Breonna Taylor: Grand Jury

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Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

She was shot in the hallway of her individual apartment unit, near the entrance to her bedroom.

Her boyfriend - not the ex-boyfriend who was a criminal - fired first because he was standing his ground in what he thought was a home invasion.

Please note: the boyfriend who shot a police officer in the leg was not charged with any crime. He was legally allowed to fire upon the officer.

Understood re: the new BF vs the old BF, and the first shots being fired in self-defense.

A lot of confusion.

This could have been handled dramatically better.

But I also understand how she was accidentally shot in the hallway (not her bed like a pp said) alongside her BF who shot first (understandably given the confusion).

I don’t see this as racism.

This is why having a gun is not always a good thing and can be scary. If the bf did not have a gun, perhaps she would be alive. He justifiably fired b/c he thought it was an invasion, but of course the police thought he was firing at them. Just a tragedy all around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Research shows that basically every phase of the American criminal justice system (who is arrested, who is charged, what they're charged with, who's released pre-trial, who's convicted, what sentences they receive), why would issuing warrants be any different? Here's a recent study if you're unfamiliar with the evidence (http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf)

I’m actually very familiar with the data.

But I’m also not blind to the fact that if police are confronted by an armed man firing at them when executing a warrant, the police will return fire.

Do you really think this would have been different with white people? That’s nuts.

It would have been the same response, race really wasn't a factor. Except with the media and those manufacturing an agenda.

I don't agree with those warrants and using a battering ram through the front door. They should wait till the suspect leaves the home to do the arrest. Hopefully those tactics will change. However, I do believe they announced themselves loudly as proclaimed, and this guy shot knowing he was shooting at cops. Once he shot the guy in the leg they were justified. In this particular case I don't think any cops should go to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:Another sad day.
America continues to be broken and soulless.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/23/us/breonna-taylor-attorney-general-grand-jury-announcement/index.html

Why is sad? You wanted justice, you're getting it. It's just not what the mob wanted.

F888888ccc****** Off!

Looks like the mob responded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Research shows that basically every phase of the American criminal justice system (who is arrested, who is charged, what they're charged with, who's released pre-trial, who's convicted, what sentences they receive), why would issuing warrants be any different? Here's a recent study if you're unfamiliar with the evidence (http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf)

I’m actually very familiar with the data.

But I’m also not blind to the fact that if police are confronted by an armed man firing at them when executing a warrant, the police will return fire.

Do you really think this would have been different with white people? That’s nuts.

It would have been the same response, race really wasn't a factor. Except with the media and those manufacturing an agenda.

I don't agree with those warrants and using a battering ram through the front door. They should wait till the suspect leaves the home to do the arrest. Hopefully those tactics will change. However, I do believe they announced themselves loudly as proclaimed, and this guy shot knowing he was shooting at cops. Once he shot the guy in the leg they were justified. In this particular case I don't think any cops should go to jail.

I feel like this all could have been avoided if handled differently. But my husband reminded me of the time the rental house on our street was raided at 4am by SWAT with what looked like armored vehicles and dozens of police in special uniforms with big guns drawn.

We got a robocall on our home phone (dating myself here...probably 2003 or 2004) directing us to stay inside away from windows due to a police incident on our street. We immediately looked outside and saw the police assembling before ramming down the door.

It was a rental with young people. The primary renters were white Brazilians. They were obviously dealing drugs out of the house. A few weeks prior to the raid, I was playing in the front yard with my toddler and chatting with an elderly neighbor who stopped by during her walk when two young guys who had parked farther down the street approached the house. I noticed one guy adjusting his waist and saw a gun. That confirmed our suspicions.

They took everyone out of the house in handcuffs. No shots fired. They left a young mom and toddler behind.

The whole scene was shocking. And I suppose it could have gone very differently if someone pulled a gun.

This was MoCo btw. 20906.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

It is racist because any negative action on person of color is always presumed by them to be because of their color.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Couldn't agree more, but this is not the case to make the point.

And what if it takes several years before the perfect case comes along?
What if dozens each year die before the Perfect Black Citizen Unjustifiably Murdered By Police makes headlines?
Do people have to just accept getting choked out and shot in the back and killed sleeping in their own bed by the police in the meantime and bid their time until a sweet Rosa Parks type gets murdered to provide justification for reform?

Oh and FYI: Rosa Parks was chosen to refuse to sit in the back of the bus to spark civil rights reform in that era.
How exactly are Blacks supposed to chose who gets killed by the police with regard to pushing for reform in policing?

I thought the grand jury details indicate she was shot in the hallway, not in bed? And she was shot after her BF opened fire on the cops?

She was shot in the hallway of her individual apartment unit, near the entrance to her bedroom.

Her boyfriend - not the ex-boyfriend who was a criminal - fired first because he was standing his ground in what he thought was a home invasion.

Please note: the boyfriend who shot a police officer in the leg was not charged with any crime. He was legally allowed to fire upon the officer.

The boyfriend was arrested few weeks later after the shooting and charged with unrelated possession with intent to distribute controlled substance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

And therein lies the discrepancy.
There are many who believe there are two separate justice systems for black offenders and white offenders.
There are many who believe there are two separate systems for engagement for black offenders and white offenders.
The current systems are only a slightly abridged versions of their racist origins - as a matter of fact police forces first came about as slave patrols tasked with chasing down runaways and preventing slave revolts.
These racial inequalities in our justice system and in law enforcement are long past overdue for a good old fashioned overhaul.

Then why black people like Breonna and her boyfriend, instead of dealing the drugs, sign up and work for a decade on police force to be a change?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I am an American. My parents were immigrants. I grieve every single life lost needlessly. We all should. Let’s stop the systemic racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

They have recordings of her talking to ex boyfriend from jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When people make better life choices, they don't end up like Miss Breonna Taylor. She got too close to the fire one too many times.

This.

[Anonymous]

Where exactly is the evidence of a “no knock warrant”?

A neighbor testified he heard the police knocking for five minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am truly not understanding how this is a racist incident on behalf of the cops. If they shot through a wall in response to being shot at and unfortunately hit someone, that is an awful tragedy this woman lost her life but I don't see how it's racist. Someone please enlighten me.

It is racist because any negative action on person of color is always presumed by them to be because of their color.

This incident is just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Murkey and not as well-defined as Ahmed Aubrey or George Floyd. But after so.many.innocent.people.died people just can’t take it anymore. If your every day thought is “I can’t even be safe in my own home” life is really rough. So Breonna Taylor, shot in her apartment because her boyfriend didn’t hear the police, Ahmed Aubrey, killed for being black and autistic waiting for the library to open, George Floyd, killed for being a petty criminal, the 12 yo kid a few years ago, killed for playing in the park with a toy gun. It just goes on and on and then people break. Is the Breonna Taylor case cut and dried racism? Murky. But is it tinder to community anger, sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where exactly is the evidence of a “no knock warrant”?

A neighbor testified he heard the police knocking for five minutes.

Um, no. Police would never knock for five minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Breonna Taylor were white, charges would've filed in her death. Black or white, we all know that. That's the crux of the issue.

I would like to add this footnote:

The police had been investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor’s home.
But a judge signed a warrant allowing the police to search Breonna's residence because the police believed that one of the men had used her apartment to receive packages.
Breonna had been dating that man on and off for several years but had recently severed ties with him.

SO...

If the two guys that the cops were investigating were white, they never even would have sought a no-knock warrant to begin with.
Let that soak in for a second.

Um, what?

Because white guys don’t deal drugs? They do.

Or, because you think the judge has a different approach to warrants for white drug dealers? Nonsense.

Research shows that basically every phase of the American criminal justice system (who is arrested, who is charged, what they're charged with, who's released pre-trial, who's convicted, what sentences they receive), why would issuing warrants be any different? Here's a recent study if you're unfamiliar with the evidence (http://cjpp.law.harvard.edu/assets/Massachusetts-Racial-Disparity-Report-FINAL.pdf)

I’m actually very familiar with the data.

But I’m also not blind to the fact that if police are confronted by an armed man firing at them when executing a warrant, the police will return fire.

Do you really think this would have been different with white people? That’s nuts.

It would have been the same response, race really wasn't a factor. Except with the media and those manufacturing an agenda.

I don't agree with those warrants and using a battering ram through the front door. They should wait till the suspect leaves the home to do the arrest. Hopefully those tactics will change. However, I do believe they announced themselves loudly as proclaimed, and this guy shot knowing he was shooting at cops. Once he shot the guy in the leg they were justified. In this particular case I don't think any cops should go to jail.

I feel like this all could have been avoided if handled differently. But my husband reminded me of the time the rental house on our street was raided at 4am by SWAT with what looked like armored vehicles and dozens of police in special uniforms with big guns drawn.

We got a robocall on our home phone (dating myself here...probably 2003 or 2004) directing us to stay inside away from windows due to a police incident on our street. We immediately looked outside and saw the police assembling before ramming down the door.

It was a rental with young people. The primary renters were white Brazilians. They were obviously dealing drugs out of the house. A few weeks prior to the raid, I was playing in the front yard with my toddler and chatting with an elderly neighbor who stopped by during her walk when two young guys who had parked farther down the street approached the house. I noticed one guy adjusting his waist and saw a gun. That confirmed our suspicions.

They took everyone out of the house in handcuffs. No shots fired. They left a young mom and toddler behind.

The whole scene was shocking. And I suppose it could have gone very differently if someone pulled a gun.

This was MoCo btw. 20906.

A Maryland man who was shot and killed by police was armed with a rifle and ignored commands to show his hands and get on the ground when officers entered his home, police said Tuesday.

The Montgomery County Police Department’s statement on an officer’s fatal shooting of 21-year-old Duncan Socrates Lemp contradicts an eyewitness account cited by an attorney for Lemp’s family. The eyewitness said Lemp was asleep in his bedroom when police opened fire from outside his house in Potomac, Maryland, a suburb of Washington D.C., the family’s attorney, Rene Sandler, said last Friday.

Police disputed that account. The department says tactical unit officers who entered Lemp’s home around 4:30 a.m. last Thursday to serve a search warrant announced themselves as police and gave Lemp “multiple orders” to show his hands and comply with commands to get on the ground.


https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2020/03/police-man-shot-by-officer-had-rifle-ignored-commands/