Breonna Taylor: Grand Jury

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

But alas she wasn't perfect enough to instigate change.
So again I ask...
What if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
Is there any particular number that have to die before it becomes apparent that changes need to be made?

I think change is happening. Police reform is occurring. But that doesn’t mean we must crucify a cop who fired back after being shot at.

[Anonymous]

I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

But alas she wasn't perfect enough to instigate change.
So again I ask...
What if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
Is there any particular number that have to die before it becomes apparent that changes need to be made?

There will never be a perfect case. They've been moving the goalposts on us for 400 years. There will ALWAYS be a new excuse for a lack of equality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

But alas she wasn't perfect enough to instigate change.
So again I ask...
What if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
Is there any particular number that have to die before it becomes apparent that changes need to be made?

There will never be a perfect case. They've been moving the goalposts on us for 400 years. There will ALWAYS be a new excuse for a lack of equality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/police-shootings-women/

Most fatal police shootings of women are not black.

There’s the media, then there’s the data.

I believe structural racism exists and the justice system isn’t real “just.” But I also believe the criminal element is ensconced in violence, and guns prompt lethal force.

employees.

You never took a statistics class? Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the data? It means nothing to compare gross numbers that way. You have to account for differences in population size.

From your own source:

"Black women, who are 13 percent of the female population, account for 20 percent of the women shot and killed and 28 percent of the unarmed deaths."

That discrepancy is the big problem. Aside from the issue of police killing unarmed citizens in general, which is also a problem. There can be more than one thing wrong at a time.

Agreed.

But you haven’t layered the other important data in your analysis: poverty and crime. With that data, odds are significantly increased for black people to be involved with police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

But alas she wasn't perfect enough to instigate change.
So again I ask...
What if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
Is there any particular number that have to die before it becomes apparent that changes need to be made?

I think change is happening. Police reform is occurring. But that doesn’t mean we must crucify a cop who fired back after being shot at.

How many Blacks have to “take one for the team”?
Unjustifiably and unnecessary snuffed out by overzealous and poorly trained officers with colleagues and supervisors who coddle them and cover for them instead of having these men being held accountable?
At some point one of these cops is gonna have to return the favor and “take one for the team” too.
The crucifixions cannot continue to be one-sided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

She was shot in the hallway of her individual apartment unit, near the entrance to her bedroom.

Her boyfriend - not the ex-boyfriend who was a criminal - fired first because he was standing his ground in what he thought was a home invasion.

Please note: the boyfriend who shot a police officer in the leg was not charged with any crime. He was legally allowed to fire upon the officer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/police-shootings-women/

Most fatal police shootings of women are not black.

There’s the media, then there’s the data.

I believe structural racism exists and the justice system isn’t real “just.” But I also believe the criminal element is ensconced in violence, and guns prompt lethal force.

employees.

You never took a statistics class? Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the data? It means nothing to compare gross numbers that way. You have to account for differences in population size.

From your own source:

"Black women, who are 13 percent of the female population, account for 20 percent of the women shot and killed and 28 percent of the unarmed deaths."

That discrepancy is the big problem. Aside from the issue of police killing unarmed citizens in general, which is also a problem. There can be more than one thing wrong at a time.

Agreed.

But you haven’t layered the other important data in your analysis: poverty and crime. With that data, odds are significantly increased for black people to be involved with police.

All of which are problems! You can't remove race from this, hard as you may try. Black people are mire likely to be poor, less educated, and live in higher-crime areas for reasons. Race is woven into all of this.

[Anonymous]

State AG married Mitch’s granddaughter and didn’t prosecute because he is a sellout

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

She was shot in the hallway of her individual apartment unit, near the entrance to her bedroom.

Her boyfriend - not the ex-boyfriend who was a criminal - fired first because he was standing his ground in what he thought was a home invasion.

Please note: the boyfriend who shot a police officer in the leg was not charged with any crime. He was legally allowed to fire upon the officer.

Understood re: the new BF vs the old BF, and the first shots being fired in self-defense.

A lot of confusion.

This could have been handled dramatically better.

But I also understand how she was accidentally shot in the hallway (not her bed like a pp said) alongside her BF who shot first (understandably given the confusion).

I don’t see this as racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

She was shot in the hallway of her individual apartment unit, near the entrance to her bedroom.

Her boyfriend - not the ex-boyfriend who was a criminal - fired first because he was standing his ground in what he thought was a home invasion.

Please note: the boyfriend who shot a police officer in the leg was not charged with any crime. He was legally allowed to fire upon the officer.

Understood re: the new BF vs the old BF, and the first shots being fired in self-defense.

A lot of confusion.

This could have been handled dramatically better.

But I also understand how she was accidentally shot in the hallway (not her bed like a pp said) alongside her BF who shot first (understandably given the confusion).

I don’t see this as racism.

OK, even if it isn't racism do you think it is OK? I certainly don't and that is part of what protesters are fighting about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/police-shootings-women/

Most fatal police shootings of women are not black.

There’s the media, then there’s the data.

I believe structural racism exists and the justice system isn’t real “just.” But I also believe the criminal element is ensconced in violence, and guns prompt lethal force.

employees.

You never took a statistics class? Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the data? It means nothing to compare gross numbers that way. You have to account for differences in population size.

From your own source:

"Black women, who are 13 percent of the female population, account for 20 percent of the women shot and killed and 28 percent of the unarmed deaths."

That discrepancy is the big problem. Aside from the issue of police killing unarmed citizens in general, which is also a problem. There can be more than one thing wrong at a time.

Agreed.

But you haven’t layered the other important data in your analysis: poverty and crime. With that data, odds are significantly increased for black people to be involved with police.

All of which are problems! You can't remove race from this, hard as you may try. Black people are mire likely to be poor, less educated, and live in higher-crime areas for reasons. Race is woven into all of this.

Um, yes...I know. But do you realize how the total data explains the WaPo data? These aren’t random women getting shot; they are mired in criminal connections. That data matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

1) The history of this country shows that black suspects are treated differently than white ones. Her ex-BF was black. If he has been white would the police have been serving a no-knock warrant? What basis did the police have that made them think that this level of force was necessary?

2) If she has been white and killed in this manner it is unlikely that the cops would have been charged. I am not OK with that, are you? The racism part is only part of it- the protests absolutely are about race-based policing but also against unnecessary violence by police officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While the death of Ms. Taylor is tragic and there is no way to bring her back, the outcome so far is actually a huge victory for the police reform movement.

1. An officer was charged with a felony (search The Washington Post database and you will see this is rare).
2. The family received a $12 million settlement.
3. Charges against the boyfriend for shooting the police officer were dropped.
4. There is bipartisan support in the United States Senate for ending no-knock warrants
5. The city of Louisville also is enacting some policing reforms

A grand jury has looked at all the facts and determined that charges are not warranted against the other officers. The system worked about as well as it could.

Most accurate summation of events.

Why aren't the leaders of the social justice movement taking credit for everything they accomplished? Six years ago, none of the things listed above would have happened. Change takes time. Sure, there is more work to be done but it will be hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?



Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Exactly, I've been on the receiving end of a no knock warrant and I'm white. They wanted my roommate but I was still cuffed for the four hours they were there.