Another UChicago student murdered. 20-yo undergraduate dies after being shot on subway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty damning:

"Chicago Neighborhood Crime Stats: 29 Incidents Reported
University of Chicago reported 29 safety-related incidents involving students while on Chicago public property near campus in 2019. Of the 3,990 colleges and universities that reported crime and safety data, 3,845 of them reported fewer incidents than this."

From:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-chicago/student-life/crime/

UChicago prospects are likely only considering the top 30 or so universities (which would include NYU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, and UVA). Is it a safe assumption UChicago has by far the most dangerous orbit in the top 30? I assume Hopkins and Penn are the only other contenders.

Oh, please, I lived four years at Hopkins Homewood campus and it is idyllic and the crime / urban decay in the area is not in any way comparable to U Chicago. Chicago is in a war zone by comparison.

That’s funny — I taught for 6 years at Hopkins and encountered SWAT teams on my walk home a few times a year and routinely heard police helicopters buzzing the area. My UMC undergrads from the suburbs were scared to walk to Greenmount (a few blocks east of campus) because it was beyond their JHU bubble comfort zone. (And I’d lived in Chicago/had friends in Hyde Park two years before I started at JHU, so I could make a real time comparison then). The UChicago kids I know today are a lot more free range than many of the Hopkins kids I knew then. Gentrification has no doubt expanded the JHU bubble since then (my old neighborhood — Remington — is now cool), but this whole discussion sounds disturbingly familiar.

UChicago’s campus is larger and more idyllic than Homewood. And it has none of Homewood’s plantation aesthetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty damning:

"Chicago Neighborhood Crime Stats: 29 Incidents Reported
University of Chicago reported 29 safety-related incidents involving students while on Chicago public property near campus in 2019. Of the 3,990 colleges and universities that reported crime and safety data, 3,845 of them reported fewer incidents than this."

From:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-chicago/student-life/crime/

UChicago prospects are likely only considering the top 30 or so universities (which would include NYU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, and UVA). Is it a safe assumption UChicago has by far the most dangerous orbit in the top 30? I assume Hopkins and Penn are the only other contenders.

Oh, please, I lived four years at Hopkins Homewood campus and it is idyllic and the crime / urban decay in the area is not in any way comparable to U Chicago. Chicago is in a war zone by comparison.

That’s funny — I taught for 6 years at Hopkins and encountered SWAT teams on my walk home a few times a year and routinely heard police helicopters buzzing the area. My UMC undergrads from the suburbs were scared to walk to Greenmount (a few blocks east of campus) because it was beyond their JHU bubble comfort zone. (And I’d lived in Chicago/had friends in Hyde Park two years before I started at JHU, so I could make a real time comparison then). The UChicago kids I know today are a lot more free range than many of the Hopkins kids I knew then. Gentrification has no doubt expanded the JHU bubble since then (my old neighborhood — Remington — is now cool), but this whole discussion sounds disturbingly familiar.

UChicago’s campus is larger and more idyllic than Homewood. And it has none of Homewood’s plantation aesthetic.

I spent 8 years at UofC and 5 at Hopkins (Homewood). The respective campus safety talks went like this: UofC, "just give them your rolex, it's not worth your life" and "this is the most heavily policed zip code in the US!". JHU, "we have motion-activate cameras everywhere. Flail on campus at night and we will be there in 3 minutes" and also, "in the case of an active shooter, no one is coming to save you. Use your belt to jam the classroom door closed."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't get the 'wow' and I don't get why Lori would say no. Better to have our troops standing in subway and bus stops in America's ghettos than to have them playing in a desert for a 1/2 a trillion bucks a year.

There is no reason or justification for US Military on the streets of American cities. Worse under Trump, who would likely use it to crush his authoritarian tendencies, but no justification for a democrat either.

[Anonymous]

Yet the problem is confined to cities where the mayors have been Dems for decades. Weird.

[Anonymous]

Because poor people and URM know which party at least cares about them and how they are doing (vs corporate/1% welfare)

[Anonymous]

I’m interested. Cite specific to Chicago?

[Anonymous]

15:58 how do you jam the door closed with your belt? (serious question)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:15:58 how do you jam the door closed with your belt? (serious question)

Thankfully, I've never had to try it, and I rarely wear a belt, but I think the theory was that if you are trapped in a classroom with a door that opens in, you can use a leather belt as a makeshift door jamb (fold the belt over and shove the folded part between the door and the floor), the friction would make it harder to open the door and you might buy some additional time or the attacker might move on to an easier target.

[Anonymous]

Today the College also acknowledged the death of the young man down in the Florida condo collapse. Three deaths at the college so far in 2021. Spooky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't get the 'wow' and I don't get why Lori would say no. Better to have our troops standing in subway and bus stops in America's ghettos than to have them playing in a desert for a 1/2 a trillion bucks a year.

There is no reason or justification for US Military on the streets of American cities. Worse under Trump, who would likely use it to crush his authoritarian tendencies, but no justification for a democrat either.

Says privilege likely white person typing this from some safe suburb with no crime and a <5 minute police response time. My family in Chicago, Detroit, and Gary, Indiana would welcome armed military personnel to bolster local police.

[Anonymous]

A GWU student and a Vanderbilt student also died in the collapse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I spent 8 years at UofC and 5 at Hopkins (Homewood). The respective campus safety talks went like this: UofC, "just give them your rolex, it's not worth your life" and "this is the most heavily policed zip code in the US!". JHU, "we have motion-activate cameras everywhere. Flail on campus at night and we will be there in 3 minutes" and also, "in the case of an active shooter, no one is coming to save you. Use your belt to jam the classroom door closed."

It appears per capita Baltimore is more dangerous, as Baltimore is a much smaller city (4.5x smaller). But I am not familiar with where Hopkins is located as it relates to Baltimore's hot spots for random violent and property crime. U of C is firmly planted literally right in the middle of violent ghettos, about 8 miles south of the downtown skyscrapers.

[Anonymous]

Yale had a grad student murdered this year and an undergrad commit suicide. It’s not surprising that universities with more than 10,000 students have a few deaths in a year. And, given the age of students, those deaths are more likely to be the result of accidents or violence than disease.

[Anonymous]

My DC are attending U Chicago as first years next year. We are from NYC. Out of curiosity, I googled NYU, which is located in Union Square/Manhattan: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/new-york-university/student-life/crime/
only to find that NYU has significantly worse crime statistics that U Chicago, almost the worst in the country. And yet, living in midtown NYC, we walk through, live around, commute through the NYU area at all times day and night. It is often beautiful, culturally, rich, diverse, eclectic, with a hugely supportive community, etc. And yet, you also see on the news (especially Fox and its ilk) coverage of shootings in midtown NYC recently that make Times Square, and the areas around it (including NYU) look like a war zone. Yes crime has increased, and yes, we just voted for two crime-focused mayoral primary candidates. I am just going to urge my kids to do at U Chicago what they do in NYC every day - enjoy the campus and city, but also be smart and careful, and savvy. Be cautious, and know when it is safe vs. sketchy.

[Anonymous]

I think U Chicago will have the same issues as any major urban campus schools, including Barnard and Columbia (really bad neighborhoods in NYC), and NYU (Midtown). But people will choose to go there based on what they value: the education, and then the same reasons people choose to live in big cities, instead of idyllic leafy suburbs.