Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread

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jsteele wrote:

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Lol. You have no idea how much he did or didn’t drink. This whole thing is bullshit. He’s qualified and will be confirmed.

can't believe you're a real person

I am and a woman and a Democrat who voted for Hillary. Also a lawyer. This campaign is transparently political and the allegations are drafted to be vague guilt-by-association nonsense with timing that is ridiculously and transparently politically-motivated. It’s a campaign to discredit him based on him being at parties where bad things may have happened. You are a sheep and a part of the brainless mob for believing this stuff.

sorry, don't believe you

What the Hillary-voting poster says is essentially true and I don't why people are not believing her. Where I differ with the poster is that what she describes is a bad thing. She obviously favors a totally fact-based legalistic approach. I don't think the Republicans in the Senate care about facts and facts would be lost on them. So, while a legalistic approach might be honorable, it would also be a failure. The one way to defeat Kavanaugh it to do so politically. If that means "guilt-by-association" wherein the association is with gang-rape, I am perfectly comfortable with that. If Kavanaugh wants to admit to teenage indiscretions, so be it. But, lying about it makes him unfit for the court.

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to spike girls' drinks in order for them to gang raped by other boys even if you don't do the raping yourself.

"I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could be 'gang raped' in a side room or bedroom by a 'train' of numerous boys."

This isn't just "they were at the same parties".

Lawyer-woman-Hillary-supporter here. That sentence is such legalese and basically could mean she saw him pour women a drink!!! This is lawyer bullshit, people!

Signed,
A lawyer!

I get what you're saying LWHS. But here's the bottom line, what this shows is that Kavanaugh was one of 'those guys' or at MINIMUM went along with hanging out and being friends with 'those guys' without much moral qualms at all. The Blasey Ford story is VERY similar to this and shows that casual treatment of women's bodies was par for the course for this group. That is what the Yale story says too.

Am I sure Kavanaugh put roofies in girls drinks and raped them in HS? No. Am I pretty confident he knew guys who did and still did keg stands with them at Beach Week and maintained friendships with them for the rest of his life? Yes. Does that mean he's a criminal who should go to jail? Probably not. But does it disqualify him for a seat on the highest court in the land? Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of terrible crap happened among high school students in the 1980s. And I can see many posters on this thread reliving their memories or the gossip they exchanged. And it's clear that many of the posters' reaction to Ford's allegation is because they want to believe this assault happened so that a perpetrator can finally be visibly punished, in revenge for all the unpunished rapes that happened 30+ years ago.

I'm very sympathetic to the desire, really, I am. However, it remains that this is still just an unproven allegation with very weak support for it. The simple fact is that a woman came forward with an allegation of a sexual assault, which is not proof in itself. The fact is that all the witnesses she named being present have refused to corroborate her and all have said the party did not happen. The simple fact is that the victim cannot remember the house where the assault happened, despite remembering the other witnesses. The simple fact is that there are small details in the victim's allegation that are not consistent with what she first told her therapist several years ago. Those are what we have. If I am to judge Kavanaugh, it is by those facts, not because there was a lot of unreported rapes 35 years ago or because Kavanaugh had a history of drinking a lot and being a bit lewd.

Oh honey, you really need to catch up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of terrible crap happened among high school students in the 1980s. And I can see many posters on this thread reliving their memories or the gossip they exchanged. And it's clear that many of the posters' reaction to Ford's allegation is because they want to believe this assault happened so that a perpetrator can finally be visibly punished, in revenge for all the unpunished rapes that happened 30+ years ago.

I'm very sympathetic to the desire, really, I am. However, it remains that this is still just an unproven allegation with very weak support for it. The simple fact is that a woman came forward with an allegation of a sexual assault, which is not proof in itself. The fact is that all the witnesses she named being present have refused to corroborate her and all have said the party did not happen. The simple fact is that the victim cannot remember the house where the assault happened, despite remembering the other witnesses. The simple fact is that there are small details in the victim's allegation that are not consistent with what she first told her therapist several years ago. Those are what we have. If I am to judge Kavanaugh, it is by those facts, not because there was a lot of unreported rapes 35 years ago or because Kavanaugh had a history of drinking a lot and being a bit lewd.

Keep up. Dr. Ford is yesterday's news at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So did this girl say why she went to parties with these guys who gang raped girls and decided to continue partying with them?

Because she was a teenager? Were you ever a teenager?

In answer to your question, no, the affidavit doesn't address that question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So did this girl say why she went to parties with these guys who gang raped girls and decided to continue partying with them?

Anyone???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So did this girl say why she went to parties with these guys who gang raped girls and decided to continue partying with them?

Because she was a teenager? Were you ever a teenager?

In answer to your question, no, the affidavit doesn't address that question.

Yes, I was a teenager and if I saw guys gang raping a girl there's no way in hell I would choose to go to parties with them.

[Anonymous]

I think that Kavanaugh will not only lose this but also lose his job.

This isn't a trial and the women do NOT have to ask for criminal charges to be filed to come forward and speak against him.

He is unfit for the supreme court. When there are accusations about crimes this serious, you are unfit.

I'm sorry but even clarence thomas was not this bad.

I would like to see the republican party women have a round table and say with straight faces that drugging drinks and gang rape is okay.

[Anonymous]

There are a lot of very nervous people who grew up in Montgomery County. This new person is making it sound like all the boys were gang rapists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So did this girl say why she went to parties with these guys who gang raped girls and decided to continue partying with them?

Because she was a teenager? Were you ever a teenager?

In answer to your question, no, the affidavit doesn't address that question.

Yes, I was a teenager and if I saw guys gang raping a girl there's no way in hell I would choose to go to parties with them.

There you go. You would make different choices than she did. Does that make her a liar, or an idiot, or just a different person than you?

[jsteele]

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Lol. You have no idea how much he did or didn’t drink. This whole thing is bullshit. He’s qualified and will be confirmed.

can't believe you're a real person

I am and a woman and a Democrat who voted for Hillary. Also a lawyer. This campaign is transparently political and the allegations are drafted to be vague guilt-by-association nonsense with timing that is ridiculously and transparently politically-motivated. It’s a campaign to discredit him based on him being at parties where bad things may have happened. You are a sheep and a part of the brainless mob for believing this stuff.

sorry, don't believe you

LMAO. Go ask Jeff to check my IP. I posted tons in favor of Hillary. Is it really so unbelievable that I can think for my damn self and see that this campaign is vague and baseless. I’m a woman who can think for herself, thank you very much. I read and think critically and can see this latest #metoo campaign for what it is.

This poster asked other posters to ask me to check the poster's IP address. Two posters asked. So I checked and this poster has claimed to be a Hillary supporter in the past. However, the poster also claims to have been impressed by the Jordan Peterson videos and to have "seen the light" as a result. The poster also support the "Walk Away" movement which doesn't really exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a high school and college student in a similar prep school UMC environment and schools in the early 1980s and I find this completely believable. In my mid-size southern town there were these types of house parties every weekend at the homes of rich kids whose parents were away for the weekend. I find it entirely believable that a girl from a local public school would be treated differently (and as prey) by boys in this social class from the way the boys would treat girls who went to sister private schools.

This is exactly what I have been saying - the girls in their social circle, girls at Visi and Stone Ridge, who signed the letter attesting to his good charater, were part of his set, and he and his friends would have been on their best behavior around those girls. Those girls' parents were friends with his parents, they all belonged to the same country club - Columbia - attended the same churches and they would have been off limits for this behavior. A Holton girl, and especially a public school girl, would have been seen as outsiders, girls whose families were unknown and therefore fair game. This is all so predictable and soo sooo sad for these women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So did this girl say why she went to parties with these guys who gang raped girls and decided to continue partying with them?

Anyone???

The Senate should call her to testify and then Orrin Hatch can ask her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I don't get about people who claim this is some democratic conspiracy... how would they decide who draws the short stick to be one of the handful of women who makes an accusation and has to take the barrage of criticism and loss of privacy for the rest of their lives?

Only thing I can imagine would motivate a woman to cause such turmoil for herself and her family is seeking justice and exposing the truth

Let me introduce you to the radical notion that some women like attention and especially like being the “brave” savior who will take down the Trump agenda. It’s really not that hard to fathom. Especially with all the rhetoric about this nomination being the end of Roe v. Wade and onset of Gillead.

[Anonymous]

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Um what, how do you force feed women alcohol?!?!

You are a stupid person

Read the source

"During the years 1981-82, I became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to "spike" the "punch" at house parties I attended with drugs and/or grain alcohol so as to cause girls to lose their inhibitions and their ability to say "No." "

I read a reference to the spiked drinks yesterday by another woman. Kavanaugh and Judge called it jungle juice.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

This poster asked other posters to ask me to check the poster's IP address. Two posters asked. So I checked and this poster has claimed to be a Hillary supporter in the past. However, the poster also claims to have been impressed by the Jordan Peterson videos and to have "seen the light" as a result. The poster also support the "Walk Away" movement which doesn't really exist.

Thanks again