Diversity, equity, inclusion but not for Jews?

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

+1. Black Americans are not sitting back and waiting for allies to jump in and save them — because for centuries they never have

Jews have been allies for black Americans for decades.

We aren’t waiting for anyone to save us — we’re asking for allies. That’s really it.

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Anonymous wrote:You're white passing in a country that is racist against non whites.

And yet we face rising numbers of hate crimes and are victims of the majority of religious-based hate crimes.

What’s your explanation?

I guess you better start organizing some marches and demanding legislative changes and stop waiting on others to do it for you.

You’re clearly unaware of the ADL and the many other organizations that have been fighting anti-Semitism for decades.

But we need allies.

Would you say the same thing to black people? Would you expect them to just do it themselves?

Black people are doing it for themselves. BLM was organized bc black people didn’t feel they mattered and didn’t feel people were helping them to fight. Why do you think Black panthers were formed?! Why do you think Harriet Tubman helped rescued slaves? Heard of the Civil Rights movement?! Black people don’t have the luxury to sit on a message board and complain about allies.

And Jews have been fighting for ourselves for decades. Ever heard of the ADL? Probably not.

We have also fought alongside Black people as allies. Ever heard of Abraham Joshua Herschel? Probably not. Ever heard of the 600+ Jewish groups who signed a public letter vowing support to BLM? Probably not.

There are plenty of black people on these boards asking for allies. You don’t attack them as doing nothing.

You have attacked and belittled everyone on this thread. And then claim you have no allies while also listing allies.

I haven’t done any of that on this thread.

Allies are a critical part of the fight for social justice. It’s clear none of you are interested in being allies for us. Fine. I’ll accept that.

You have and continue to do so. It’s for everyone to see.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not claiming that anti-Semitism doesn't exist in America or that it's not a problem. It is.

One of the biggest issues with Trump is that antisemitic groups found comfort in supporting him.

The issue is taking a national conversation about anti-Asian racism and violence and making it about you.

That's not helpful at the moment.

Our point is that we have never been able to benefit from allies. Our point is that there’s never the right time, apparently, to fight against anti-Semitism.

You need a reality check. You have allies but bc the current conversation is about the recent Atlanta killings (you know the one that happened Tuesday) doesn’t mean the conversation about anti semitism has stopped. Just that other groups would like their voices heard too. Why can’t you allow them to be heard?

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you have a CEO problem at your company.

My leader sent out an email after the Tree of Life synagogue shooting. There was a massive amount of media coverage. Gatherings and memorials in multiple cities.

This. Did your CEO send out a letter after 5 Muslims were murdered in Minnesota? Did they send out a letter after the Orlando nightclub murders?


It seems less about not acknowledging antisemitism, and more about not acknowledging religious discrimination or any other discrimination than race-based.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Despite how offsetting this troll poster may be, I'm trying to keep a level head about this.

The way that I see it US Jews are both the beneficiaries and victims of their own success in this country (and worldwide). At only 2% of the population, they are overrepresented in nearly every sphere and had made themselves a political, professional and economic force to be reckoned with. That same success has made them very visible scapegoats for certain groups and only added fuel to antisemetic tropes regarding Jews that we hear so much.

While Jews are largely white and may seemingly rub shoulder to shoulder with the privileged sect they still do not enjoy the same levels of security that Anglo whites do. Jewish Americans worry about their safety and security at their places of worship. They are scared to send their kids to schools. And they live in constant fear that their history will repeat itself. All valid fears.

If history has taught us anything, though, it is that the masses do not rally behind those who are perceived as wealthy and privileged.

So Jewish Americans are in a difficult spot. They are not economically or educationally disadvantaged like other ethnic groups but do fear persecution. The "ask" for Jews is much harder in that there are no concrete educational funds to donate to, groups to create scholarships or hiring programs, jobs training, etc. For Jews, the request is only that people don't terrorize them. While a simple one, it's a difficult conversation because they're not asking for donations or volunteers - just education.

All that said, for other minorities it is hard to swallow the line about being the "most persecuted minority" - particularly when your group is suffering so much now. I mean, when your family members are unemployed, shot, lacking education, or in need of health care, you don't care about what happened to another group 100 or more years ago. You care about today.

I don't know what the answer is. I do know that Jews are the most philanthropic group in America today. I think I saw that 67% of Jews donate actively to non-profits. What that tells me is that most US Jews are quite aware of the suffering of others and do actively contribute to other causes. Just putting that out there in case anything on this board would lead anyone to believe otherwise.

And we continue to suffer from the majority of anti-religious hate crimes.

Many posters on this thread seem to want to ignore this fact.

No.

Many posters want to give Asians a voice to be heard since hate crimes against them are rising quickly. Especially since there was a horrific shooting that happened just last week. Maybe you missed that shooting in your desperate attempt to switch the convo to yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Despite how offsetting this troll poster may be, I'm trying to keep a level head about this.

The way that I see it US Jews are both the beneficiaries and victims of their own success in this country (and worldwide). At only 2% of the population, they are overrepresented in nearly every sphere and had made themselves a political, professional and economic force to be reckoned with. That same success has made them very visible scapegoats for certain groups and only added fuel to antisemetic tropes regarding Jews that we hear so much.

While Jews are largely white and may seemingly rub shoulder to shoulder with the privileged sect they still do not enjoy the same levels of security that Anglo whites do. Jewish Americans worry about their safety and security at their places of worship. They are scared to send their kids to schools. And they live in constant fear that their history will repeat itself. All valid fears.

If history has taught us anything, though, it is that the masses do not rally behind those who are perceived as wealthy and privileged.

So Jewish Americans are in a difficult spot. They are not economically or educationally disadvantaged like other ethnic groups but do fear persecution. The "ask" for Jews is much harder in that there are no concrete educational funds to donate to, groups to create scholarships or hiring programs, jobs training, etc. For Jews, the request is only that people don't terrorize them. While a simple one, it's a difficult conversation because they're not asking for donations or volunteers - just education.

All that said, for other minorities it is hard to swallow the line about being the "most persecuted minority" - particularly when your group is suffering so much now. I mean, when your family members are unemployed, shot, lacking education, or in need of health care, you don't care about what happened to another group 100 or more years ago. You care about today.

I don't know what the answer is. I do know that Jews are the most philanthropic group in America today. I think I saw that 67% of Jews donate actively to non-profits. What that tells me is that most US Jews are quite aware of the suffering of others and do actively contribute to other causes. Just putting that out there in case anything on this board would lead anyone to believe otherwise.

And we continue to suffer from the majority of anti-religious hate crimes.

Many posters on this thread seem to want to ignore this fact.

I don't think people want to ignore that at all. It is well documented that anti-semitic crime is through the roof. However, when people evaluate their time and resources they want to donate to the causes that may seem the most urgent and in need. The plight of African Americans (and Latino migrants at the border, e.g) is seen as more urgent, more dire. It does not mean that Jews are not persecuted but that we must do something NOW to eliminate police brutality, share economic opportunities, address criminal reform and the litany of other issues that afflict AAs and oppressed minorities.

Jews are not forgotten. But other groups right now are not quite as well positioned overall.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

No, it's not right. But you are not alone in having a security presence at your house of worship. My Muslim friend has this at her mosque. My parent's church ( a historically black church) has had security for ages and it was increased after Dylan Roof. It's not right that are children have to go to school with metal detectors and security officers, but this is where we are in America.

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Anonymous wrote:Not Jewish but the sentiment I always got is that Jewish people 'blend' into the greater white demographic. Unless its a synagogue attacked you don't hear about people being discriminated against in hiring practices or home buying or on the streets because they're Jewish. No one knows you're Jewish.

We blend in because we’ve gotten good at hiding our Jewish identity. That’s out of necessity.

+1. Not an option for many other minority groups.

A lot of people -- Jews and non-Jews -- don't realize how much anti-Semitism and discrimination there was in this country right up to the 80s or so. In the 50s, there were absolutely prohibitions against Jews swimming in certain pools, buying in certain areas, attending certain schools -- the Ivies had Jew quotas. Somewhere after the late 60s we became accepted as "white" and "blending into the greater white demographic." I was born in 1980 and basically grew up not experiencing any direct anti-Semitism. My parents and grandparents all have stories of being asked about horns or being called "dirty Jew" or being asked if they were really good with money. I don't.

I know it’s not an option for other groups, but that doesn’t mean we are able to blend in without problems. I posted the stats above of anti-Semitic hate crimes; they are very scary.

I was told that I killed Jesus when I was 7. I’ve been told I’m going to hell so many times.

I’ve gotten used to my synagogue having security presence. It’s not ok that we need to do that to stay safe while we pray.

No, it's not right. But you are not alone in having a security presence at your house of worship. My Muslim friend has this at her mosque. My parent's church ( a historically black church) has had security for ages and it was increased after Dylan Roof. It's not right that are children have to go to school with metal detectors and security officers, but this is where we are in America.

True. Our public schools are full of metal detectors and police officers. Allegedly to protect from gun violence, those officers now serve to terrorize AA students. Society is in a terrible place.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not claiming that anti-Semitism doesn't exist in America or that it's not a problem. It is.

One of the biggest issues with Trump is that antisemitic groups found comfort in supporting him.

The issue is taking a national conversation about anti-Asian racism and violence and making it about you.

That's not helpful at the moment.

Our point is that we have never been able to benefit from allies. Our point is that there’s never the right time, apparently, to fight against anti-Semitism.

You need a reality check. You have allies but bc the current conversation is about the recent Atlanta killings (you know the one that happened Tuesday) doesn’t mean the conversation about anti semitism has stopped. Just that other groups would like their voices heard too. Why can’t you allow them to be heard?

Jewish groups have come out strongly as allies to Asians at this time, just as we are allies to Black people.

We have been experiencing rising anti-Semitism for the past 5 years and have never been afforded allyship.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is unbelievable and shows that anti-semitism is alive and well.

This thread is largely not antisemitic. In the aftermath of a horrific attack against Asians, it is not the time to discuss aggressions against Jews. The equivalent would have been for Asians to want to shift the National conversation towards anti-Asian racism abd problems being the model minority immediately after the Tree of Life massacre. When people are getting murdered because of their race, the decent human reaction is to show support — not ask, “what about me? There was graffiti at my synagogue a few months ago, why is nobody writing about that in the days after 8 Asian women are murdered? Don’t I matter?”

In short, if you want allies, try being an ally too.

When is the right time?

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I think what the Jewish posters on this thread are trying to say is that there never seems to be a “right time.” The Tree of Life shootings and the rising anti-Semitic hates crimes since 2015 have not translated into the left showing Jews allyship, despite Jews being allies to Black Americans, Asian Americans, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why people continue to engage with this poster who won’t listen to reason and likely suffers from some form of mental illness.

You’re right. That poster also keeps saying they have no allies.

Can you provide evidence that Jews do have allies on the left? This thread seems to basically be posters saying, “we don’t have time for you.”

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is unbelievable and shows that anti-semitism is alive and well.

This thread is largely not antisemitic. In the aftermath of a horrific attack against Asians, it is not the time to discuss aggressions against Jews. The equivalent would have been for Asians to want to shift the National conversation towards anti-Asian racism abd problems being the model minority immediately after the Tree of Life massacre. When people are getting murdered because of their race, the decent human reaction is to show support — not ask, “what about me? There was graffiti at my synagogue a few months ago, why is nobody writing about that in the days after 8 Asian women are murdered? Don’t I matter?”

In short, if you want allies, try being an ally too.

When is the right time?

Last week?

Maybe in a month or so?

Do you really need this spelled out for you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is unbelievable and shows that anti-semitism is alive and well.

This thread is largely not antisemitic. In the aftermath of a horrific attack against Asians, it is not the time to discuss aggressions against Jews. The equivalent would have been for Asians to want to shift the National conversation towards anti-Asian racism abd problems being the model minority immediately after the Tree of Life massacre. When people are getting murdered because of their race, the decent human reaction is to show support — not ask, “what about me? There was graffiti at my synagogue a few months ago, why is nobody writing about that in the days after 8 Asian women are murdered? Don’t I matter?”

In short, if you want allies, try being an ally too.

When is the right time?

Last week?

Maybe in a month or so?

Do you really need this spelled out for you?

We’ve been fighting in lock step with BLM since 2015, consistent with our decades-long support for the civil rights movement. We’ve been fighting for undocumented immigrants for decades. We came out in strong support for fighting anti-Asian hate.

We’re simply asking that at some point, amid the years of rising anti-Semitism in this country, that folks show us a bit of allyship.

That’s all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is unbelievable and shows that anti-semitism is alive and well.

This thread is largely not antisemitic. In the aftermath of a horrific attack against Asians, it is not the time to discuss aggressions against Jews. The equivalent would have been for Asians to want to shift the National conversation towards anti-Asian racism abd problems being the model minority immediately after the Tree of Life massacre. When people are getting murdered because of their race, the decent human reaction is to show support — not ask, “what about me? There was graffiti at my synagogue a few months ago, why is nobody writing about that in the days after 8 Asian women are murdered? Don’t I matter?”

In short, if you want allies, try being an ally too.

When is the right time?

How about not immediately after the massacre of 8 Asian American women?