Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread

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Everyone should be very careful reading these statements. Avenetti is a smart lawyer and so wording is deliberate and important. The statement stops short of saying that she was raped by Kavanaugh and/or Judge. It also stops short of saying she witnessed them raping someoen elase.

What it does state is horrifying enough - that Judge and Kavanaugh were involved in attempts to groom women for sexual assault and appear to have been involved in a conspiracy to commit rape.

Please note - I am not disputing this woman, but it’s important not to mischaracterize what she is saying, mischaracterizations that are later shot down are the basis of undermining women’s claims, enabling people to say she is lying.

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I don't read this as saying she was raped *specifically by Kavanaugh or Judge*, but that they were at the parties and were part of the culture there. All of which is gross - but is not the same as saying Kavanaugh himself is a rapist. More than he was part of a disgusting and entitled group of boys, some of whom raped.

I worry about Avenetti. On the one hand, he seemed to do right by Stormy. But he does seem to be acting a little bit clever here. I believe this woman that girls were raped at these parties, and that Kavanaugh and Judge were at the parties where girls were raped. I worry that Avenetti is trying to imply Kavanaugh did the raping without coming out and saying so.

Stop worrying about Avenatti and start worrying about the country where a legitimate political party is willing to sit a lifetime justice on SC who happens to be complicit in gang-rape. Yes, Kavanaugh was complicit. This is disgusting - your gas-lighting is reprehensible.

Settle down. I am on your side, ok? I do worry about Avenatti - and I'm not f*cking gaslighting or concern trolling. I'm allowed to think two thoughts at once: That Kavanaugh is a POS who should not be confirmed, and that there's something about Avenatti that gives me pause.

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I don't read this as saying she was raped *specifically by Kavanaugh or Judge*, but that they were at the parties and were part of the culture there. All of which is gross - but is not the same as saying Kavanaugh himself is a rapist. More than he was part of a disgusting and entitled group of boys, some of whom raped.

I worry about Avenetti. On the one hand, he seemed to do right by Stormy. But he does seem to be acting a little bit clever here. I believe this woman that girls were raped at these parties, and that Kavanaugh and Judge were at the parties where girls were raped. I worry that Avenetti is trying to imply Kavanaugh did the raping without coming out and saying so.

Agree we must be precise, but her statement DOES say she saw Kavanaugh and Judge spiking punch and things of that nature, in addition to the actual sexual harassment of female peers at those parties, so it's pretty bad whether or not he actually raped them.

Did you read the statement? She in fact did say she was a victim of this type of gang rape. Kavanagh was the instigator. How can you not read this and assume now he is innocent??? Unbelievable.

I don't think he's innocent - the statement does NOT say she was raped BY Kavanaugh. And to be clear: I do NOT think he should be confirmed. I think he should probably also lose the job he currently holds.

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Anonymous wrote:America 2018 where you are guilty based on words and not evidence.

If a women up for confirmation have her career derailed because at Mardi Gras she flashed her boobs in my face?

Drugging someone for gang rape is not equivalent to flashing boobs.

Does it say anywhere who did that? No, so everyone at the party is guilty? or should be investigated?

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Lol! Their lives aren’t turned upside down. These are liberal women whose liberal bubbles are celebrating them. He’s qualified because of his legal background. Drinking at teenage parties where bad things may have happened is not a disqualification. It’s sad how much of your identity and ability to reason is caught up in the Democratic Party and taking down Trump. Direct some of that critical thinking at yourself and your own party.

You don't think death threats and being forced out of your home is having your life turned upside down?

My identity isn't caught up in the Democratic Party - I'll probably vote for republicans in my local elections this fall.

Call me crazy but.. maybe I just don't want a suspected gang rapist to be confirmed to the supreme court?

Everyone gets death threats on the Internet now!!!! A death threat isn’t what it used to be, my friend! Kavanaugh and his family are getting death threats, too. I’m over here laughing that you refer to him as a “suspected gang rapist.” I am seriously appalled by your ability to be whipped into a frenzy by the media and some idiot legalese from a political hack lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:I was a high school and college student in a similar prep school UMC environment and schools in the early 1980s and I find this completely believable. In my mid-size southern town there were these types of house parties every weekend at the homes of rich kids whose parents were away for the weekend. I find it entirely believable that a girl from a local public school would be treated differently (and as prey) by boys in this social class from the way the boys would treat girls who went to sister private schools.

+1000 I grew up in an affluent suburb of Fairfax County and this kind of shit went on every weekend. I also witnessed it at parties in Ocean City during Beach Week. We knew not to go to them, and if we found ourselves at one, to not let a guy near our drinks. I've had friends who tried to tell their parents about this and nothing was done or they were told that they shouldn't go to these parties. It was usually a group of guys from affluent families who would get the kegs for these parties and have them at various houses in the area. Word got out about them.


I'm sure there will be more witnesses coming out about this latest claim!

I grew up in FC as well. This $hit never happened in my circles. NEVER.
So, I guess you all are finding him “guilty” because of your experiences?

DP I grew up in FFX county, like you this stuff also never happened to me or people I know of, and I believe these women.

I grew up in the moco private school circuit and while I steered clear of it I heard ALL about these parties. Everyone knew about every sex act every girl participated in, always the talk of the halls.

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Julie Swetnick is not a political operative. I know her. Ironically enough I know the Kavanaughs too.

What a huge mess!

[Anonymous]

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Everyone gets death threats on the Internet now!!!! A death threat isn’t what it used to be, my friend! Kavanaugh and his family are getting death threats, too. I’m over here laughing that you refer to him as a “suspected gang rapist.” I am seriously appalled by your ability to be whipped into a frenzy by the media and some idiot legalese from a political hack lawyer.

Mark Judge's ex gf also talked about train/gang rape before this came out. A pattern is forming here...

I am not ready to send him to jail, but I can put two and two together and say that being seen giving women alcohol without their consent and lining up outside of a bedroom where a gang rape may be taking place is not a good luck for a supreme court nominee

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America 2018 where you are guilty based on words and not evidence.

If a women up for confirmation have her career derailed because at Mardi Gras she flashed her boobs in my face?

Drugging someone for gang rape is not equivalent to flashing boobs.

Does it say anywhere who did that? No, so everyone at the party is guilty? or should be investigated?

She attested that she witnessed Kavanaugh drugging girls so they could be raped. Yes, I think someone should be investigated if there is a credible allegation like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Everyone should be very careful reading these statements. Avenetti is a smart lawyer and so wording is deliberate and important. The statement stops short of saying that she was raped by Kavanaugh and/or Judge. It also stops short of saying she witnessed them raping someoen elase.

What it does state is horrifying enough - that Judge and Kavanaugh were involved in attempts to groom women for sexual assault and appear to have been involved in a conspiracy to commit rape.

Please note - I am not disputing this woman, but it’s important not to mischaracterize what she is saying, mischaracterizations that are later shot down are the basis of undermining women’s claims, enabling people to say she is lying.

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I don't read this as saying she was raped *specifically by Kavanaugh or Judge*, but that they were at the parties and were part of the culture there. All of which is gross - but is not the same as saying Kavanaugh himself is a rapist. More than he was part of a disgusting and entitled group of boys, some of whom raped.

I worry about Avenetti. On the one hand, he seemed to do right by Stormy. But he does seem to be acting a little bit clever here. I believe this woman that girls were raped at these parties, and that Kavanaugh and Judge were at the parties where girls were raped. I worry that Avenetti is trying to imply Kavanaugh did the raping without coming out and saying so.

Stop worrying about Avenatti and start worrying about the country where a legitimate political party is willing to sit a lifetime justice on SC who happens to be complicit in gang-rape. Yes, Kavanaugh was complicit. This is disgusting - your gas-lighting is reprehensible.

Settle down. I am on your side, ok? I do worry about Avenatti - and I'm not f*cking gaslighting or concern trolling. I'm allowed to think two thoughts at once: That Kavanaugh is a POS who should not be confirmed, and that there's something about Avenatti that gives me pause.

There is no room for nuance on this board didn’t you know?!? I

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America 2018 where you are guilty based on words and not evidence.

If a women up for confirmation have her career derailed because at Mardi Gras she flashed her boobs in my face?

Let me know if you think her career would be derailed if multiple witnesses came forward to testify that she:
1)Flashed her boobs in your face
2)Wrestled you to the bed and kept you from screaming aloud while grinding you and trying to strip off your clothes
3)Targeted you as a sexual victim by spiking your drink so that you would pass out and a train of people could molest your unconscious body. And did this to others, too.
4)Publicly lied about it and claimed her high school years and those following were pure as the driven snow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America 2018 where you are guilty based on words and not evidence.

If a women up for confirmation have her career derailed because at Mardi Gras she flashed her boobs in my face?

Drugging someone for gang rape is not equivalent to flashing boobs.

Does it say anywhere who did that? No, so everyone at the party is guilty? or should be investigated?

She attested that she witnessed Kavanaugh drugging girls so they could be raped. Yes, I think someone should be investigated if there is a credible allegation like this.

"I also witnessed efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to cause girls to become inebriated and disoriented so they could then be "gang raped" in a side room or bedroom by a "train" of numerous boys."

" I have a firm recollection of seeing boys lined up outside rooms at many of these parties waiting for their "turn" with a girl inside the room. These boys included Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh."

"In approximately 1982, I became the victim of one of these "gang" or "train" rapes where Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present."

[Anonymous]

A lot of terrible crap happened among high school students in the 1980s. And I can see many posters on this thread reliving their memories or the gossip they exchanged. And it's clear that many of the posters' reaction to Ford's allegation is because they want to believe this assault happened so that a perpetrator can finally be visibly punished, in revenge for all the unpunished rapes that happened 30+ years ago.

I'm very sympathetic to the desire, really, I am. However, it remains that this is still just an unproven allegation with very weak support for it. The simple fact is that a woman came forward with an allegation of a sexual assault, which is not proof in itself. The fact is that all the witnesses she named being present have refused to corroborate her and all have said the party did not happen. The simple fact is that the victim cannot remember the house where the assault happened, despite remembering the other witnesses. The simple fact is that there are small details in the victim's allegation that are not consistent with what she first told her therapist several years ago. Those are what we have. If I am to judge Kavanaugh, it is by those facts, not because there was a lot of unreported rapes 35 years ago or because Kavanaugh had a history of drinking a lot and being a bit lewd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Everyone gets death threats on the Internet now!!!! A death threat isn’t what it used to be, my friend! Kavanaugh and his family are getting death threats, too. I’m over here laughing that you refer to him as a “suspected gang rapist.” I am seriously appalled by your ability to be whipped into a frenzy by the media and some idiot legalese from a political hack lawyer.

Mark Judge's ex gf also talked about train/gang rape before this came out. A pattern is forming here...

I am not ready to send him to jail, but I can put two and two together and say that being seen giving women alcohol without their consent and lining up outside of a bedroom where a gang rape may be taking place is not a good luck for a supreme court nominee

Um what, how do you force feed women alcohol?!?!

[Anonymous]

So did this girl say why she went to parties with these guys who gang raped girls and decided to continue partying with them?

[Anonymous]

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Um what, how do you force feed women alcohol?!?!

You are a stupid person

Read the source

"During the years 1981-82, I became aware of efforts by Mark Judge, Brett Kavanaugh and others to "spike" the "punch" at house parties I attended with drugs and/or grain alcohol so as to cause girls to lose their inhibitions and their ability to say "No." "