Another UChicago student murdered. 20-yo undergraduate dies after being shot on subway.

[Anonymous]

Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

[Anonymous]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/upshot/murder-crime-trends-chicago.html

St Louis (Wash U), Baltimore (Hopkins), New Orleans (Tulane), and Memphis (Vanderbilt) are all cities with higher murder rates than Chicago. Yet no one here contends that kids fear for their lives when they go to college in these cities.

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I spent 8 years at UofC and 5 at Hopkins (Homewood). The respective campus safety talks went like this: UofC, "just give them your rolex, it's not worth your life" and "this is the most heavily policed zip code in the US!". JHU, "we have motion-activate cameras everywhere. Flail on campus at night and we will be there in 3 minutes" and also, "in the case of an active shooter, no one is coming to save you. Use your belt to jam the classroom door closed."

It appears per capita Baltimore is more dangerous, as Baltimore is a much smaller city (4.5x smaller). But I am not familiar with where Hopkins is located as it relates to Baltimore's hot spots for random violent and property crime. U of C is firmly planted literally right in the middle of violent ghettos, about 8 miles south of the downtown skyscrapers.

Vanderbilt is in Nashville, not Memphis. Taylor Swift owns (or used to own) an apartment overlooking campus.

I can't speak to the other colleges, but are they dead center of the high crime neighborhoods? For example, DePaul and Loyola are in Chicago too, but they're surrounded by safe ritzy neighborhoods on the north side 10 to 15 miles north of U Chicago's island in the south side.

Google'ing Wash U, it appears to be on the west side of the city, near Clayton and Ladue, two of the city's most prosperous neighborhoods. That does not sound like U Chicago's geography at all.

[Anonymous]

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I spent 8 years at UofC and 5 at Hopkins (Homewood). The respective campus safety talks went like this: UofC, "just give them your rolex, it's not worth your life" and "this is the most heavily policed zip code in the US!". JHU, "we have motion-activate cameras everywhere. Flail on campus at night and we will be there in 3 minutes" and also, "in the case of an active shooter, no one is coming to save you. Use your belt to jam the classroom door closed."

It appears per capita Baltimore is more dangerous, as Baltimore is a much smaller city (4.5x smaller). But I am not familiar with where Hopkins is located as it relates to Baltimore's hot spots for random violent and property crime. U of C is firmly planted literally right in the middle of violent ghettos, about 8 miles south of the downtown skyscrapers.

Vanderbilt is in Nashville, not Memphis. Taylor Swift owns (or used to own) an apartment overlooking campus.

I can't speak to the other colleges, but are they dead center of the high crime neighborhoods? For example, DePaul and Loyola are in Chicago too, but they're surrounded by safe ritzy neighborhoods on the north side 10 to 15 miles north of U Chicago's island in the south side.

Google'ing Wash U, it appears to be on the west side of the city, near Clayton and Ladue, two of the city's most prosperous neighborhoods. That does not sound like U Chicago's geography at all.

Excepting Memphis, because Vanderbilt is in Nashville, I would say that, yes, anyone who has been paying attention knows that all of those cities have very high murder rates. Geography does matter — Tulane is in Uptown, just past the Garden District. While New Orleans is not a “safe” city, Tulane is in a relatively nice neighborhood and the streetcar to downtown is safe. I have heard similar concerns about John’s Hopkins, and the school I’d say is most comparable is Georgia Tech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

What did Rudy do? He replaced the Italian Mob with the Russian Mob while jailing poor black kids for hopping subway turnstiles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think U Chicago will have the same issues as any major urban campus schools, including Barnard and Columbia (really bad neighborhoods in NYC), and NYU (Midtown). But people will choose to go there based on what they value: the education, and then the same reasons people choose to live in big cities, instead of idyllic leafy suburbs.

Right, but you are underwriting (most of us anyway) a home for your children to grow from teens to adulthood. Think of it as their nest for the end of childhood.

Why oh why would you select a place where they have to worry about getting shot/stabbled/raped??? Just saying that you can have a great education and a safe environment too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

What did Rudy do? He replaced the Italian Mob with the Russian Mob while jailing poor black kids for hopping subway turnstiles.

Stats do not lie. Go look at what the crime rate was like before and after Rudy. People know what it was like walking the NYC streets before and after. If you don't like what he did to beat back violent crimes, you have Chicago today.

[Anonymous]

Current female undergraduate at the College doesn't hold any punches, characterizes the area around campus as a war zone.

Yet Another One Of My UChicago Peers Was Brutally Murdered By A Stray Bullet In Lori Lightfoot’s Crime-Infested City
A home is not a home when you’re terrified for your life. Mayor Lori Lightfoot and the CareNotCops organizers should be ashamed of themselves.

https://thechicagothinker.com/yet-another-one-of-our-uchicago-peers-was-brutally-murdered-by-a-stray-bullet-in-lori-lightfoots-crime-infested-city/

[Anonymous]

A University of Chicago student called out Mayor Lori Lightfoot on Thursday for her "blatant lie" regarding violent crime in the city just days after a fellow classmate was shot and killed by a stray bullet while commuting home from an internship.

"Lori Lightfoot had the nerve recently to say that crime in Chicago is on the decline—that’s a blatant lie," said Audrey Unverferth during an appearance on "Fox & Friends."

In an op-ed Unverferth said this: "I’ve ridden the CTA countless times. When my friends and I board the train, we shouldn’t fear that we’ll be murdered by stray bullets. When we sit down on the bus, we shouldn’t worry that we’ll be knifed to death."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/university-chicago-student-lightfoot-crime-classmate-death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

What did Rudy do? He replaced the Italian Mob with the Russian Mob while jailing poor black kids for hopping subway turnstiles.

He made the city clean and safe. Deal with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think U Chicago will have the same issues as any major urban campus schools, including Barnard and Columbia (really bad neighborhoods in NYC), and NYU (Midtown). But people will choose to go there based on what they value: the education, and then the same reasons people choose to live in big cities, instead of idyllic leafy suburbs.

Right, but you are underwriting (most of us anyway) a home for your children to grow from teens to adulthood. Think of it as their nest for the end of childhood.

Why oh why would you select a place where they have to worry about getting shot/stabbled/raped??? Just saying that you can have a great education and a safe environment too.

And why oh why do you care so much about what someone else does?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think U Chicago will have the same issues as any major urban campus schools, including Barnard and Columbia (really bad neighborhoods in NYC), and NYU (Midtown). But people will choose to go there based on what they value: the education, and then the same reasons people choose to live in big cities, instead of idyllic leafy suburbs.

Right, but you are underwriting (most of us anyway) a home for your children to grow from teens to adulthood. Think of it as their nest for the end of childhood.

Why oh why would you select a place where they have to worry about getting shot/stabbled/raped??? Just saying that you can have a great education and a safe environment too.

And why oh why do you care so much about what someone else does?

Isn't it the same reason you come to this forum for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think U Chicago will have the same issues as any major urban campus schools, including Barnard and Columbia (really bad neighborhoods in NYC), and NYU (Midtown). But people will choose to go there based on what they value: the education, and then the same reasons people choose to live in big cities, instead of idyllic leafy suburbs.

Right, but you are underwriting (most of us anyway) a home for your children to grow from teens to adulthood. Think of it as their nest for the end of childhood.

Why oh why would you select a place where they have to worry about getting shot/stabbled/raped??? Just saying that you can have a great education and a safe environment too.

And why oh why do you care so much about what someone else does?

This forum is all about sharing the bases for our decisions. Why are you on it if you don't care about what other say/do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

Chicago is surrounded by states that have very loose gunlaws. Missouri and Indiana gun dealers send a lot of guns into Chicago. SCOTUS justices appointed by Republicans invalidated Chicago's gun laws, and the gun violence problem got much worse. So part of the problem is Republican leadership.

Chicago has a long, long history of redlining and discrimination against African Americans. This created pockets of poverty that are very high crime. So part of the problem is Democrat leadership.