Breonna Taylor: Grand Jury

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Research shows that basically every phase of the American criminal justice system (who is arrested, who is charged, what they're charged with, who's released pre-trial, who's convicted, what sentences they receive), why would issuing warrants be any different? Here's a recent study if you're unfamiliar with the evidence (http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Research shows that basically every phase of the American criminal justice system (who is arrested, who is charged, what they're charged with, who's released pre-trial, who's convicted, what sentences they receive), why would issuing warrants be any different? Here's a recent study if you're unfamiliar with the evidence (http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf)

I’m actually very familiar with the data.

But I’m also not blind to the fact that if police are confronted by an armed man firing at them when executing a warrant, the police will return fire.

Do you really think this would have been different with white people? That’s nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another sad day.
America continues to be broken and soulless.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/23/us/breonna-taylor-attorney-general-grand-jury-announcement/index.html

Why is sad? You wanted justice, you're getting it. It's just not what the mob wanted.

F888888ccc****** Off!

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/police-shootings-women/

Most fatal police shootings of women are not black.

There’s the media, then there’s the data.

I believe structural racism exists and the justice system isn’t real “just.” But I also believe the criminal element is ensconced in violence, and guns prompt lethal force.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Research shows that basically every phase of the American criminal justice system (who is arrested, who is charged, what they're charged with, who's released pre-trial, who's convicted, what sentences they receive), why would issuing warrants be any different? Here's a recent study if you're unfamiliar with the evidence (http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf)

I’m actually very familiar with the data.

But I’m also not blind to the fact that if police are confronted by an armed man firing at them when executing a warrant, the police will return fire.

Do you really think this would have been different with white people? That’s nuts.

In other words, I can't argue your facts, but I'm going to dig in and double down to justify this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not similar cases, at all. This is a nonsense comparison

Not only is it a nonsense comparison, it's insulting to Till's legacy.

This completely marginalizes the severity of the Till case. First of all he was a child, second, he did absolutely nothing wrong, third he was tortured to death for the color of his skin. True racism. Taylor's case was not about race. The police didn't go in there saying hey we're going to kill a black lady tonight, let's go! The police were shot at, they shot back. A tragedy, yes but not more than that. Save the racism comparisons to actual racism.

You have a flimsy understanding of racism. Racism is not limited to situations when someone literally says let's go kill a black person. Our government systems are borne out of that type of "true racism" which is why they continue to produce the same results despite the officers not actively seeking out a black woman to kill. In order to stop producing the same results of "true racism" despite not being racist, we have to first acknowledge the role that race plays in the systems, and fix them.

If we don't, black people will continue to die at the hands of police, face no consequences, and people like you will hand wave it away like she was no better than some trash under your feet, while also screeching about property damage. And our country will continue to fall apart at the seams.

There's a reason that all of these things are coming to head at once. America's original sin is greed, fed with individualism, entitlement, and racism. We've ignored the problems for hundreds of years and now the chickens have come home to roost. The only way to stop the collapse is to finally address the root causes.

News flash: greed, individualism, and entitlement are the basis of a criminal mind.

When are we going to address the root cause that is criminality?

Why do people keep insisting on making criminals the victim? Why are people ONLY targeting the racism part in their narrative? Why aren't you simultaneously calling for a cease in criminal activity?

I'm sorry, what crime was she committing when they murdered her in her home in the middle of the night? And for whatever crime you come up with, is the penalty for that typically summary execution?

But I do agree with your point that greed, individualism, and entitlement form the basis of a criminal mind. Our country was founded by a bunch of 'em.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Research shows that basically every phase of the American criminal justice system (who is arrested, who is charged, what they're charged with, who's released pre-trial, who's convicted, what sentences they receive), why would issuing warrants be any different? Here's a recent study if you're unfamiliar with the evidence (http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf)

I’m actually very familiar with the data.

But I’m also not blind to the fact that if police are confronted by an armed man firing at them when executing a warrant, the police will return fire.

Do you really think this would have been different with white people? That’s nuts.

In other words, I can't argue your facts, but I'm going to dig in and double down to justify this.

I’m not sure what facts you’re arguing?

Do you really think the cops would not have returned fire if the shooter was white? That’s what I’m talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

But alas she wasn't perfect enough to instigate change.
So again I ask...
What if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
Is there any particular number that have to die before it becomes apparent that changes need to be made?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/police-shootings-women/

Most fatal police shootings of women are not black.

There’s the media, then there’s the data.

I believe structural racism exists and the justice system isn’t real “just.” But I also believe the criminal element is ensconced in violence, and guns prompt lethal force.

employees.

You never took a statistics class? Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the data? It means nothing to compare gross numbers that way. You have to account for differences in population size.

From your own source:

"Black women, who are 13 percent of the female population, account for 20 percent of the women shot and killed and 28 percent of the unarmed deaths."

That discrepancy is the big problem. Aside from the issue of police killing unarmed citizens in general, which is also a problem. There can be more than one thing wrong at a time.