New River Campus?

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Anonymous wrote:How can all those projected number of cars possibly fit on the River School's proposed campus? It doesn't event make sense.

Most of the cars are pickup/dropoff, not parking. Parking is just for admin/faculty, and maybe a small number of visitors (e.g., interviews)

That driveway cannot handle the queuing onsite to handle "most" of the cars. If you actually read the minimal information that someone posted early on with the BZA paper, in the Operations Management Plan it says that 14 vehicles can load and unload students at a time. Where are the hundreds of other cars going to go while they are waiting, since according to you they aren't parking? And we all know there is not enough space for them to park because there will only be 42 spots and those spots are taken up by the 90 faculty. Where will the rest of the faculty park because there won't be enough for them? And the visitors? What about the patients to the health clinic? And the interviews? Guests? Other staff? Functions? Back to school night? Auction? Classroom events? Parties?

14 vehicles can fit at one time. There is not enough space for the vehicles to load and unload. There is not enough space for the cars to park. There is not enough space AT ALL for the River School at this lot. It is an amazing school just do not fit at this location.

You're totally conflating issues.

Let's take out the back to school night, auction, parties, which if they happen at all at that location will be at night when parking on Nebraska isn't an issue.
Faculty can be dealt with - if they don't have enough parking for all of them they'll be obliged, at least from precedent of every other zoning case everywhere, to find alternatives that don't involve neighborhood parking.
So the real issue is how does the school unload up to ~200 kids/cars during the morning dropoff and the afternoon pickup.That's not a parking issue.

[Anonymous]

No, it’s a traffic issue on a significant artery during rush hour.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How can all those projected number of cars possibly fit on the River School's proposed campus? It doesn't event make sense.

Most of the cars are pickup/dropoff, not parking. Parking is just for admin/faculty, and maybe a small number of visitors (e.g., interviews)

That driveway cannot handle the queuing onsite to handle "most" of the cars. If you actually read the minimal information that someone posted early on with the BZA paper, in the Operations Management Plan it says that 14 vehicles can load and unload students at a time. Where are the hundreds of other cars going to go while they are waiting, since according to you they aren't parking? And we all know there is not enough space for them to park because there will only be 42 spots and those spots are taken up by the 90 faculty. Where will the rest of the faculty park because there won't be enough for them? And the visitors? What about the patients to the health clinic? And the interviews? Guests? Other staff? Functions? Back to school night? Auction? Classroom events? Parties?

14 vehicles can fit at one time. There is not enough space for the vehicles to load and unload. There is not enough space for the cars to park. There is not enough space AT ALL for the River School at this lot. It is an amazing school just do not fit at this location.

You're totally conflating issues.

Let's take out the back to school night, auction, parties, which if they happen at all at that location will be at night when parking on Nebraska isn't an issue.
Faculty can be dealt with - if they don't have enough parking for all of them they'll be obliged, at least from precedent of every other zoning case everywhere, to find alternatives that don't involve neighborhood parking.
So the real issue is how does the school unload up to ~200 kids/cars during the morning dropoff and the afternoon pickup.That's not a parking issue.

It is most certainly a parking and safety issue.

It is amazing how the school's festivities are suddenly all at night now. How convenient. And you mention how you will still park outside the campus on Nebraska because the River School does not have adequate parking.

Yes, the school will be obligated to find faculty parking because the will not have enough, but where will it be? Why is the "let's wait and see approach" added to their plan? Oh wait, you get up to 6 infractions and then they will deal with in.

The real issue is the River School cannot accommodate the more than 350 students it hopes to have in place which is clearly more than your "~". If the cars cannot fit in the driveway, where it clearly states 14 cars can fit for queuing, where will the cars wait? When you are late for a meeting you are going to wait in a line of ~ cars? No, just like the Janney parents, GDS parents, Sidwell parents and all the other busy working parents will park wherever they can to drop their kid off and go. The neighborhood cannot handle another massive campus with no parking plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I think River School is feeling pressured as other schools like Sidwell and GDS have recently acquired property and expanded. River School’s crappy building is holding it back.

Suppose to feel bad because the really wonderful private school is having a hard time keeping up with the Joneses??? It wants to push its way it to a residential neighborhood (its first attempt since its other three attempts at commercial sites didn't work out), so lets just totally disrupt people's way of living and AGING IN PLACE so they can keep up and release the "pressure". Just kill me now why don't you.

geez, that’s a bit hysterical. you don’t own the streets - nobody does. anti-school nimbyism based on parking is just another level. as the mom of a SN kid who couldn’t consider River due to its location, I think it’s great it is trying to find a more centrally accessible location to expand to.

What is hysterical is you throwing around NIMBYism and acting like parking and local safety are not a concern. They are a MAJOR concern for those of us that have lived here for over 25+ years and have raised our own kids and now grandkids on these streets. Not having adequate parking for the hundreds of cars that will be coming into the area and adding to the congestion due to the River School's lack of planning and communication is a problem. How you handle your families needs is on you. Are you suddenly going to take the metro or bus with your kid now that the school is considering this centrally accessible location and it wants to expand? This is a residential lot they are trying to get special exception for; this is a private school that is coming from Ward 3 moving to Ward 3. Do not fool yourself.
Where did you end up sending your kid that was better located and did you use public transportation?

DP...you are hysterical. None of these nightmare scenarios ever come to fruition. They said the same thing when GDS opened its high school, when NCRC expanded, when Sidwell did its renovation, etc. We live in a city, the streets do not belong only to you.

Wanting safer streets for all those in the neighborhood and for those that walk, bike and travel on them daily means I am claiming ownership over them? Wanting safer streets is NEVER wrong. Maybe you should want them too, if not for yourself or your own family then for others. Maybe you should try and explain why safer streets are not needed to the poor young man's family who just got tragically struck and killed on Mass Ave. while riding his bike TO DINNER. Safer intersections and roadways are a must. There is no plan for the cars and congestion associated with this school moving here.

Ok, right, opening this school will lead to death. great argument.

That is not even funny. It would be horrible if something happen to a young kid because there is no parking or traffic. This is something we should all consider and the fact that you even mock someone poor young man's death is disturbing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think River School is feeling pressured as other schools like Sidwell and GDS have recently acquired property and expanded. River School’s crappy building is holding it back.

Suppose to feel bad because the really wonderful private school is having a hard time keeping up with the Joneses??? It wants to push its way it to a residential neighborhood (its first attempt since its other three attempts at commercial sites didn't work out), so lets just totally disrupt people's way of living and AGING IN PLACE so they can keep up and release the "pressure". Just kill me now why don't you.

geez, that’s a bit hysterical. you don’t own the streets - nobody does. anti-school nimbyism based on parking is just another level. as the mom of a SN kid who couldn’t consider River due to its location, I think it’s great it is trying to find a more centrally accessible location to expand to.

What is hysterical is you throwing around NIMBYism and acting like parking and local safety are not a concern. They are a MAJOR concern for those of us that have lived here for over 25+ years and have raised our own kids and now grandkids on these streets. Not having adequate parking for the hundreds of cars that will be coming into the area and adding to the congestion due to the River School's lack of planning and communication is a problem. How you handle your families needs is on you. Are you suddenly going to take the metro or bus with your kid now that the school is considering this centrally accessible location and it wants to expand? This is a residential lot they are trying to get special exception for; this is a private school that is coming from Ward 3 moving to Ward 3. Do not fool yourself.
Where did you end up sending your kid that was better located and did you use public transportation?

DP...you are hysterical. None of these nightmare scenarios ever come to fruition. They said the same thing when GDS opened its high school, when NCRC expanded, when Sidwell did its renovation, etc. We live in a city, the streets do not belong only to you.

Wanting safer streets for all those in the neighborhood and for those that walk, bike and travel on them daily means I am claiming ownership over them? Wanting safer streets is NEVER wrong. Maybe you should want them too, if not for yourself or your own family then for others. Maybe you should try and explain why safer streets are not needed to the poor young man's family who just got tragically struck and killed on Mass Ave. while riding his bike TO DINNER. Safer intersections and roadways are a must. There is no plan for the cars and congestion associated with this school moving here.

Ok, right, opening this school will lead to death. great argument.

That is not even funny. It would be horrible if something happen to a young kid because there is no parking or traffic. This is something we should all consider and the fact that you even mock someone poor young man's death is disturbing.

It's absurd to claim that a minimal increase in traffic is going to lead to unsafe streets. It's also really morbid to claim that the bike accident on Mass Ave -- a notoriously dangerous place to bike and a crazy traffic pattern - has anything at all to do with the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How can all those projected number of cars possibly fit on the River School's proposed campus? It doesn't event make sense.

Most of the cars are pickup/dropoff, not parking. Parking is just for admin/faculty, and maybe a small number of visitors (e.g., interviews)

That driveway cannot handle the queuing onsite to handle "most" of the cars. If you actually read the minimal information that someone posted early on with the BZA paper, in the Operations Management Plan it says that 14 vehicles can load and unload students at a time. Where are the hundreds of other cars going to go while they are waiting, since according to you they aren't parking? And we all know there is not enough space for them to park because there will only be 42 spots and those spots are taken up by the 90 faculty. Where will the rest of the faculty park because there won't be enough for them? And the visitors? What about the patients to the health clinic? And the interviews? Guests? Other staff? Functions? Back to school night? Auction? Classroom events? Parties?

14 vehicles can fit at one time. There is not enough space for the vehicles to load and unload. There is not enough space for the cars to park. There is not enough space AT ALL for the River School at this lot. It is an amazing school just do not fit at this location.

You're totally conflating issues.

Let's take out the back to school night, auction, parties, which if they happen at all at that location will be at night when parking on Nebraska isn't an issue.
Faculty can be dealt with - if they don't have enough parking for all of them they'll be obliged, at least from precedent of every other zoning case everywhere, to find alternatives that don't involve neighborhood parking.
So the real issue is how does the school unload up to ~200 kids/cars during the morning dropoff and the afternoon pickup.That's not a parking issue.

They can figure out a drop off/pick up pattern, just like any other school. The fact is, this is a city. There isn't going to be any perfect location with a 300 car parking lot, obviously. You just believe you're entitled to keep everything exactly the same.

It is most certainly a parking and safety issue.

It is amazing how the school's festivities are suddenly all at night now. How convenient. And you mention how you will still park outside the campus on Nebraska because the River School does not have adequate parking.

Yes, the school will be obligated to find faculty parking because the will not have enough, but where will it be? Why is the "let's wait and see approach" added to their plan? Oh wait, you get up to 6 infractions and then they will deal with in.

The real issue is the River School cannot accommodate the more than 350 students it hopes to have in place which is clearly more than your "~". If the cars cannot fit in the driveway, where it clearly states 14 cars can fit for queuing, where will the cars wait? When you are late for a meeting you are going to wait in a line of ~ cars? No, just like the Janney parents, GDS parents, Sidwell parents and all the other busy working parents will park wherever they can to drop their kid off and go. The neighborhood cannot handle another massive campus with no parking plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone who is interested in River's actual plans rather than the fearmongering, here they are: https://anc3e.org/wp-content/uploads/River-School-Presentation-to-ANC3E-0210.pdf

Traffic is all off Nebraska with a large U-shaped drop-off entirely self-contained on their property, just like NPS across the street. The "health clinic" is the same as the one on their current campus and is a very small pediatric hearing clinic -- not exactly a heavy driver of traffic!

I mean, you said it yourself.

The NPS/NPC campus is far bigger than this River campus. Yikes to adding another school to that area.

Sidwell's campus is on 15 acres - HUGE difference to River School

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Anonymous wrote:I think River School is feeling pressured as other schools like Sidwell and GDS have recently acquired property and expanded. River School’s crappy building is holding it back.

Suppose to feel bad because the really wonderful private school is having a hard time keeping up with the Joneses??? It wants to push its way it to a residential neighborhood (its first attempt since its other three attempts at commercial sites didn't work out), so lets just totally disrupt people's way of living and AGING IN PLACE so they can keep up and release the "pressure". Just kill me now why don't you.

geez, that’s a bit hysterical. you don’t own the streets - nobody does. anti-school nimbyism based on parking is just another level. as the mom of a SN kid who couldn’t consider River due to its location, I think it’s great it is trying to find a more centrally accessible location to expand to.

What is hysterical is you throwing around NIMBYism and acting like parking and local safety are not a concern. They are a MAJOR concern for those of us that have lived here for over 25+ years and have raised our own kids and now grandkids on these streets. Not having adequate parking for the hundreds of cars that will be coming into the area and adding to the congestion due to the River School's lack of planning and communication is a problem. How you handle your families needs is on you. Are you suddenly going to take the metro or bus with your kid now that the school is considering this centrally accessible location and it wants to expand? This is a residential lot they are trying to get special exception for; this is a private school that is coming from Ward 3 moving to Ward 3. Do not fool yourself.
Where did you end up sending your kid that was better located and did you use public transportation?

DP...you are hysterical. None of these nightmare scenarios ever come to fruition. They said the same thing when GDS opened its high school, when NCRC expanded, when Sidwell did its renovation, etc. We live in a city, the streets do not belong only to you.

Wanting safer streets for all those in the neighborhood and for those that walk, bike and travel on them daily means I am claiming ownership over them? Wanting safer streets is NEVER wrong. Maybe you should want them too, if not for yourself or your own family then for others. Maybe you should try and explain why safer streets are not needed to the poor young man's family who just got tragically struck and killed on Mass Ave. while riding his bike TO DINNER. Safer intersections and roadways are a must. There is no plan for the cars and congestion associated with this school moving here.

Ok, right, opening this school will lead to death. great argument.

That is not even funny. It would be horrible if something happen to a young kid because there is no parking or traffic. This is something we should all consider and the fact that you even mock someone poor young man's death is disturbing.

It's absurd to claim that a minimal increase in traffic is going to lead to unsafe streets. It's also really morbid to claim that the bike accident on Mass Ave -- a notoriously dangerous place to bike and a crazy traffic pattern - has anything at all to do with the school.

It is NOT A MINIMAL INCREASE. Did you even read their proposal? Adding that many cars without a proper way to funnel them into the campus/neighborhood is unsafe and a hazard. That IS causing a crazy traffic pattern. The school is not taking into account the safety of the neighborhood or those that live and work in the area and that is a horrible, selfish thought. You are right. The River School is WRONG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, it’s a traffic issue on a significant artery during rush hour.

I agree. It is very much a traffic issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I think River School is feeling pressured as other schools like Sidwell and GDS have recently acquired property and expanded. River School’s crappy building is holding it back.

Suppose to feel bad because the really wonderful private school is having a hard time keeping up with the Joneses??? It wants to push its way it to a residential neighborhood (its first attempt since its other three attempts at commercial sites didn't work out), so lets just totally disrupt people's way of living and AGING IN PLACE so they can keep up and release the "pressure". Just kill me now why don't you.

geez, that’s a bit hysterical. you don’t own the streets - nobody does. anti-school nimbyism based on parking is just another level. as the mom of a SN kid who couldn’t consider River due to its location, I think it’s great it is trying to find a more centrally accessible location to expand to.

What is hysterical is you throwing around NIMBYism and acting like parking and local safety are not a concern. They are a MAJOR concern for those of us that have lived here for over 25+ years and have raised our own kids and now grandkids on these streets. Not having adequate parking for the hundreds of cars that will be coming into the area and adding to the congestion due to the River School's lack of planning and communication is a problem. How you handle your families needs is on you. Are you suddenly going to take the metro or bus with your kid now that the school is considering this centrally accessible location and it wants to expand? This is a residential lot they are trying to get special exception for; this is a private school that is coming from Ward 3 moving to Ward 3. Do not fool yourself.
Where did you end up sending your kid that was better located and did you use public transportation?

DP...you are hysterical. None of these nightmare scenarios ever come to fruition. They said the same thing when GDS opened its high school, when NCRC expanded, when Sidwell did its renovation, etc. We live in a city, the streets do not belong only to you.

Wanting safer streets for all those in the neighborhood and for those that walk, bike and travel on them daily means I am claiming ownership over them? Wanting safer streets is NEVER wrong. Maybe you should want them too, if not for yourself or your own family then for others. Maybe you should try and explain why safer streets are not needed to the poor young man's family who just got tragically struck and killed on Mass Ave. while riding his bike TO DINNER. Safer intersections and roadways are a must. There is no plan for the cars and congestion associated with this school moving here.

Ok, right, opening this school will lead to death. great argument.

That is not even funny. It would be horrible if something happen to a young kid because there is no parking or traffic. This is something we should all consider and the fact that you even mock someone poor young man's death is disturbing.

It's absurd to claim that a minimal increase in traffic is going to lead to unsafe streets. It's also really morbid to claim that the bike accident on Mass Ave -- a notoriously dangerous place to bike and a crazy traffic pattern - has anything at all to do with the school.

It is NOT A MINIMAL INCREASE. Did you even read their proposal? Adding that many cars without a proper way to funnel them into the campus/neighborhood is unsafe and a hazard. That IS causing a crazy traffic pattern. The school is not taking into account the safety of the neighborhood or those that live and work in the area and that is a horrible, selfish thought. You are right. The River School is WRONG.

300 cars is minimal. It’s not a backwater road; it’s a road that already handles a fair amount of volume. You sound very anxious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think River School is feeling pressured as other schools like Sidwell and GDS have recently acquired property and expanded. River School’s crappy building is holding it back.

Suppose to feel bad because the really wonderful private school is having a hard time keeping up with the Joneses??? It wants to push its way it to a residential neighborhood (its first attempt since its other three attempts at commercial sites didn't work out), so lets just totally disrupt people's way of living and AGING IN PLACE so they can keep up and release the "pressure". Just kill me now why don't you.

geez, that’s a bit hysterical. you don’t own the streets - nobody does. anti-school nimbyism based on parking is just another level. as the mom of a SN kid who couldn’t consider River due to its location, I think it’s great it is trying to find a more centrally accessible location to expand to.

What is hysterical is you throwing around NIMBYism and acting like parking and local safety are not a concern. They are a MAJOR concern for those of us that have lived here for over 25+ years and have raised our own kids and now grandkids on these streets. Not having adequate parking for the hundreds of cars that will be coming into the area and adding to the congestion due to the River School's lack of planning and communication is a problem. How you handle your families needs is on you. Are you suddenly going to take the metro or bus with your kid now that the school is considering this centrally accessible location and it wants to expand? This is a residential lot they are trying to get special exception for; this is a private school that is coming from Ward 3 moving to Ward 3. Do not fool yourself.
Where did you end up sending your kid that was better located and did you use public transportation?

DP...you are hysterical. None of these nightmare scenarios ever come to fruition. They said the same thing when GDS opened its high school, when NCRC expanded, when Sidwell did its renovation, etc. We live in a city, the streets do not belong only to you.

Wanting safer streets for all those in the neighborhood and for those that walk, bike and travel on them daily means I am claiming ownership over them? Wanting safer streets is NEVER wrong. Maybe you should want them too, if not for yourself or your own family then for others. Maybe you should try and explain why safer streets are not needed to the poor young man's family who just got tragically struck and killed on Mass Ave. while riding his bike TO DINNER. Safer intersections and roadways are a must. There is no plan for the cars and congestion associated with this school moving here.

Ok, right, opening this school will lead to death. great argument.

That is not even funny. It would be horrible if something happen to a young kid because there is no parking or traffic. This is something we should all consider and the fact that you even mock someone poor young man's death is disturbing.

It's absurd to claim that a minimal increase in traffic is going to lead to unsafe streets. It's also really morbid to claim that the bike accident on Mass Ave -- a notoriously dangerous place to bike and a crazy traffic pattern - has anything at all to do with the school.

It is NOT A MINIMAL INCREASE. Did you even read their proposal? Adding that many cars without a proper way to funnel them into the campus/neighborhood is unsafe and a hazard. That IS causing a crazy traffic pattern. The school is not taking into account the safety of the neighborhood or those that live and work in the area and that is a horrible, selfish thought. You are right. The River School is WRONG.

300 cars is minimal. It’s not a backwater road; it’s a road that already handles a fair amount of volume. You sound very anxious.

DP. Volume that depends on unimpeded traffic flow during high volumes periods, not a ten car back up every morning at drop off time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:How can all those projected number of cars possibly fit on the River School's proposed campus? It doesn't event make sense.

Most of the cars are pickup/dropoff, not parking. Parking is just for admin/faculty, and maybe a small number of visitors (e.g., interviews)

That driveway cannot handle the queuing onsite to handle "most" of the cars. If you actually read the minimal information that someone posted early on with the BZA paper, in the Operations Management Plan it says that 14 vehicles can load and unload students at a time. Where are the hundreds of other cars going to go while they are waiting, since according to you they aren't parking? And we all know there is not enough space for them to park because there will only be 42 spots and those spots are taken up by the 90 faculty. Where will the rest of the faculty park because there won't be enough for them? And the visitors? What about the patients to the health clinic? And the interviews? Guests? Other staff? Functions? Back to school night? Auction? Classroom events? Parties?

14 vehicles can fit at one time. There is not enough space for the vehicles to load and unload. There is not enough space for the cars to park. There is not enough space AT ALL for the River School at this lot. It is an amazing school just do not fit at this location.

You're totally conflating issues.

Let's take out the back to school night, auction, parties, which if they happen at all at that location will be at night when parking on Nebraska isn't an issue.
Faculty can be dealt with - if they don't have enough parking for all of them they'll be obliged, at least from precedent of every other zoning case everywhere, to find alternatives that don't involve neighborhood parking.
So the real issue is how does the school unload up to ~200 kids/cars during the morning dropoff and the afternoon pickup.That's not a parking issue.

Class plays. Musical performances. Parent volunteers. Parent-teacher conferences. Lots of things happen during the schoolday that will bring even more cars into the area/on campus and looking for places to park.

[Anonymous]

Drive on MacArthur now during pick up drop off and see the cars back up. They sit in a lane of traffic with their blinkers on. Starts about 240 pm. Only one lane gets by.

[Anonymous]

Seems like some people who are pointing fingers at others for not owning the streets must not appreciate or value the Mayor's interest in the safe streets either. The Mayor's Vision Zero plan is all about safer streets. Are you going to tell our Mayor she doesn't own the streets either? She must be anxious too.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it’s a traffic issue on a significant artery during rush hour.

I agree. It is very much a traffic issue.

The traffic issue on Nebraska is the existing traffic on Nebraska not 5 minutes worth of additional cars.