Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

[Anonymous]

mythbusters already did something like this, used real pig parts in a dive suit at 135psi, the results are horrifying - entire "body" was crushed into a pink goo that simply filled the helmet. And the titanic depth would be 5,600-6,000psi
https://twitter.com/ChudsOfTikTok/status/1671980004953956360

I keep hearing reporters ask about bodies, well.

This is the effect on a “a human shaped dummy made of pig parts w/ bones muscle fat skin & mid section of guts.” at 135psi in comparison, the depths of the titanic would be around an implosion at 5,600-6,000psi.

Thanks mythbusters?

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

Cameron one of the most experienced submarine builders and pilots in the world, with dozens of deep sea dives. The Titanic movie was a fundraiser for his submarining operation.

It is usually the least accomplished people who mock the credentials of high achievers.

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Who is mocking James Cameron? The fact is, he is a Hollywood director, not a certified and trained and formally educated engineer. Does he spend most of his time and life on engineering or on directing movies? Bob Ballard didn't speak as much as James Cameron in the interview. He's the engineer.

I’m pretty sure in real time hours James Cameron has spent more time deep sea diving and planning deep sea dives and designing and overseeing the building of deep sea submersibles than he has spent directing films.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

Or he was trying to slow the descent. I don't think we know which.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why why why would Nageolet get on this thing?

I was wondering this as well. The other 4 I understand, sort of, but seems like Nageolet would know better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

Cameron one of the most experienced submarine builders and pilots in the world, with dozens of deep sea dives. The Titanic movie was a fundraiser for his submarining operation.

It is usually the least accomplished people who mock the credentials of high achievers.

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Who is mocking James Cameron? The fact is, he is a Hollywood director, not a certified and trained and formally educated engineer. Does he spend most of his time and life on engineering or on directing movies? Bob Ballard didn't speak as much as James Cameron in the interview. He's the engineer.

No, he’s not. He’s a geologist & geophysicist.

People with decades of hands-on experience can certainly be “experts” in a field without an engineering degree.

- engineer

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Anonymous wrote:Why why why would Nageolet get on this thing?

I was wondering this as well. The other 4 I understand, sort of, but seems like Nageolet would know better.

Some people are thrill junkies.

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Anonymous wrote:Why why why would Nageolet get on this thing?

I was wondering this as well. The other 4 I understand, sort of, but seems like Nageolet would know better.

That's what I don't understand, too. It seems like everyone in the deep sea world knew this outfit was a disaster. He must have known. Were they paying him so much he couldn't say no - or had he gotten cavalier about deep sea safety? Or - what could have made him say yes to this?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

Maybe they made changes or developed a more sensitive warning system (that provided at least enough notice to release ballast) between that 5 year old lawsuit and now. Not defending them or their death trap as it obviously was still unsafe.

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I can't, and don't, believe anyone would entrust their life to a warning system that only gave an alert a millisecond before disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

Maybe they made changes or developed a more sensitive warning system (that provided at least enough notice to release ballast) between that 5 year old lawsuit and now. Not defending them or their death trap as it obviously was still unsafe.

The problem is, weaknesses to the hull need to be detected before the vessel goes on a mission. Take an empty soda can, and stand on it. The thing will most likely support your weight. Now add a small dent to the side and it will crush instantly. At those depths, the opportunities for correction are almost futile, and the CEO is on the record stating such.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

Maybe they made changes or developed a more sensitive warning system (that provided at least enough notice to release ballast) between that 5 year old lawsuit and now. Not defending them or their death trap as it obviously was still unsafe.

The problem is, weaknesses to the hull need to be detected before the vessel goes on a mission. Take an empty soda can, and stand on it. The thing will most likely support your weight. Now add a small dent to the side and it will crush instantly. At those depths, the opportunities for correction are almost futile, and the CEO is on the record stating such.

In what world will an empty soda can sustain a normal person's weight wut?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

Maybe they made changes or developed a more sensitive warning system (that provided at least enough notice to release ballast) between that 5 year old lawsuit and now. Not defending them or their death trap as it obviously was still unsafe.

The problem is, weaknesses to the hull need to be detected before the vessel goes on a mission. Take an empty soda can, and stand on it. The thing will most likely support your weight. Now add a small dent to the side and it will crush instantly. At those depths, the opportunities for correction are almost futile, and the CEO is on the record stating such.

They never tested this thing to failure, so they don't know how many dives it's good for before the hull becomes to weak to withstand the pressure. Looks like 1 or 2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

Maybe they made changes or developed a more sensitive warning system (that provided at least enough notice to release ballast) between that 5 year old lawsuit and now. Not defending them or their death trap as it obviously was still unsafe.

The problem is, weaknesses to the hull need to be detected before the vessel goes on a mission. Take an empty soda can, and stand on it. The thing will most likely support your weight. Now add a small dent to the side and it will crush instantly. At those depths, the opportunities for correction are almost futile, and the CEO is on the record stating such.

In what world will an empty soda can sustain a normal person's weight wut?

I’m just looked it up and PP is correct. There is even a YouTube of a guy standing on one for a few seconds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why why why would Nageolet get on this thing?

I was wondering this as well. The other 4 I understand, sort of, but seems like Nageolet would know better.

That's what I don't understand, too. It seems like everyone in the deep sea world knew this outfit was a disaster. He must have known. Were they paying him so much he couldn't say no - or had he gotten cavalier about deep sea safety? Or - what could have made him say yes to this?

To be fair to Nageolet:

- this submersible had made successful trips to the Titanic previously, and

- he had the money, and

- there are not many opportunities to visit the wreck, and

- every trip that deep involves SOME risk.

Maybe the lesson here is:

- titanium/aluminum alloys probably weaken over time; and maybe carbon fiber too.

- why bother with these exotic materials when we have over a century of experience with steel deep-diving submarines?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

But hasn't it also been reported that the hull monitoring system would only provide about a second's warning? IIRC, that was one of the whistleblower's criticisms (the former employee who was fired).

Maybe they made changes or developed a more sensitive warning system (that provided at least enough notice to release ballast) between that 5 year old lawsuit and now. Not defending them or their death trap as it obviously was still unsafe.

The problem is, weaknesses to the hull need to be detected before the vessel goes on a mission. Take an empty soda can, and stand on it. The thing will most likely support your weight. Now add a small dent to the side and it will crush instantly. At those depths, the opportunities for correction are almost futile, and the CEO is on the record stating such.

In what world will an empty soda can sustain a normal person's weight wut?

I’m just looked it up and PP is correct. There is even a YouTube of a guy standing on one for a few seconds.

"The thing will most likely support your weight" is not the same as someone can manage to stand on it for a few seconds in an out of the ordinary situation. This is what usually happens when a normal person tries to stand on an empty soda can:

. (Spoiler alert: crushed within miliseconds.)

[Anonymous]

I just read an article online where Mythbusters did an experiment using a dummy to see what actually happens to a human body after an implosion & it isn’t pretty.

Will spare details here but I highly doubt there will be a focus on recovering any bodies.
Already the news channels are not even mentioning this subject as a primary focus as it will be literally impossible to do.

The loved ones left behind must be in such grief - - I pray they somehow find peace in knowing that death here was likely swift and painless.

Space exploration has had its share of tragedies yet improvements have been made historically in the way things have changed.
We have learned so much over time and I am confident the same will be true regarding sea exploration.

None of these five perished died in vain.
There will always be people in the world who will feel the need to expand our boundaries and see what else is out there.

Right now people who are brave enough to venture into the unknown (regarding the sea floor) are being criticized for their actions just as astronauts once were but as time goes on people will be regarding them heroically in the same breath that they regard Sally Ride and Buzz Aldrin.