Diversity, equity, inclusion but not for Jews?

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You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Indeed.

People need to recognize that the word “ghetto” is Italian and came from the Venetian Ghetto—the walled-off part of the city where Jews were forced to live.

If we're going to discuss worldwide persecution, discrimination and suffering then black people are apart of that conversation and it continues today.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Always claiming gold in the persecution Olympics while willfully ignoring the entire tribes and races of people obliterated from the planet thru colonialism. But you get to make these claims from your perch of incredible privilege in this country so they are widespread. But sure, natives and Africans have NEVER suffered as much. It’s amazing how much suffering you choose to ignore to constantly redirect focus

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

It doesn’t explain why we outperform other people with that skin tone.

So I still want to know what factors support our accomplishments.

So now you're upset that you are doing better than the least discriminate group in the country?

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

It doesn’t explain why we outperform other people with that skin tone.

So I still want to know what factors support our accomplishments.

So now you're upset that you are doing better than the least discriminate group in the country?

Someone cited the “many factors supporting Jewish accomplishments.” I simply asked what those factors are.

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Always claiming gold in the persecution Olympics while willfully ignoring the entire tribes and races of people obliterated from the planet thru colonialism. But you get to make these claims from your perch of incredible privilege in this country so they are widespread. But sure, natives and Africans have NEVER suffered as much. It’s amazing how much suffering you choose to ignore to constantly redirect focus

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Always claiming gold in the persecution Olympics while willfully ignoring the entire tribes and races of people obliterated from the planet thru colonialism. But you get to make these claims from your perch of incredible privilege in this country so they are widespread. But sure, natives and Africans have NEVER suffered as much. It’s amazing how much suffering you choose to ignore to constantly redirect focus

Jews have incredible privilege in this country?! Seriously?!

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

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If you think Jews feel enough discomfort among the majority (white) in this country, think about how other minorities go through life, walking outside, socializing, networking, etc. looking like a visible minority every day no matter their life choices (such as not changing names or not talking about certain aspects of their life like religion).

None of that helped us in 1930s Germany.

We aren't living in 1930s Germany. Pick a topic. Discrimination today in the USA, historical discrimination, or worldwide current/and historical discrimination?

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Anonymous wrote:The point isn’t about who has it worse nor is it to take away the very real anti-Asian and broader racist activities happening. It’s highlighting that despite the fact that Antisemitism makes up, per capita, a large percentage of hat crimes and that folks in Charlottesville and at the Capitol were spewing direct antisemitism rhetoric (“6 million wasn’t enough”) folks think that because Jews appear “better off,” antisemitism isn’t worthy of discussion. That’s the problem.

Yep! And this thread only proves the point.

This thread proves that hijacking the discussion of the slaughter of Asian women to say “what about me?” is in poor taste.

Tell us when it’s ok to fight anti-semitism.

Also, where was the discussion after the Tree of Life shooting?

It’s always ok to fight anti-semitism. But maybe, just maybe you can wait for the families to bury their dead and mourn their loss. Hell, maybe even wait an actual week.

The point is, there’s never time for us.

There’s always a reason. If I wait a week and ask again, you’ll have another excuse.

Then try it and let’s see. In the meantime, Asian hate crimes are on the rise and a horrific shooting in Atlanta took place this week. Maybe ask why this had to happen.

Anti-Semitic hate crimes have been going up for the past 4 years. We’ve been talking about it. You haven’t been listening.

So basically, forget the Asian community and the Atlanta shooting. Anti Semitic crimes need to be discussed right now. Asian community can mourn later. Now is the time to talk about Amit semitism.

Wow you really don’t get it.

At least you’re worrying about Asians now. For a long time, they were a model minority you didn’t give a shit about.

So at least we’ve made that progress.

+1. For the past year, the SJWs wouldn’t let us care about anyone but black people. Now, they’ve expanded that to include Asians.

Wow. This is the problem. Not all groups are injured in the same way and if you’re angry that BLM has dominated the conversation you’re part of the problem. They’ve got police kneeling on their necks. But what about me, rt? Just gross

Only one group matters. We know.

And you wonder why there's so much lack of unity between races and ethnic groups? This right here. If you think that Jewish Americans occupy the same space in society and marginalization as African Americans in this country, you have been blinded by your white privilege.

When were black people shoved into ovens and gassed? And you cutely limited your tragedy Olympics to “this country,” but no one has suffered more than Jews, and many Jews here were descended from Holocaust survivors. And the way they overcame it all and succeeded through education, hard work and achievement is pretty amazing.

Hold up now. Black slaves were put on ships to vomit on each other, thrown overboard to drown, beat into submission, whipped in public, families sold in public at auction, removed from their families even when they were suppose to be free, had to carry papers, hung from trees, made to fight each other like pit bulls, raped, forced to carry to children that were the product of rape, put in hot boxes as punishment, not able to bathe while they worked in the fields, hosed, gunned down, shot on sight, etc. The list goes on and on. Also keeping in mind that 14 year old Emmet Till was the 40s, Ruby Bridges was the 60s, MLK was the late 60s.

Indeed. No one in this country has suffered more than African Americans and Native Americans. But no one in the world, over the course of human history, had suffered more than the Jews. Discriminated against, ghettoized, pogrom-ed...

Indeed.

People need to recognize that the word “ghetto” is Italian and came from the Venetian Ghetto—the walled-off part of the city where Jews were forced to live.

If we're going to discuss worldwide persecution, discrimination and suffering then black people are apart of that conversation and it continues today.

I never said we shouldn’t fight against racism.

Jewish groups have long been part of that fight as allies, and that continues today.

We’re simply asking for you to also fight against anti-Semitism. Why is that so hard for you to do?

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Anonymous wrote:What factors supported the achievement of Jews? I understand the factors that have put BIPOC people in a horrible spot, but what factors actively helped Jews, other than the skin color of most Ashenazi Jews?

That’s a pretty significant “other than”, at least in the US.

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If you think Jews feel enough discomfort among the majority (white) in this country, think about how other minorities go through life, walking outside, socializing, networking, etc. looking like a visible minority every day no matter their life choices (such as not changing names or not talking about certain aspects of their life like religion).

None of that helped us in 1930s Germany.

We aren't living in 1930s Germany. Pick a topic. Discrimination today in the USA, historical discrimination, or worldwide current/and historical discrimination?

Jews are the victims of the majority of anti-religious hate crimes in the USA today.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

And Jews have been fighting for ourselves for decades. Ever heard of the ADL? Probably not.

We have also fought alongside Black people as allies. Ever heard of Abraham Joshua Herschel? Probably not. Ever heard of the 600+ Jewish groups who signed a public letter vowing support to BLM? Probably not.

There are plenty of black people on these boards asking for allies. You don’t attack them as doing nothing.