhelming outrage they are about to encounter. If it’s announced, it’s a done deal. Reach out before they announce the lines.

Are they really? Or could it be just that they are advancing initiatives that you don’t support?

There will be no large scale public outrage like you wish there would be. There will be pissed off WSHS parents, but that’s it.

If it makes you feel any better, the information about the boundary policy review and next steps have been updated on the website. Looks like there will be plenty of opportunities for you to continue your public whining in the near future.


https://www.fcps.edu/departments-and-offices/office-chief-facilities-services-and-capital-programs/facilities-planning?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR154IQeAb8Ag7dqpkLvInxu8NDKbLEFc3jboWxcOzkT8VcsLoy1XBwEplE_aem_AXaArYhK6SIcK61MJLHyBZWpHUIVFu_ZSOqyDsL7tpxOnTkPcFQJRO1E59GV9tUuHFXZM4XRSf4vQ2lrOLCC0j1c

Did you just move here? They want to change the “rules” now because that’s opaque and then let the “rules” spit out results they want and say “well we’re just following the new policy”. The fact that they are separating the rules changes from the actual impacts - the specific boundary changes - makes that clear that they are trying to push this forward while keeping push back tamped down as long as possible.

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What a lying bunch of scumbags. They want to save money? They could start by canceling Karl Frisch's personal boondoggle - Dunn Loring ES - an ES that isn't needed in the wrong location even to meet future needs now projected to cost over $80M.

But they won't, because they are total hypocrites.

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The college rec letter thing is irrelevant. 99% of the letters of recommendation I write are for students I had junior year only. They ask at the end of junior year and I have plenty to write about. Even when I had kids multiple years, I tend to only write about the most recent experiences—that’s the kid colleges are going to get, not the freshman from years ago.

You can oppose the movement for various reasons, but this shouldn’t tip the scales.

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If they go way too far, then the county board just won't fund it. FCPS board members may be amateur politicians, but county board members tend to be more seasoned and some have higher aspirations

As long as it achieves what the leftist-dominated county board wants to see - roughly equivalent FARMs rates across all schools - they will be thrilled, and their ads will trumpet how they "fixed FCPS's equity problem" by following the gospel of One Fairfax. And FCPS will happily collect only the right data, massaged in just the right way, to support the argument.

Hi, I’m PP and I’ve never looked at a map before.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously, it sounds like everyone needs to push to stop the transfer of students out of their home pyramid because of AP, language or whatever too. I especially like the kids who are ‘too good’ to play football or field hockey at their base high school so they use cover of a language to get to the school they want to go to. You have to offer something of a solution other than it just can’t happen.

We are fine at our high FARMs school and were never worried about our kid’s education but these BS transfers could have improved our school’s standings and public perception.

Go to school where you live

So, kids should be forced to stay in a school that doesn’t provide the same classes as the school down the road? Making kids stay in their base school isn’t the solution for many kids. Saying that adding more kids will lead to more course offerings isn’t necessarily true. It would depend on the academic level and socioeconomic background of those students. Lewis would need to add a huge number of non-FARMS students and I don’t see that ever happening without a very large and disruptive rezoning. Just let students go where they want if space is available.

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Anonymous wrote:The college rec letter thing is irrelevant. 99% of the letters of recommendation I write are for students I had junior year only. They ask at the end of junior year and I have plenty to write about. Even when I had kids multiple years, I tend to only write about the most recent experiences—that’s the kid colleges are going to get, not the freshman from years ago.

You can oppose the movement for various reasons, but this shouldn’t tip the scales.

Okay- thanks for the info. Not the way it worked for me in high school, but I appreciate knowing that!

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Anonymous wrote:Someone needs to bring this to the attention of Youngkin, Sears, and Miyares. This is a PR goldmine for Republicans wanting to highlight how out-of-touch and despotic the local Democrats have become in NoVa.

I plan to reach out to Youngkin on this soon. It really is such a boon for their party.

I suspect Youngkin will be hesitant to shout "stop the integration of Fairfax County Public Schools" from the rooftops.

Sure, he’ll let it go through and then push for vouchers, which I’ve never supported until this latest SB disaster. I also think this leaves the state ripe for a Prop 13 style limitation on property tax increases, which again, I would never have supported previously, but makes sense where you have such an utterly incompetent board screwing things up so royally.

The republicans can largely sit back and watch this intraparty conflict play out.

Yep, the republicans are political losers in Fairfax county no matter what. Just grab some popcorn and wait to see who gets called a racist.

Republicans will never win here, but if they can tighten margins in Fairfax, they win state wide. If my kids' schools end up worse, I'll happily vote R

Same. And that’s the broader point. A 5-point swing in Fairfax brings Virginia from reliable blue to a swing state. Ironically it could be the National republicans who stand to benefit from this.

Signed, a formerly reliable Fairfax county democrat

It’s really weird that you would make local school board action affect your state and national votes.

Well, I’ve always been willing to pay my fair share to support others. This is different- this is the school board picking specific and significant losers across the country under the guise of busing and sleep time, both absurd reasons (because their lawyer has told them not to discuss equity).

As much as I generally support the Democratic platform, when elected officials take so much from you and your community, it makes you reconsider the stance. At least it made me reconsider. I won’t vote for TFG, but everyone else is on the table. A self-inflicted wound.

So because your school boundaries MIGHT change (remember no changes have been suggested yet - this entire thread is speculation), you would vote R at the state, nationa level and against gun reform, recognizing election results, environmental efforts, women’s rights… wow.

Yep. And that is my right. I am immensely disappointed with the SB and Fairfax democrats who seem to support this approach (or at least are not trying to prevent it). If this ends up on the cutting room floor then I would reconsider, but they’ve lost me if they go thorough with this.

It’s not a MIGHT when school board members are giving timing for operationalizing the policy.

So, you legitimately don’t think that redistricting should ever occur.

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously, it sounds like everyone needs to push to stop the transfer of students out of their home pyramid because of AP, language or whatever too. I especially like the kids who are ‘too good’ to play football or field hockey at their base high school so they use cover of a language to get to the school they want to go to. You have to offer something of a solution other than it just can’t happen.

We are fine at our high FARMs school and were never worried about our kid’s education but these BS transfers could have improved our school’s standings and public perception.

Go to school where you live

So, kids should be forced to stay in a school that doesn’t provide the same classes as the school down the road? Making kids stay in their base school isn’t the solution for many kids. Saying that adding more kids will lead to more course offerings isn’t necessarily true. It would depend on the academic level and socioeconomic background of those students. Lewis would need to add a huge number of non-FARMS students and I don’t see that ever happening without a very large and disruptive rezoning. Just let students go where they want if space is available.

I mean, if they make it rule that all kids need the same access to the same classes. That just gets impossible at some point. What is right for my AAP kid isn’t right for my Immersion kid. And if you are enrolled in the dental career program, you probably aren’t also taking AP CALC BC. I’m REALLY dont even understand what they mean by that statement. Taken literally, all magnet programs are dead.