Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Finally this story got the attention + coverage it deserved.

As well as the empathy.
Just because those lost at sea were billionaires, that didn’t mean the value (no pun) of their lives were any less.
These people were still human beings as all of us are.

They were parents, sons, spouses, etc.
They were someone’s good friend.

And they should never have been faulted for being adventurous & curious.
We do not place blame on astronauts who risk their lives by venturing into outer space…..
Look at how the Challenger’s last crew is remembered as being noble and brave.

Exploring the perimeters of our world takes courage - an excess amount of it.
Kudos to those w/the bravery to do so because their bravery allows the rest of us to learn more about the world we all are a part of.
And the images we are given from their adventures are truly breathtaking as well as priceless.

R.I.P. to all the five, very brave souls that were lost in this tragedy.
And may their legacy be remembered fondly. 🕊️

But this wasn't "exploring the perimeters of our world" - people have been to the Titanic before. James Cameron has been there something like three dozen times. Not a lot of people have gotten to go this deep, but they weren't about to make findings that no one else has seen, and to heck with safety.

Yes, they were recording the disintegration of the ship. We are using video from their trip in 2022 to compare to previous images to see the changes that are occurring. This information is being used to estimate the end of the Titanic, which could be as soon as 2030. That's science, not just tourism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

Cameron one of the most experienced submarine builders and pilots in the world, with dozens of deep sea dives. The Titanic movie was a fundraiser for his submarining operation.

It is usually the least accomplished people who mock the credentials of high achievers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

He's an expert because he has made dozens and dozens of deep sea dives, including to three times the depth of the Titanic in the Mariana Trench.

[Anonymous]

I think the problem is if they had stopped searching and the submersible was later found floating on the surface with everyone inside suffocated to death.... that would be awful. Extremely unlikely, but still awful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw a CNN headline that said the Navy had indications it imploded on Sunday. Seems like they perished just shy of 2 hours into the journey.

Yeah they knew… the rescue seemed to be smoke and mirrors. Practice I guess.

But I do wonder if they could confirm without sending people in.

They confirmed by sending a robot. They recovered debris that matched the submersible. It took several days to get a device there that could reach such depths.

I'm talking about the navy who knew about the implosion Sunday.

They acted like they were rescuing until the O2 ran out. Then they found debris from the Titan and it was obvious what occurred.

Acting like rescuing is exactly the same as acting like looking for debris, except for not officially stating that they can't prove the passengers are dead.

But PP has a point and James Cameron made the same one: it should never have been done as a rescue. Scrambling planes and boats to search when they KNEW where to look, bringing medical personnel on… ludicrous. They could have confirmed on Monday it was an implosion. They always knew it was. Waiting until 30 minutes after the projected oxygen runout time on Thursday to say “wow guys we just found it!” was stupid. They knew all along it was an implosion event. Mounting an expensive and pointless search was a sham

+100. They had us all doing an oxygen countdown when they knew the people were long dead. It's equivalent to the husband who kills his wife yet participates in the search to find the missing spouse :roll:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Finally this story got the attention + coverage it deserved.

As well as the empathy.
Just because those lost at sea were billionaires, that didn’t mean the value (no pun) of their lives were any less.
These people were still human beings as all of us are.

They were parents, sons, spouses, etc.
They were someone’s good friend.

And they should never have been faulted for being adventurous & curious.
We do not place blame on astronauts who risk their lives by venturing into outer space…..
Look at how the Challenger’s last crew is remembered as being noble and brave.

Exploring the perimeters of our world takes courage - an excess amount of it.
Kudos to those w/the bravery to do so because their bravery allows the rest of us to learn more about the world we all are a part of.
And the images we are given from their adventures are truly breathtaking as well as priceless.

R.I.P. to all the five, very brave souls that were lost in this tragedy.
And may their legacy be remembered fondly. 🕊️

But this wasn't "exploring the perimeters of our world" - people have been to the Titanic before. James Cameron has been there something like three dozen times. Not a lot of people have gotten to go this deep, but they weren't about to make findings that no one else has seen, and to heck with safety.

Yes, they were recording the disintegration of the ship. We are using video from their trip in 2022 to compare to previous images to see the changes that are occurring. This information is being used to estimate the end of the Titanic, which could be as soon as 2030. That's science, not just tourism.

Why can’t they use an unmanned vehicle to take pictures?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Finally this story got the attention + coverage it deserved.

As well as the empathy.
Just because those lost at sea were billionaires, that didn’t mean the value (no pun) of their lives were any less.
These people were still human beings as all of us are.

They were parents, sons, spouses, etc.
They were someone’s good friend.

And they should never have been faulted for being adventurous & curious.
We do not place blame on astronauts who risk their lives by venturing into outer space…..
Look at how the Challenger’s last crew is remembered as being noble and brave.

Exploring the perimeters of our world takes courage - an excess amount of it.
Kudos to those w/the bravery to do so because their bravery allows the rest of us to learn more about the world we all are a part of.
And the images we are given from their adventures are truly breathtaking as well as priceless.

R.I.P. to all the five, very brave souls that were lost in this tragedy.
And may their legacy be remembered fondly. 🕊️

But this wasn't "exploring the perimeters of our world" - people have been to the Titanic before. James Cameron has been there something like three dozen times. Not a lot of people have gotten to go this deep, but they weren't about to make findings that no one else has seen, and to heck with safety.

Yes, they were recording the disintegration of the ship. We are using video from their trip in 2022 to compare to previous images to see the changes that are occurring. This information is being used to estimate the end of the Titanic, which could be as soon as 2030. That's science, not just tourism.

Why can’t they use an unmanned vehicle to take pictures?

They can and do. Rush was using tourist fee money to fund his trips down there to do his research. Oceangate is NOT the only institution doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Finally this story got the attention + coverage it deserved.

As well as the empathy.
Just because those lost at sea were billionaires, that didn’t mean the value (no pun) of their lives were any less.
These people were still human beings as all of us are.

They were parents, sons, spouses, etc.
They were someone’s good friend.

And they should never have been faulted for being adventurous & curious.
We do not place blame on astronauts who risk their lives by venturing into outer space…..
Look at how the Challenger’s last crew is remembered as being noble and brave.

Exploring the perimeters of our world takes courage - an excess amount of it.
Kudos to those w/the bravery to do so because their bravery allows the rest of us to learn more about the world we all are a part of.
And the images we are given from their adventures are truly breathtaking as well as priceless.

R.I.P. to all the five, very brave souls that were lost in this tragedy.
And may their legacy be remembered fondly. 🕊️

But this wasn't "exploring the perimeters of our world" - people have been to the Titanic before. James Cameron has been there something like three dozen times. Not a lot of people have gotten to go this deep, but they weren't about to make findings that no one else has seen, and to heck with safety.

Yes, they were recording the disintegration of the ship. We are using video from their trip in 2022 to compare to previous images to see the changes that are occurring. This information is being used to estimate the end of the Titanic, which could be as soon as 2030. That's science, not just tourism.

Why can’t they use an unmanned vehicle to take pictures?

Because unmanned subs cannot take “Mission Specialists” along with them for $250,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just saw a CNN headline that said the Navy had indications it imploded on Sunday. Seems like they perished just shy of 2 hours into the journey.

Yeah they knew… the rescue seemed to be smoke and mirrors. Practice I guess.

But I do wonder if they could confirm without sending people in.

They confirmed by sending a robot. They recovered debris that matched the submersible. It took several days to get a device there that could reach such depths.

I'm talking about the navy who knew about the implosion Sunday.

They acted like they were rescuing until the O2 ran out. Then they found debris from the Titan and it was obvious what occurred.

Acting like rescuing is exactly the same as acting like looking for debris, except for not officially stating that they can't prove the passengers are dead.

But PP has a point and James Cameron made the same one: it should never have been done as a rescue. Scrambling planes and boats to search when they KNEW where to look, bringing medical personnel on… ludicrous. They could have confirmed on Monday it was an implosion. They always knew it was. Waiting until 30 minutes after the projected oxygen runout time on Thursday to say “wow guys we just found it!” was stupid. They knew all along it was an implosion event. Mounting an expensive and pointless search was a sham

+100. They had us all doing an oxygen countdown when they knew the people were long dead. It's equivalent to the husband who kills his wife yet participates in the search to find the missing spouse :roll:

Wow. Now you're accusing the Coast Guard, or maybe the enthralled general public, of murdering the Titan. Just wow.

[Anonymous]

A Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer with 8 to 9 years of experience must work more than 4 years to earn the $250K one passenger paid to Richard Stockton Rush III, a descendant of Standard Oil tycoons for one trip on the OceanGate deathtrap.

As someone who comes from a family of first responders, my heart goes out to the family of the Coast Guard men and women who are putting their lives at risk. Taxpayer funded to recover the losses of these narcissistic people.

It's really disheartening that they have nothing better to do with their time and money. They could have just watched the movie Titanic for 10th time.

I guess it goes to show that even rich people need to have purpose in their lives.

If they really wanted a purpose in their lives, they could have done so much with that money. To most people in the U.S., and in the rest of the world, $250K is not an insignificant amount of money.

When you use the name Richard Stockton Rush III, it does remind me of Thurston Howell III on Gilligan's Island.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not read all 126 pages.

Do they know what day the implosion occurred? Do they think the people suffered?

So sad.

I doubt they did. It's possible they heard some creaking sounds as the vessel gave up.

They didn’t “know” in the sense that once the implosion happened it happened so fast your brain literally couldn’t process it. But they did know they were descending too quickly and risking implosion or that they had an incursion of water in the hulk risking implosion because they were releasing ballast before they had reached the bottom and begun ascent. So they had warnings that they were in danger which is why they attempted to release ballast and either slow descent or begin assent before actually reaching Titanic. At a minimum, Rush and Nageolet knew they were in a dangerous situation in the minutes leading up to the implosion.

Where did you hear they descended too quickly.

This guy's supposition is wrong. They released ballast just before the implosion because the Titan had sensors on the hull that indicated the carbon fiber was failing so the pilot was trying to return to the surface before it failed. James Cameron has talked about that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just saw a CNN headline that said the Navy had indications it imploded on Sunday. Seems like they perished just shy of 2 hours into the journey.

Yeah they knew… the rescue seemed to be smoke and mirrors. Practice I guess.

But I do wonder if they could confirm without sending people in.

They confirmed by sending a robot. They recovered debris that matched the submersible. It took several days to get a device there that could reach such depths.

I'm talking about the navy who knew about the implosion Sunday.

They acted like they were rescuing until the O2 ran out. Then they found debris from the Titan and it was obvious what occurred.

Acting like rescuing is exactly the same as acting like looking for debris, except for not officially stating that they can't prove the passengers are dead.

But PP has a point and James Cameron made the same one: it should never have been done as a rescue. Scrambling planes and boats to search when they KNEW where to look, bringing medical personnel on… ludicrous. They could have confirmed on Monday it was an implosion. They always knew it was. Waiting until 30 minutes after the projected oxygen runout time on Thursday to say “wow guys we just found it!” was stupid. They knew all along it was an implosion event. Mounting an expensive and pointless search was a sham

So why did they do it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just saw a CNN headline that said the Navy had indications it imploded on Sunday. Seems like they perished just shy of 2 hours into the journey.

Yeah they knew… the rescue seemed to be smoke and mirrors. Practice I guess.

But I do wonder if they could confirm without sending people in.

They confirmed by sending a robot. They recovered debris that matched the submersible. It took several days to get a device there that could reach such depths.

I'm talking about the navy who knew about the implosion Sunday.

They acted like they were rescuing until the O2 ran out. Then they found debris from the Titan and it was obvious what occurred.

Acting like rescuing is exactly the same as acting like looking for debris, except for not officially stating that they can't prove the passengers are dead.

The Coast Guard probably follows protocol to do a rescue first if they have wreckage or bodies. They'll also saying now that they will try to recover bodies, when they know there are no bodies.

But PP has a point and James Cameron made the same one: it should never have been done as a rescue. Scrambling planes and boats to search when they KNEW where to look, bringing medical personnel on… ludicrous. They could have confirmed on Monday it was an implosion. They always knew it was. Waiting until 30 minutes after the projected oxygen runout time on Thursday to say “wow guys we just found it!” was stupid. They knew all along it was an implosion event. Mounting an expensive and pointless search was a sham

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you think of James Cameron speaking about this? Is he an exert because he filmed the movie Titanic?

Cameron one of the most experienced submarine builders and pilots in the world, with dozens of deep sea dives. The Titanic movie was a fundraiser for his submarining operation.

It is usually the least accomplished people who mock the credentials of high achievers.

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