Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw a CNN headline that said the Navy had indications it imploded on Sunday. Seems like they perished just shy of 2 hours into the journey.

Yeah they knew… the rescue seemed to be smoke and mirrors. Practice I guess.

But I do wonder if they could confirm without sending people in.

They confirmed by sending a robot. They recovered debris that matched the submersible. It took several days to get a device there that could reach such depths.

I'm talking about the navy who knew about the implosion Sunday.

They acted like they were rescuing until the O2 ran out. Then they found debris from the Titan and it was obvious what occurred.

Acting like rescuing is exactly the same as acting like looking for debris, except for not officially stating that they can't prove the passengers are dead.

But PP has a point and James Cameron made the same one: it should never have been done as a rescue. Scrambling planes and boats to search when they KNEW where to look, bringing medical personnel on… ludicrous. They could have confirmed on Monday it was an implosion. They always knew it was. Waiting until 30 minutes after the projected oxygen runout time on Thursday to say “wow guys we just found it!” was stupid. They knew all along it was an implosion event. Mounting an expensive and pointless search was a sham

So why did they do it?

The planes were looking on the surface, if it had succeeded in returning to the surface. The Navy heard a sound, one among many. It could have been them but may have been something else. The 30 minute banging? That was also heard.

Why did they mount a rescue? Because one might have been needed. And also good training for the next time.

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Anonymous wrote:The more I hear about this submersible the more it seems very clear to me that Stockton Rush was either a conman or a madman, and he very obviously misled his passengers as to the safety of the design and fabrication of the Titan - liability waiver be damned. He told one potential passenger who ultimately decided not to go that it was ‘as safe as crossing the street.’

The irony of this event is nearly as crushing as the psi endured by that submersible, and it pains to see how little man progresses.

The fact he was on the submersible makes me think the latter. If he were truly a con man, I don’t think he would have gotten on a real deep dive himself. Also, it’s not a very good con if you know there is a high likelihood of eventually blowing up your customer base.

I think he really just overestimated his own intelligence and wanted to build a reputation as somewhat of a maverick.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

Cameron one of the most experienced submarine builders and pilots in the world, with dozens of deep sea dives. The Titanic movie was a fundraiser for his submarining operation.

It is usually the least accomplished people who mock the credentials of high achievers.

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Who is mocking James Cameron? The fact is, he is a Hollywood director, not a certified and trained and formally educated engineer. Does he spend most of his time and life on engineering or on directing movies? Bob Ballard didn't speak as much as James Cameron in the interview. He's the engineer.

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Anonymous wrote:The more I hear about this submersible the more it seems very clear to me that Stockton Rush was either a conman or a madman, and he very obviously misled his passengers as to the safety of the design and fabrication of the Titan - liability waiver be damned. He told one potential passenger who ultimately decided not to go that it was ‘as safe as crossing the street.’

The irony of this event is nearly as crushing as the psi endured by that submersible, and it pains to see how little man progresses.

1000% agree.

I'm going with madman. A conman wouldn't risk himself if he truly understood the thing to be a deathtrap. That's the craziest part to me. He knew it wasn't safe and got in the thing himself.

He was probably wealthy, privileged, educated, and a genius. Look at his education. He was used to being the smartest guy in the room and also very used to taking crazy risks. He put too much faith in himself, I think.

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Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

No.

He’s an expert because he has dived to Titanic 33 times and has co-designed the sub that went the deepest anyone has ever gone, 7 miles down in the Mariana Trench. Which he went into alone because he is not an idiot willing to risk others’ lives.

READ SOMETHING. Stop just tossing out links without attempting to learn something.

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Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

That seems worse than no warning. If you aren’t warned in time to do anything about it, then may as well implode with no notice.

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Why why why would Nageolet get on this thing?

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw a CNN headline that said the Navy had indications it imploded on Sunday. Seems like they perished just shy of 2 hours into the journey.

Yeah they knew… the rescue seemed to be smoke and mirrors. Practice I guess.

But I do wonder if they could confirm without sending people in.

They confirmed by sending a robot. They recovered debris that matched the submersible. It took several days to get a device there that could reach such depths.

I'm talking about the navy who knew about the implosion Sunday.

They acted like they were rescuing until the O2 ran out. Then they found debris from the Titan and it was obvious what occurred.

Acting like rescuing is exactly the same as acting like looking for debris, except for not officially stating that they can't prove the passengers are dead.

But PP has a point and James Cameron made the same one: it should never have been done as a rescue. Scrambling planes and boats to search when they KNEW where to look, bringing medical personnel on… ludicrous. They could have confirmed on Monday it was an implosion. They always knew it was. Waiting until 30 minutes after the projected oxygen runout time on Thursday to say “wow guys we just found it!” was stupid. They knew all along it was an implosion event. Mounting an expensive and pointless search was a sham

A. Ery good training event for the searchers and a call for more of those rov robots

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

No.

He’s an expert because he has dived to Titanic 33 times and has co-designed the sub that went the deepest anyone has ever gone, 7 miles down in the Mariana Trench. Which he went into alone because he is not an idiot willing to risk others’ lives.

READ SOMETHING. Stop just tossing out links without attempting to learn something.

I don't believe that makes James Cameron an expert engineer. If someone has taken more than 33 Royal Caribbean cruises, does that make him qualified to be an engineer shipbuilder? And co-designing a submersible is not the same as being the engineer who designs it. It's like having a ghost writer who writes everything for you. And a submersible is not the same as a submarine.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

Maybe they made changes or developed a more sensitive warning system (that provided at least enough notice to release ballast) between that 5 year old lawsuit and now. Not defending them or their death trap as it obviously was still unsafe.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

No.

He’s an expert because he has dived to Titanic 33 times and has co-designed the sub that went the deepest anyone has ever gone, 7 miles down in the Mariana Trench. Which he went into alone because he is not an idiot willing to risk others’ lives.

READ SOMETHING. Stop just tossing out links without attempting to learn something.

I don't believe that makes James Cameron an expert engineer. If someone has taken more than 33 Royal Caribbean cruises, does that make him qualified to be an engineer shipbuilder? And co-designing a submersible is not the same as being the engineer who designs it. It's like having a ghost writer who writes everything for you. And a submersible is not the same as a submarine.

You don’t have to be an engineer to have relevant knowledge, far exceeding that of the general population, about this situation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

No.

He’s an expert because he has dived to Titanic 33 times and has co-designed the sub that went the deepest anyone has ever gone, 7 miles down in the Mariana Trench. Which he went into alone because he is not an idiot willing to risk others’ lives.

READ SOMETHING. Stop just tossing out links without attempting to learn something.

I don't believe that makes James Cameron an expert engineer. If someone has taken more than 33 Royal Caribbean cruises, does that make him qualified to be an engineer shipbuilder? And co-designing a submersible is not the same as being the engineer who designs it. It's like having a ghost writer who writes everything for you. And a submersible is not the same as a submarine.

You don’t have to be an engineer to have relevant knowledge, far exceeding that of the general population, about this situation.

He speaks with authority on the subject. That is true. There are probably actual engineers who aren't as famous who know more. No one is mocking James Cameron. He tends to come off as very arrogant. LoL. The Coast Guard most likely follows protocol for search and rescue. I doubt the Coast Guard was trying to make a big production out of this event.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

No.

He’s an expert because he has dived to Titanic 33 times and has co-designed the sub that went the deepest anyone has ever gone, 7 miles down in the Mariana Trench. Which he went into alone because he is not an idiot willing to risk others’ lives.

READ SOMETHING. Stop just tossing out links without attempting to learn something.

I don't believe that makes James Cameron an expert engineer. If someone has taken more than 33 Royal Caribbean cruises, does that make him qualified to be an engineer shipbuilder? And co-designing a submersible is not the same as being the engineer who designs it. It's like having a ghost writer who writes everything for you. And a submersible is not the same as a submarine.

You don’t have to be an engineer to have relevant knowledge, far exceeding that of the general population, about this situation.

He speaks with authority on the subject. That is true. There are probably actual engineers who aren't as famous who know more. No one is mocking James Cameron. He tends to come off as very arrogant. LoL. The Coast Guard most likely follows protocol for search and rescue. I doubt the Coast Guard was trying to make a big production out of this event.

+1. The Navy reported, what, that they heard a boom in the general vicinity that would be consistent with an implosion? Is the Coast Guard supposed to take that info and say, whelp, that's the end of that" and not try to confirm what they believed happened?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

No.

He’s an expert because he has dived to Titanic 33 times and has co-designed the sub that went the deepest anyone has ever gone, 7 miles down in the Mariana Trench. Which he went into alone because he is not an idiot willing to risk others’ lives.

READ SOMETHING. Stop just tossing out links without attempting to learn something.

I don't believe that makes James Cameron an expert engineer. If someone has taken more than 33 Royal Caribbean cruises, does that make him qualified to be an engineer shipbuilder? And co-designing a submersible is not the same as being the engineer who designs it. It's like having a ghost writer who writes everything for you. And a submersible is not the same as a submarine.

If someone has gone on 33 Caribbean cruises I would deem them an expert on Caribbean cruises and I’d ask them their opinion on them - kind of like what’s happening here