Diversity, equity, inclusion but not for Jews?

[Anonymous]

Many of you need to read this: https://www.ajc.org/news/AntisemitismReport2020/ignorance-about-antisemitism-creates-dangerous-breeding-ground-for-hatred-of-jews

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

+1. Black Americans are not sitting back and waiting for allies to jump in and save them — because for centuries they never have

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Always claiming gold in the persecution Olympics while willfully ignoring the entire tribes and races of people obliterated from the planet thru colonialism. But you get to make these claims from your perch of incredible privilege in this country so they are widespread. But sure, natives and Africans have NEVER suffered as much. It’s amazing how much suffering you choose to ignore to constantly redirect focus

Jews have incredible privilege in this country?! Seriously?!

Are you being murdered on a daily basis?

Are there currently laws on the books and business practices preventing you or making it extremely difficult to own your own home business or other hallmarks of upward mobility?

Is there a current legislative movement to make sure your votes do not count?

Are you regularly locked out of job opportunities because of your name or if you happen to have an anglicized name are you regularly locked out of job opportunities because of your skin color?

Do you have to consider straightening your hair and keeping it straight to get a job? Do you have to consider if your hairstyle night prevent you from getting a job?

Do people assume you can't possibly live in the neighborhood that you do because you don't look like you are from there?

Are countries locking you out of their borders leaving you to die in the desert or at sea?

Are laws being passed discouraging you or preventing you from speaking your native language, practicing your native religion and wearing your religious attire?

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

The point is, black and Asian people can’t pass for white.

That’s why they get special attention from progressive whites.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

And Jews have been fighting for ourselves for decades. Ever heard of the ADL? Probably not.

We have also fought alongside Black people as allies. Ever heard of Abraham Joshua Herschel? Probably not. Ever heard of the 600+ Jewish groups who signed a public letter vowing support to BLM? Probably not.

There are plenty of black people on these boards asking for allies. You don’t attack them as doing nothing.

You have attacked and belittled everyone on this thread. And then claim you have no allies while also listing allies.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

And Jews have been fighting for ourselves for decades. Ever heard of the ADL? Probably not.

We have also fought alongside Black people as allies. Ever heard of Abraham Joshua Herschel? Probably not. Ever heard of the 600+ Jewish groups who signed a public letter vowing support to BLM? Probably not.

There are plenty of black people on these boards asking for allies. You don’t attack them as doing nothing.

Well then I guess you better demand the ADL to do more. Also it reeks of privilege that you claim to not have that you feel entitled to black people supporting you.

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Indeed.

People need to recognize that the word “ghetto” is Italian and came from the Venetian Ghetto—the walled-off part of the city where Jews were forced to live.

If we're going to discuss worldwide persecution, discrimination and suffering then black people are apart of that conversation and it continues today.

I never said we shouldn’t fight against racism.

Jewish groups have long been part of that fight as allies, and that continues today.

We’re simply asking for you to also fight against anti-Semitism. Why is that so hard for you to do?

What you did was downplay the suffering past and present f a group to further your cause. Maybe the reason you don't have "the allies" and support you want is because of the attiduet you display here. "My suffering is worse than yours, but you should support me anyway"

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Always claiming gold in the persecution Olympics while willfully ignoring the entire tribes and races of people obliterated from the planet thru colonialism. But you get to make these claims from your perch of incredible privilege in this country so they are widespread. But sure, natives and Africans have NEVER suffered as much. It’s amazing how much suffering you choose to ignore to constantly redirect focus

Probably not the best reference to the Olympus considering the slaughter at Munich years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of you need to read this: https://www.ajc.org/news/AntisemitismReport2020/ignorance-about-antisemitism-creates-dangerous-breeding-ground-for-hatred-of-jews

You might enjoy this article:

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-tempted-to-compare-anti-semitism-with-anti-black-racism-just-don-t-1.6896126


and this one


https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/white-jews-wake-up-were-part-of-the-problem/

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Anonymous wrote:Not true. After Tree of Life, there was intense dialogue from schools, corporations, non profit, social justice orgs, etc. It was huge part of national discussion.

+1

And wow, pretty tone deaf OP.

Very tone-deaf. I've grown suspicious of these types of posts after racially motivated attacks. The Jewish people I know in my own life are not demanding to be included in the discussion at this moment, they are, saddened, empathetic and pushing for change. They are not intentionally being tone-deaf and divisive like, OP.

[Anonymous]

I am not claiming that anti-Semitism doesn't exist in America or that it's not a problem. It is.

One of the biggest issues with Trump is that antisemitic groups found comfort in supporting him.

The issue is taking a national conversation about anti-Asian racism and violence and making it about you.

That's not helpful at the moment.

[Anonymous]

Despite how offsetting this troll poster may be, I'm trying to keep a level head about this.

The way that I see it US Jews are both the beneficiaries and victims of their own success in this country (and worldwide). At only 2% of the population, they are overrepresented in nearly every sphere and had made themselves a political, professional and economic force to be reckoned with. That same success has made them very visible scapegoats for certain groups and only added fuel to antisemetic tropes regarding Jews that we hear so much.

While Jews are largely white and may seemingly rub shoulder to shoulder with the privileged sect they still do not enjoy the same levels of security that Anglo whites do. Jewish Americans worry about their safety and security at their places of worship. They are scared to send their kids to schools. And they live in constant fear that their history will repeat itself. All valid fears.

If history has taught us anything, though, it is that the masses do not rally behind those who are perceived as wealthy and privileged.

So Jewish Americans are in a difficult spot. They are not economically or educationally disadvantaged like other ethnic groups but do fear persecution. The "ask" for Jews is much harder in that there are no concrete educational funds to donate to, groups to create scholarships or hiring programs, jobs training, etc. For Jews, the request is only that people don't terrorize them. While a simple one, it's a difficult conversation because they're not asking for donations or volunteers - just education.

All that said, for other minorities it is hard to swallow the line about being the "most persecuted minority" - particularly when your group is suffering so much now. I mean, when your family members are unemployed, shot, lacking education, or in need of health care, you don't care about what happened to another group 100 or more years ago. You care about today.

I don't know what the answer is. I do know that Jews are the most philanthropic group in America today. I think I saw that 67% of Jews donate actively to non-profits. What that tells me is that most US Jews are quite aware of the suffering of others and do actively contribute to other causes. Just putting that out there in case anything on this board would lead anyone to believe otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

And Jews have been fighting for ourselves for decades. Ever heard of the ADL? Probably not.

We have also fought alongside Black people as allies. Ever heard of Abraham Joshua Herschel? Probably not. Ever heard of the 600+ Jewish groups who signed a public letter vowing support to BLM? Probably not.

There are plenty of black people on these boards asking for allies. You don’t attack them as doing nothing.

You have attacked and belittled everyone on this thread. And then claim you have no allies while also listing allies.

I haven’t done any of that on this thread.

Allies are a critical part of the fight for social justice. It’s clear none of you are interested in being allies for us. Fine. I’ll accept that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not claiming that anti-Semitism doesn't exist in America or that it's not a problem. It is.

One of the biggest issues with Trump is that antisemitic groups found comfort in supporting him.

The issue is taking a national conversation about anti-Asian racism and violence and making it about you.

That's not helpful at the moment.

Our point is that we have never been able to benefit from allies. Our point is that there’s never the right time, apparently, to fight against anti-Semitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Despite how offsetting this troll poster may be, I'm trying to keep a level head about this.

The way that I see it US Jews are both the beneficiaries and victims of their own success in this country (and worldwide). At only 2% of the population, they are overrepresented in nearly every sphere and had made themselves a political, professional and economic force to be reckoned with. That same success has made them very visible scapegoats for certain groups and only added fuel to antisemetic tropes regarding Jews that we hear so much.

While Jews are largely white and may seemingly rub shoulder to shoulder with the privileged sect they still do not enjoy the same levels of security that Anglo whites do. Jewish Americans worry about their safety and security at their places of worship. They are scared to send their kids to schools. And they live in constant fear that their history will repeat itself. All valid fears.

If history has taught us anything, though, it is that the masses do not rally behind those who are perceived as wealthy and privileged.

So Jewish Americans are in a difficult spot. They are not economically or educationally disadvantaged like other ethnic groups but do fear persecution. The "ask" for Jews is much harder in that there are no concrete educational funds to donate to, groups to create scholarships or hiring programs, jobs training, etc. For Jews, the request is only that people don't terrorize them. While a simple one, it's a difficult conversation because they're not asking for donations or volunteers - just education.

All that said, for other minorities it is hard to swallow the line about being the "most persecuted minority" - particularly when your group is suffering so much now. I mean, when your family members are unemployed, shot, lacking education, or in need of health care, you don't care about what happened to another group 100 or more years ago. You care about today.

I don't know what the answer is. I do know that Jews are the most philanthropic group in America today. I think I saw that 67% of Jews donate actively to non-profits. What that tells me is that most US Jews are quite aware of the suffering of others and do actively contribute to other causes. Just putting that out there in case anything on this board would lead anyone to believe otherwise.

And we continue to suffer from the majority of anti-religious hate crimes.

Many posters on this thread seem to want to ignore this fact.